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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise : I agree those modules are fine...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 12:09pm<br /><br />I agree those modules are fine power wise. At 150 watts you're running at about 75% of nominal rated power. The 200 watt rating is under full sun at 25C (77F) module temperature (aka STC = Standard Test Conditions). PV modules drop off in voltage by about 0.4% per degree C, and heat up by about 25-30C under full sun. So lets's say its 85F (about 30C) where you are then your module will be at about 60C and will lose about 14-15%. Then you'll have additional losses from the PWM cointroller from not runningy the module at max power point like an MPPT would. Then you have a little wiring loss and as its East Coast summer some haze and humidity so you're not at full sun. Overall I'd say you're right about where you should be.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Sorry about not being able to convert to an MPPT for those modules, but maybe you'll make up for it a bit when're camping in partial shade someday.&nbsp;<img src="https://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise : +1. I also appreciate the information...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 12:03pm<br /><br />+1. I also appreciate the information I have learned here. I had not thought about 6V vs. 12V panels. I bought the 100W kit with the assumption that I would be using it as a set since that is the way it is made. I had not thought about adding any additional panels.]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise :  Thanks offgrid!! I am learning...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 11:20am<br /><br />Thanks offgrid!! I am learning a lot. Prolly should have studied more before I jumped into this...Oh well...money under the bridge. I am having fun with it. In fact, I did order another panel - from HQST. Looks like the exact same panel Renogy sells for $40.00 more. Will Prowse did a good side by side comparison. I bought it because the dimensions are perfect for want I want to use it for (TV roof rack).<div><br></div><div>Back to my suitcase...It's really not all bad news. These panels really do perform.</div><div><br></div><div><div>I just did a load test with a 331 watt AC load (wife's hair dryer) via 1500 watt inverter. Battery bank is two one year old 220ah GCs fully charged. Midday sun and panels 12 feet from PWM controller w/ 10 AWG. Panels had no problem keeping up with the load pumping in as much as 11.8 A @ 150+ watts. After ten minutes or so battery voltage measured @ inside panel leveled out @ 12.3v. So, I would say they certainly performed within spec.</div><div><br></div><div>My beef is I wanted to get the panels further away from controller without using humongous wire so I planned on buying a MPPT controller and 100 watt series connected 12v panels (which I thought these were). I cannot do that with these panels. Really, that's my only beef. (besides spending much more money than I really needed to)</div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the education! Still learning!</div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1647.jpeg" height="450" width="600" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1648.jpeg" height="450" width="600" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1652.jpeg" height="450" width="600" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise : Ok, these are SunPower back contact...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 10:38am<br /><br />Ok, these are SunPower back contact cells (meaning that both the cell + and - connections are on the backs of the cells. Makes it hard to tell how they're interconnected. We can only surmise bv your electrical measurements that they are 16S x 2P for a nominal 6V 100 watt module.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Yes I was deliberately vague about how paralleling cells can reduce shading impacts, because its a little complicated. What happens is that if you have a long string of cells in series, shading one cell can block current flow through all the other cells in that string. So, imagine a leaf that covers one cell, that can take out the whole module, or more than one module in a higher voltage system. That's what bypass diodes are for (the devices in the photos of the module jboxes). They allow current to bypass around shaded cells or groups of cells.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>By placing the cells in parallel you reduce the impact of shading individual cells, because the cells can share current between them. This works especially well if the parallel cells aren't directly next to each other so it becomes less likely to shade both of them at once. There are drawbacks too, the currents are higher so the bypass diodes (the devices in the photos of the module junction boxes) have to be larger.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>That's probably enough solar 202 (you already passed 101!) unless you really want more. Sorry you can't do the MPPT controller and use a lighter gauge wire. But, at least you are getting a reasonable output from your system. To answer your original question personally don't use Renogy stuff because I think its overpriced for what you get. If the size works for you, the best deals in solar are going to be standard 60 or 72&nbsp; 6 inch cell residential or industrial modules. with an MPPT to take that down to 12V. Often those can be had from CL or Ebay for less than 50 cents a watt.&nbsp;</div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise :  Originally posted by offgridBut...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 7:58am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by offgrid</strong></em><br /><br /><div>But yes, if you wanted to reconfigure the two modules in series to reduce voltage drop and then step the voltage down with an MPPT you will be disappointed.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>This was whole whole point of me bringing this up in the first place. Thank you.</div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise :  Some additional pics...  </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 7:47am<br /><br />Some additional pics...<div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1644.jpeg" height="900" width="1200" border="0" /><br><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1643.jpeg" height="900" width="1200" border="0" /><br><div><br></div></div></div>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise :    Originally posted by offgridThey...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 7:28am<br /><br /><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by offgrid</strong></em><br /><br />They feel that parallel cell connections help mitigate shading issues (they can)?</td></tr></table> <br></div><div>What meant by "they can." or "they can?"? The sentence is a bit ambiguous. Please clarify how that works. I have the 100W setup, so mine is 32 cells. 32x3=96 watts, which rounds to 100. I am guessing from what you wrote that my modules are also 6V nominal and the two panels connected in series would make the kit 12V. Am I correct in my understanding?<br></div>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise :  Good catch on the cell size! ...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7667" rel="nofollow">Olddawgsrule</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 7:14am<br /><br />Good catch on the cell size!&nbsp;<div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2020 07:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise : You are certainly getting a typical...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 7:02am<br /><br />You are certainly getting a typical battery charging output for a nominal 200 watt solar array, so that's good. Also, those look to be 5 inch cells which are typically about 3 watts each, so 64 x 3 = 192 walls.<div><br></div><div>And, your two modules certainly appear to be connected in series, so that would imply that the modules are 6V nominal. Voc (open circuit voltge) of the cells should be around 0.6V so your 10V per module measurement would imply that there is a 16S by 2P&nbsp; series/parallel cell configuration internal to the modules.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Can you take&nbsp; a photo of the front of one of the modules and post it? It should be possible to trace the internal cell connections if the resolution is good enough.<div><br></div><div>But yes, if you wanted to reconfigure the two modules in series to reduce voltage drop and then step the voltage down with an MPPT you will be disappointed. I can only speculate why Renogy would do that. They want to be able to supply modules for 6V applications also and are trying to keep their parts count low? They feel that parallel cell connections help mitigate shading issues (they can)?&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise :  I am theorizing the two 32 cell...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 6:45am<br /><br />I am theorizing the two 32 cell 100 watt panels are made up of two 50 watt 16 cell units in parallel - which may help explain the label.]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise :   Originally posted by Olddawgsrulefwunder,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 6:40am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Olddawgsrule</strong></em><br /><br /><div>fwunder, Have you disconnected one panel and tested? Getting 10amps would be too much for two 6v panels to achieve.&nbsp;</div><div></td></tr></table></div><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure I follow. I did test voltage @ both PV junction box @ 9.75v with panels disconnected.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2020 06:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise :   Originally posted by fwunderIf...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7667" rel="nofollow">Olddawgsrule</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2020 at 6:09am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by fwunder</strong></em><br /><br /><div><br></div><div>If you think I'm making too much out of this let me know. I'm just bummed that I didn't get what I thought I was getting and pissed at myself for not knowing!!</div><div><br></div><div>fred</div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1633.jpeg" height="667" width="500" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1639.jpeg" height="450" width="600" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>fwunder, Have you disconnected one panel and tested? Getting 10amps would be too much for two 6v panels to achieve.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Wattage may indeed be wattage, yet two 6v panels in series 'only increases voltage, amperage remains.. My impression is the singular panel is 12v and made up from two 6v modules. Testing one alone would prove/disprove this theory.</div></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise :  I will be looking forward to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 9:21pm<br /><br />I will be looking forward to reading how that additional panel on the TV roof rack works out.<br>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise : Thanks Stephen. I&amp;#039;m pretty...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 9:11pm<br /><br />Thanks Stephen. I'm pretty up to speed on PWM vs. MPPT, particularly on a 200W+ system, but thanks for the link. Many argue that they would rather have two 12v batteries in parallel instead of two 6v batteries in series using the argument that you can always use just one. Similar. Actually, my bigger goal as I mentioned wayyy back ago was to be able to use a smaller gauge wire from 200W series connected panels @ ~40v to MPPT controller over greater distance than ~20v to PWM and to possibly capture an additional 20-30% increase in controller output. But, hey, I'm just learning here and always enjoy hearing the experiences of others.<div><br></div><div>I am adding a 100W panel to TV roof rack which will pump a few more amps to battery bank while under way and easily be deployed in campground. No reason not to have multiple controllers feeding battery bank as far as I can tell.</div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise : I&amp;#039;m not sure. Since I have...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 8:31pm<br /><br /><div>I'm not sure. Since I have the solar suitcase, it would make no sense to separate them for use. I'm not a solar engineer though, so I don't have the answers to some of these questions. If it were two separate panels, I could see your point. In that case, they would be connected in parallel. The suitcase is made to be used as a suitcase, so connection in series is not an issue. The panels are not meant to be used separately. That is purely my opinion though. To get the full answer, you would need have someone much more knowledgeable and/or get it from Renogy.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Victron has a pretty good white paper on PWM vs. MPPT.</div><div><a href="http://www.victr&#111;nenergy.com/upload/&#100;ocuments/White-paper-Which-solar-charge-c&#111;ntroller-PWM-or-MPPT.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/White-paper-Which-solar-charge-controller-PWM-or-MPPT.pdf</a><br></div>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise : Why should a two panel system...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 8:19pm<br /><br />Why should a two panel system require both panels to operate? I don’t understand. In a 12v system any 12v panel should be able to operate independently, albeit at lower power output. Right?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 8:12pm<br /><br />Yes, I do understand the differences between MPPT and PWM. I also understand that the suitcase needs both panels to operate and that each panel by itself might not be functional. I purchased based on the system being negative ground like our RPods. I saw less expensive positive ground setups while shopping, but avoided them.The Renogy had the advantage of being at a price I felt I could afford after dropping a lot of dollars on an LiFePO4 battery.<br>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise : You do understand the advantages/disadvantages...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 8:03pm<br /><br />You do understand the advantages/disadvantages or two 6v panels vs. two 12v panels, right? There is a considerable difference. What would you do with a single 6v panel if the other was damaged? In a 200 watt system, do you understand the advantage of using a MPPT controller over a PWM controller? I’m not being condescending, but there are distinct advantages to two 100 watt 12v panels vs. two 100 watt 6v panels that I, admittedly, should have understood before purchasing. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 7:53pm<br /><br /><div>As I said, that is a question for Renogy to answer. I have not measured the output of my panels so I would not be able to say whether they are 6V or 12V. What you purchased is a "200 Watt Eclipse Monocrystaline Solar Suitcase. I do not see anywhere in the description that shows that each panel is 12V. If, as you state, each panel is 6V, then wired in series would give you 12V. It is possible that the two panels in my 100W Eclipse solar suitcase are also 6V in series to deliver the rated 12V, 100A. However, the most likely explanation is that somehow, the wrong label was placed on the back of your panels. The fact that the panels you received match the dimensions that I posted and not the dimensions on the label in your picture are another indicator that the wrong label was pasted on the back of your panel.</div><div><br></div><div>Edit: See pages 14 and 17 in your manual for the correct specifications.<br></div><br>]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise : Are you OK with &#226;&#8364;&#339;Two 100 watt...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 7:31pm<br /><br />Are you OK with “Two 100 watt Eclipse Solar Panels” as described on Renogy site? Would you not expect two 100 watt 12v. Eclipse panels?<br /><br />F]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 7:26pm<br /><br /><div>Is the output of the PWM controller 12V? If so, then you did get what you paid for as did I. Why it would be labeled that way is up to Renogy to explain. You are getting the watts you paid for.</div><div><br></div><div>These are the specifications I found on Amazon for the panel:</div><div><br></div><div><div ="amp-centerthirdcol-list"><div ="a- a-spacing-small a-color-alternate- apm-list amp-centerthirdcol-list"><div ="a--inner">                                      <ul ="a-unordered-list a-vertical"><li><span ="a-list-item">            <span ="a-size-">                Maximum System Voltage: 600VDC(UL)            </span>        </span></li><li><span ="a-list-item">            <span ="a-size-">                Open-Circuit Voltage: 21.2 V            </span>        </span></li><li><span ="a-list-item">            <span ="a-size-">                Optimium Operating Voltage: 17.7V            </span>        </span></li><li><span ="a-list-item">            <span ="a-size-">                Short-Circuit Current: 11.72A            </span>        </span></li><li><span ="a-list-item">            <span ="a-size-">                Optimium Operating Current: 10.35A            </span>        </span></li><li><span ="a-list-item">            <span ="a-size-">                Folded Dimension: 41.3 x 21.1 x 3.1 inches            </span>        </span></li><li><span ="a-list-item">            <span ="a-size-">                Weight: 33.60 lbs            </span></span></li></ul><div>It looks like if you saw 10A output, you were getting close to the Optimum Operating Current of 10.35A.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 7:08pm<br /><br />There is only one label on one panel. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 7:07pm<br /><br />As strange as it might seem, two 16 cell units combined into one 32 cell unit for one 100 watt panel @ 6v. and the connected series to another same configuration for a 200 watt 12v system is the only thing that makes sense to me. Someone said, “Watts is watts. You got what you paid for.”  I respectfully disagree. <br /><br />F]]>
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   <title>Renogy RipOff - please tell me otherwise : Do you have a label on each panel...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 7:06pm<br /><br />Do you have a label on each panel or only the one label on the one panel? In theory, you should see twice the amperage output on your panels that I see with mine. Since you said you saw 10A already, it is already putting out greater power than my 100W panels.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 6:59pm<br /><br />Hey Stephen,<br /><br />Renogy purchase direct. Check. <br /><br />Contacted Renogy 3 days ago. Check  <br /><br />Followed up with additional photos as asked for same day. Check. <br /><br />Radio silence. <br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 6:23pm<br /><br /><div>Three questions: <br></div><div>1. Did you purchase direct from Renogy or from a 3rd party seller (such as Amazon)?<br></div><div>2. If you purchased direct from Renogy, have you contacted Renogy about this?</div><div>3. If you purchased from a 3rd party seller, have you contacted the seller about this?&nbsp; <br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is a picture of the sticker on my 100W unit:</div><div><br></div><div><img src="uploads/4814/Renogy_Label.jpg" height="800" width="657" border="0" /></div><div><br></div><div>The two panels in mine are square. The picture of yours looks like they are taller rectangles.&nbsp; Each panel on mine is a 4x4 matrix of cells. From the Renogy site, the 200W kit each panel has a 4x8 matrix of cells. On mine, there is one label. On Renogy's site, the picture they show of the back side of the suitcase shows a label on each panel. I can't enlarge it enough to read what is on the labels though.</div><div><br></div><div>One thing that indicates that it is not a 100W unit is that you have already seen greater than 6A output. The short circuit output of mine is 6.1A with 5.68A optimum output current. I'm pretty sure that the sticker in your picture indicates the current output for one of the panels, not both panels.<br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 5:39pm<br /><br />It's a bit stranger than that, GlueGuy.<div><br></div><div>The panel dimension on the label does not match the actual panel dimension?</div><div><br></div><div>Mi biggest beef is that any educated buyer would assume they were buying two 100 Watt 12v panels with all the inherent options. I wasn't educated and that's my fault. I think Renogy took advantage of that.</div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1635.jpeg" height="667" width="500" border="0" /><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7014" rel="nofollow">GlueGuy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 5:15pm<br /><br />Watts is watts. If you were sold two 100 watt 6V panels, then that would be the 200 watt system you were expecting. Instead, it looks like they sold you a pair of 50 watt panels (100 watts), and told you that it was a 200 watt system. That is false, and you are (at least) owed a refund or return in exchange for what they sold you.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2297" rel="nofollow">fwunder</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13789<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2020 at 5:04pm<br /><br /><div>My Newbie Solar Mistake</div><div><br></div><div>Actually, it wasn't totally my fault. I just didn't know any better.</div><div><br></div><div>I bought a Renogy Eclipse 200 Watt suitcase last year w/Voyager 20A PWM controller. I had some solar cash burning my pocket.</div><div><br></div><div>I should have studied more.</div><div><br></div><div>Recently, I finally had time to study and play with the system. It is an attractive package, albeit, not the most efficient use of two 100 Watt panels - at least not the way Renogy designed them. I have learned that now.</div><div><br></div><div>Take the panels out of the suitcase, point them at the sun and, sure enough, they will pump a respectable amount of amps into you battery bank. I have seen 10 amps in full sun and a battery that needed that much. That's the selling point. But could be so much better if they only were truly two 100 Watt 12 volt panels as advertised. They are not! I wish I would have educated myself before I spent over $500.00 for 6 volt panels!</div><div><br></div><div>OK, here's the deal.</div><div><br></div><div>I wanted options.</div><div><br></div><div>One option was just as shipped. PWM controller on panels and short 10 AWG run to battery bank. That works. One would assume the two panels were connected parallel to controller and short run to battery bank. Longer run, heavier gauge wire.</div><div><br></div><div>Option two, which I like better is controller closer to battery bank and take advantage of higher output voltage of series connected 100 watt 12 volt panels to use smaller gauge extension from panels to controller. Would swap out PVM controller w/MPPT controller. Easy to do with any two 100 watt panels. I know now that this is solar 101. Problem is...you can't do this with expensive Renogy 200 watt solar suitcase because it is made with 50 watt 6 volt panels in parallel/series. Sounds weird, doesn't it? That's what I thought!!</div><div><br></div><div>First clue should have been label on one of the panels. See below. Label still doesn't make sense to me. Renogy offers no explanation so far.</div><div><br></div><div>Second clue was what sure looks like series connection between panels. This was a mystery. 2 100 Watt panels which look to be hooked in series, but deliver ~20v open circuit voltage. That didn't make sense. I opened the PV junction box thinking maybe there was some kind of shunting going on to make parallel connection. Nope. Straight series and voltage output at each junction box measured ~10 volts! 32 cell, 100 watt 6 volt panels. Seems very, very, strange!!</div><div><br></div><div>I went back and read the advertising literature - "Two 100 watt Eclipse panels" Hmmmm, would you say two 50 watt 6 volt panels wired in parallel = "100 Watt Eclipse panel" I wouldn't. I guess lawyers would.</div><div><br></div><div>It seems now that Renogy has changed the design and is using two 100 watt 12v Eclipse panels. I wonder how many were shipped like the one I got.</div><div><br></div><div>Besides the deceptive advertising and the circuit disadvantage of two 6 volt panels in series, if one panel breaks, the system is useless.</div><div><br></div><div>If you have purchased a 200 Watt Eclipse Monocrystalline Solar Suitcase w/o Controller: RNG-KIT-STCS200MB-NC-BC, please check the sticker(s) on the back and let me know.</div><div><br></div><div>If you think I'm making too much out of this let me know. I'm just bummed that I didn't get what I thought I was getting and pissed at myself for not knowing!!</div><div><br></div><div>fred</div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1633.jpeg" height="667" width="500" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1638.jpeg" height="375" width="500" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1639.jpeg" height="450" width="600" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1617.jpeg" height="310" width="500" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://grafiks101.com/pod/renogy/IMG_1614.jpeg" height="375" width="500" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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