R-pod Owners Forum : No power from Gfci https://www.rpod-owners.com/ This is an XML content feed of; R-pod Owners Forum : I need HELP!!! : No power from Gfci Copyright (c) 2006-2009 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 21 May 2026 15:59:12 +0000 Wed, 14 Oct 2020 15:16:18 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.64 360 https://www.rpod-owners.com/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=13735 R-pod Owners Forum https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.rpod-owners.com/ No power from Gfci : Ok, so the inverter bypass circuit... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137296#137296 Author: offgrid
Subject: 13735
Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 3:16pm

Ok, so the inverter bypass circuit is getting power via circuit breaker 5. There is a 16A (or a 12A depending on which document you read) breaker on the inverter that has to be reset if you have a fault or overload that circuit. 16A is a kinda weird cb rating. What is the current rating of cb 5, they should have the same current running through them? 

When there is no shore power and you are running in inverter mode, the output is limited to about 1000w/8A continuous. There is apparently no cb for this mode, it is internally monitored by the inverter and is reset by cycling the power button off and back on. 

Over to the 12Vdc side. The unit is supposed to be supplied with minimum 4 awg wire protected by a 100A inline fuse. Did FR install that correctly? Hopefully the fuse is at the battery where it should be??? 

BTW, the 100A looks to be the correct number based on the 1kw continuous rating and the 86% efficiency, but 4 awg is too small for 100A, it should be 2 awg. Also, I would bring a spare 100A fuse along, fuses and cb's should be sized 25% larger than the continuous load they might see to prevent nuisance tripping.  
]]> Wed, 14 Oct 2020 15:16:18 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137296#137296 No power from Gfci : So the inverter is plugged into... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137295#137295 Author: richardb09
Subject: 13735
Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 2:33pm

So the inverter is plugged into a single AC outlet that is a right next to it hidden.  Is that outlet always hot when shore power is applied?  I haven't opened up the area again to get back to the inverter to check with a multimeter.]]> Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:33:15 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137295#137295 No power from Gfci : Originally posted by richardb092021... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137294#137294 Author: Pod_Geek
Subject: 13735
Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 2:24pm

Originally posted by richardb09

2021 RP-190 inverter (WFCO model WF-5110R)...

Yup

Website:

https://wfcoelectronics.com/product/wf-5110r/

This is interesting:

From specs: 

Output Power
Protected by fuse: 12A/125V Circuit Breaker

From manual:

AC Circuit Breaker

The AC output of the WF-5110R Inverter, when in Pass-Through mode, is protected by a
resettable circuit breaker (see Figure 1 below). A 16A/120 VAC breaker is located on the
upper right on the unit’s rear panel. The breaker will trip in a high current situation. Should a
breaker trip, reduce or remove the connected AC load and reset the circuit breaker. Re-start
the inverter and check for proper operation
]]> Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:24:54 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137294#137294 No power from Gfci : - With shore power applied and... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137292#137292 Author: richardb09
Subject: 13735
Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 2:06pm

- With shore power applied and breaker 5 OFF there is no power to the outlets until I set the remote control switch for the inverter to ON.  

- With no shore power applied until I set the inverter remote control switch to ON then the inverter supplied power to the outlets.



]]> Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:06:45 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137292#137292 No power from Gfci : Hmmm. Possibly breaker 5 is supplying... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137290#137290 Author: offgrid
Subject: 13735
Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 1:28pm

Hmmm. Possibly breaker 5 is supplying shore power to both the inverter transfer switch (and therefore the GFCI receptacles) and the fridge ac element. With shore power on you could try shutting off that breaker and see if that causes the inverter to come on to feed the receptacles. ]]> Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:28:21 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137290#137290 No power from Gfci : 2021 RP-190 inverter (WFCO model... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137288#137288 Author: richardb09
Subject: 13735
Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 1:21pm

2021 RP-190 inverter (WFCO model WF-5110R)

Breaker 1 - 30 amp Main
Breaker 2 - 20 amp Air Conditioner
Breaker 3 - 15 amp Water Heater
Breaker 4 - 15 map Microwave
Breaker 5  - 15 amp GFCI, Refrigerator (did not seem to trip when inverter 12 amp tripped)
Breaker 6 - 15 amp Converter

There is not a breaker labeled specifically Inverter

2020 RP-190 inverter (WFCO model WF-5110R)

]]> Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:21:48 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137288#137288 No power from Gfci : Thanks, that info might be very... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137286#137286 Author: offgrid
Subject: 13735
Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 12:55pm

Thanks, that info might be very handy for others in the future.

Re transfer switch vs pass through, either the grid or the inverter has to be creating the 60 cycle ac waveform. If you are running on the inverter and the shore power is off then the inverter is doing it. If the shore power is on the grid is doing it. Some inverters are designed to synchronize with the grid when it is on so they can run in parallel with it, but I doubt FR uses one of those because they are pretty expensive. An automatic transfer switch is cheaper but that means that when you are on shore power the inverter is shut off. 

If there was a circuit breaker for the inverter ac transfer switch it would hopefully be in the panel and labelled that way. I doubt that there is a breaker in the panel for the inverter output because normally all circuit breakers are connected together on the input side which would connect the inverter and shore power together bypassing the transfer switch, which would not be good. But I suppose it is possible FR did something to allow them to do that. If there is a breaker in the panel labelled for the trailer receptacles that would be a good hint. 


]]> Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:55:19 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137286#137286 No power from Gfci : Originally posted by offgrid Just... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137281#137281 Author: Pod_Geek
Subject: 13735
Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 12:12pm

Originally posted by offgrid

Just learning how the new rPods with the inverter option are wired. Let me try to summarize, any of y'all who have one can confirm or correct me.

Inverter is rated at 1kW continuous output. [Rated at 1000W, yes.  Continuous...assume so]
Inverter has an internal automatic transfer switch for shore power. [Not sure that it isn't a simple pass-through, but don't really know...need enlightenment here]
Circuit breaker for transfer switch is 12A [Might be simply for any current passing through]
Therefore, the inverter circuit is limited to 12A on shore power [Correct] and 8A (1000 watts/120V) in inverter mode. [Assume so]

All receptacles in trailer are on the inverter circuit. [Yes on my 195]
Outside receptacle is on the inverter circuit. [Yes on my 195]
Microwave is not on the inverter circuit. [Correct on my 195]
Air conditioner and water heater ac heating element are not on the inverter circuit. [Almost certainly not on my 195]

Do I have that right?

Does the ac panel have a dedicated circuit breaker which supplies the inverter transfer circuit? [Don't know]
Are there any other circuit breakers located between the inverter and the receptacles? [Don't know]
]]> Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:12:13 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137281#137281 No power from Gfci : Just learning how the new rPods... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137261#137261 Author: offgrid
Subject: 13735
Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 6:20am

Just learning how the new rPods with the inverter option are wired. Let me try to summarize, any of y'all who have one can confirm or correct me.

Inverter is rated at 1kW continuous output.
Inverter has an internal automatic transfer switch for shore power.
Circuit breaker for transfer switch is 12A
Therefore, the inverter circuit is limited to 12A on shore power and 8A (1000 watts/120V) in inverter mode.

All receptacles in trailer are on the inverter circuit.
Outside receptacle is on the inverter circuit.
Microwave is not on the inverter circuit.
Air conditioner and water heater ac heating element are not on the inverter circuit.

Do I have that right?

Does the ac panel have a dedicated circuit breaker which supplies the inverter transfer circuit?
Are there any other circuit breakers located between the inverter and the receptacles? 
]]> Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:20:30 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137261#137261 No power from Gfci : The inverter had tripped it's... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137257#137257 Author: richardb09
Subject: 13735
Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 8:24pm

The inverter had tripped it's built in 12amp breaker cutting power to the GFCI outlet.  Once the breaker on the inverter was reset I could reset the GFCI outlet. The hardest part was finding the inverter.]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 20:24:41 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137257#137257 No power from Gfci : Looking on my phone so I may have... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137256#137256 Author: Badweissenbier
Subject: 13735
Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 8:07pm

Looking on my phone so I may have missed the answer. My apologies if I did.

A GFCI will not reset unless there is power to it. If your not plugged in to shore power or a generator it won’t reset.

Ie if you unplugged your trailer from shore power(110v) you can push the reset all you want it won’t do anything. ]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 20:07:54 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137256#137256 No power from Gfci : Thanks Pod_Geek. Found the inverter... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137253#137253 Author: richardb09
Subject: 13735
Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 7:01pm

Thanks Pod_Geek.  Found the inverter behind a panel on the left where the outdoor kitchen slides in, 12amp breaker was popped.  Smile]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 19:01:49 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137253#137253 No power from Gfci : The RP190 inverter switch is up... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137247#137247 Author: richardb09
Subject: 13735
Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 4:09pm

The RP190 inverter switch is up above the breaker panel right when you come in the door.  So I'll start in the break panel area.]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 16:09:27 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137247#137247 No power from Gfci : Originally posted by richardb09Great,... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137244#137244 Author: Pod_Geek
Subject: 13735
Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 3:45pm

Originally posted by richardb09

Great, where was your inverter located?

Not 100% sure because the dealer had to track it down.  They initially had no clue that there was a breaker on the inverter.  Since the inverter on/off switch is near the microwave I suspect it's in that area.  I would snoop around wherever your on/off switch is (recall that you have a 190 and I have a 195).
]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:45:20 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137244#137244 No power from Gfci : Great, where was your inverter... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137242#137242 Author: richardb09
Subject: 13735
Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 3:38pm

Great, where was your inverter located?

Rich

]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:38:47 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137242#137242 No power from Gfci : Originally posted by richardb09...... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137240#137240 Author: Pod_Geek
Subject: 13735
Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 3:29pm

Originally posted by richardb09

... Is there somewhere else, from the inverter possibly, that feeds the GFCI outlet in the bathroom?


My 195 has a 12-Amp breaker on the inverter that will trip if you hit the system with a 1500-watt space heater cranked up to full power (works fine at 1/2 power).  This is regardless of whether you're actually using the inverter, (I wasn't) as it's a pass-through system.  Found out the hard way.  Once that baby trips you'll have no power to any of the 110 outlets until you reset it.
]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:29:17 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137240#137240 No power from Gfci : I don't know how the new... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137239#137239 Author: offgrid
Subject: 13735
Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 3:20pm

I don't know how the new rpods with inverters have the inverters wired, but the outlets aren't being supplied by the inverter are they? A little 1kw inverter isn't going to be able to supply an electric heater and water kettle. ]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:20:46 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137239#137239 No power from Gfci : Question about the inverter -... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137237#137237 Author: richardb09
Subject: 13735
Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 2:55pm

Question about the inverter - I plugged in both an electric heater and an electric hot water kettle.  I though OK I tripped the breaker.  Reset all the breakers in the Rpod panel, none were obviously tripped, still no power to any of the GFCI protected outlets.  I then attempted to reset, red button, the GFCI outlet in the bathroom and it would not click in.  The black reset button clicked once and that was it.  I pulled the GFCI outlet and there is no 120V AC going to the Line side.  My 2021 RP190 has a solar panel and inverter.  Is there somewhere else, from the inverter possibly, that feeds the GFCI outlet in the bathroom?

]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 14:55:12 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=137237#137237 No power from Gfci : If you don't have access... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133283#133283 Author: StephenH
Subject: 13735
Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 6:29pm

If you don't have access to AC power, then you will need to plug your tow vehicle's connector to charge your battery. Even better would be to use jumper cables to charge the battery as many trailer connectors are much more limited in the amount of power they can supply. Jumper cables will charge faster in that case. Or, as I stated earlier, solar or a generator.]]> Sat, 04 Jul 2020 18:29:56 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133283#133283 No power from Gfci : +1 to OG, you don't have... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133279#133279 Author: mcarter
Subject: 13735
Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 5:12pm

+1 to OG, you don't have AC on battery only.]]> Sat, 04 Jul 2020 17:12:35 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133279#133279 No power from Gfci : If you are trying to plug into... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133277#133277 Author: lostagain
Subject: 13735
Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 3:29pm

If you are trying to plug into AC and trip the GFI and it won't reset, you may have a ground fault somewhere.  That would explain why the replacement GFI didn't work either.  

Your converter, as mentioned by OG and SH, converts the AC to DC to charge your batteries in the DC system.  If you can't get the AC to work, you can temporarily charge the batteries with an automotive battery charger so you can finish your trip, but that still leaves you with no AC.
]]> Sat, 04 Jul 2020 15:29:52 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133277#133277 No power from Gfci : +1You need an external source... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133275#133275 Author: StephenH
Subject: 13735
Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 2:55pm

+1
You need an external source of AC power such as a generator or shore power for the outlets to work.

CONverter = AC to DC power
INverter = DC to AC power.

Unless you have one of the new 'Pods with an optional inverter installed, there is no way you can get the outlets to work on battery power. Even so, you would need some form of power input (e.g. solar) to charge the battery/batteries or you will very shortly wind up with a dead battery.
]]> Sat, 04 Jul 2020 14:55:01 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133275#133275 No power from Gfci : If you're running on battery... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133274#133274 Author: offgrid
Subject: 13735
Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 2:34pm

If you're running on battery only than you have no 120VAC power and none of your outlets will work. You have to be plugged in to have AC. The converter only converts 120Vac to 12Vdc, not the other way around. ]]> Sat, 04 Jul 2020 14:34:08 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133274#133274 No power from Gfci : ARG. Out camping and the gfci... https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133273#133273 Author: 176turbodiesel
Subject: 13735
Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 2:02pm

ARG.
Out camping and the gfci controlling all the outlets won't reset. I pulled the old one out and put the new one in paying attention to the load side (2 wires) and the line side. New one is also not resetting. Is it possible there is a problem with the converter? Also I am running off battery only. ]]> Sat, 04 Jul 2020 14:02:19 +0000 https://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13735&PID=133273#133273