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   <title>Humans : Humans can disappoint, and sometimes...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7014" rel="nofollow">GlueGuy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jan 2019 at 4:37pm<br /><br /><div>Humans can disappoint, and sometimes they can inspire. <br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/03/science/ultima-thule-pictures-new-horiz&#111;ns.html" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/03/science/ultima-thule-pictures-new-horizons.html</a></div>]]>
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   <title>Humans : Yeah, attempted cremation, I was...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=5187" rel="nofollow">mcarter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jan 2019 at 2:54pm<br /><br />Yeah, attempted cremation, I was stationed at MCB 29 Palms.  He died at a Joshua Tree motel.]]>
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   <title>Humans :   Originally posted by mcarterBeautiful...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7014" rel="nofollow">GlueGuy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jan 2019 at 10:16am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by mcarter</strong></em><br /><br />Beautiful park, I used to rock climb there in the 70s.  Believe there was a rock star that died there also in the 70s, and there was graves in the confines from miner days.</td></tr></table>That would have been <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gram_Pars&#111;ns" target="_blank">Gram Parsons in 1973</a>.<br>]]>
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   <title>Humans : Beautiful park, I used to rock...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=5187" rel="nofollow">mcarter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Jan 2019 at 5:20pm<br /><br />Beautiful park, I used to rock climb there in the 70s.  Believe there was a rock star that died there also in the 70s, and there was graves in the confines from miner days.]]>
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   <title>Humans :   I didn&amp;#039;t see a date on...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2" rel="nofollow">Guests</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Jan 2019 at 12:58pm<br /><br /><br /><br />I didn't see a date on this article but, just stumbled across it:<br /><br /><a href="https://start.att.net/news/read/category/news/article/travel_leisure-the_government_shutdown_is_turning_nati&#111;nal_parks-rtime" target="_blank">https://start.att.net/news/read/category/news/article/travel_leisure-the_government_shutdown_is_turning_national_parks-rtime</a><br /><br />Hooray for the good volunteers at Joshua!  Why can't everyone, everywhere be like that, all the time? <br /><br /> ]]>
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   <title>Humans :  The majority of people treat...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=6036" rel="nofollow">lostagain</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Jan 2019 at 10:46am<br /><br />The majority of people treat our parks pretty well, but enough people don't that serious damage is all too common. &nbsp;It has been this way with our species for eons. &nbsp;In the San Francisco Bay Area, in the early &nbsp;&amp; mid 1800 when the area was being settled, it was a virtual paradise with year round streams filled with trout and salmon, huge stands of redwood trees thousands of years old, grizzly bears, wolves, deer, and so much water fowl that the sky would be dark when they took flight. &nbsp;This is described in the first few pages of a book called The Ohlone Way&nbsp;<a href="http://www.amaz&#111;n.com/Ohl&#111;ne-Way-Indian-Life-Francisco-M&#111;nterey/dp/0930588010/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1546445911&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=the+ohl&#111;ne+way" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Ohlone-Way-Indian-Life-Francisco-Monterey/dp/0930588010/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1546445911&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=the+ohlone+way</a>&nbsp; It isn't even a ghost of its past now.<div><br></div><div>We have lived an effort to conquer Mother Nature instead of playing by her rules. &nbsp;She's a harsh mother and when we don't play by the rules, extinction inevitably follows. &nbsp;Our public lands are under assault like no time in history. &nbsp;I have personally seen in what should take centuries to happen, changes in the Sierra Nevada that are heartbreaking. &nbsp;Millions of trees dying, glaciers disappearing, fires of unprecedented proportion, extinctions of species, and desertification of formerly lush forestland. &nbsp;Soon, in order to preserve many of our forests we will have to treat them like museums, where you go to look but only behind a glass wall on a special walkway. &nbsp;That is not experiencing nature.</div><div><br></div><div>It used to be, that you could head out and go camping pretty much anywhere in our western wildlands but now, if you don't make reservations months in advance, the campgrounds are full. &nbsp;Camping used to be a spontaneous experience of serendipity and freedom. &nbsp;Now, to take a camping trip you have to carefully plan and reserve for each stop, and often have to alter your route because one park or another is full. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>We humans are simply lousy caretakers of the gifts our Creator has allowed us to use for our moments of existence in this world. &nbsp;What is happening to our parks in these days of unsupervised use is just one more example of how we treat this gift. &nbsp;We have to understand we don't own the land. &nbsp;We are only short term itinerant tenants destroying what our Landlord has allowed us to use with the understanding that we'd pass it on to future generations for their turns. &nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2019 10:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Humans :  IMHO the current trajectory is...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2" rel="nofollow">Guests</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Jan 2019 at 6:18am<br /><br /><br />IMHO the current trajectory is not sustainable.  The top priority of parks that I am familiar with is "to protect and preserve" the natural resource.  Human use and recreation is further down the list and is a means by which to help finance the cost of the top priority.<br /><br />More trash and damage requires more personnel and money to remedy.  As national (and Indiana) parks are largely funded by user fees, it is necessary to try to attract and accommodate even more users - some who create even more costs.  Some things can't be fixed and are forever lost.  <br /><br />There comes a point where the situation is cost prohibitive and the top priority/mission can not be accomplished.  The gates get closed and, if you enter anyway, you are trespassing and subject to arrest.  The "shut down" demonstrates what happens when there is not enough money and/or personnel to remedy the situation.  I believe the article mentions that some areas would be closing.<br /><br />Freedom abused is freedom lost.<br /><br /><br /><br />]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2019 06:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Humans :  ...a couple of observations/opinions:........</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=6036" rel="nofollow">lostagain</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 6:05pm<br /><br />...a couple of observations/opinions:<div>..... well maybe more than a couple.</div><div><br></div><div>The "Golden Rule" - If we all followed it, we'd have a much better world.</div><div><br></div><div>Responsibility for our conduct - If we honestly evaluated our conduct and how it affected those around us, including our precious natural resources - our world - we'd find that we need to make some big changes.</div><div><br></div><div>Empathy and patience - When we put ourselves into the position of those whom we criticize or condemn, we often learn that maybe our views aren't the only valid views about any given topic.</div><div><br></div><div>Being honest with ourselves - most of the time we rationalize or justify our positions by lying to ourselves, or by being willfully ignorant, about the consequences of what we do. &nbsp;We have a responsibility to honestly inform ourselves about the world in which we live and act accordingly.</div><div><br></div><div>Caretakers of our world - we have a wonderful gift from our Creator that we need to cherish and tend so that those who come after us can enjoy those gifts as well. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>This topic is important, but it also can slide quickly into a partisan political battle. &nbsp;When I watched the video that David posted, the shutdown was not what came to my mind &nbsp;Rather, it was the fact that some people simply don't care about the treasures of nature that we're privileged to enjoy. &nbsp;That is truly sad.</div>]]>
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   <title>Humans : We can make an effort to leave...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 4:43pm<br /><br />We can make an effort to leave things better than we found them.We can't fix the attitudes of others, but we can do our best to have a positive attitude and enjoy our camping experiences. I have learned so much in this forum that has been of benefit. Hopefully, what I have shared in my mods and travel experiences has been a benefit to others.<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2019 16:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Humans : I think we need to stay centered...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=5187" rel="nofollow">mcarter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 3:52pm<br /><br />I think we need to stay centered on our purpose, helping and sharing info with owners and prior owners of RPods.  I didn't nor did many of us have anything to do with the current climate in America.  We were just camping.  I have personally experienced many government shut downs, not once did it effect my camping experience.  Still camping and still enthused about it.  I don't see us fixing where we are in America, I do see us fixing towing issues, maybe a stove or two and some genset issues.  Makes it a lot simpler if we think about it.  My thoughts.]]>
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   <title>Humans :    That is sad news hopefully...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=428" rel="nofollow">David and Danette</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 3:29pm<br /><br />&nbsp; That is sad news hopefully the ones that have no respect for nature and government property will not do to much harm. A good time for those wanting to volunteer to protect the national parks. That would be a good project for the boy scouts and girl scouts.&nbsp;<img src="https://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley6.gif" border="0" alt="Unhappy" title="Unhappy" />&nbsp; &nbsp;Sorry, I edited my post to keep it camping related.]]>
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   <title>Humans : They are not only crazy they are...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=5187" rel="nofollow">mcarter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 3:22pm<br /><br />They are not only crazy they are lazy, stupid and inconsiderate, you can pack your trash out.  People that stay off grid do it every trip, this is more about the generations in America that believe everything is free and somebody should do it for everybody, when a lot of nobody's do nothing.]]>
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   <title>Humans :  Originally posted by StephenHUnfortunately,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2" rel="nofollow">Guests</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 3:19pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by StephenH</strong></em><br /><br /><div>Unfortunately, it does not take a shutdown to bring out the bad behavior in some people. There have been many campsites to which we have arrived that have had trash scattered around. What is particularly annoying is seeing a trash can with lots of room in it and trash strewn all around it. The deliberate vandalism I have seen in my lifetime saddens me. Recently, a public sculpture in Wake Forest was vandalized. I may not have particularly liked it (geometric metal shapes intertwined), but I respect the work that goes into something like this to leave it alone. Not so the vandals who left it a twisted mess on the ground.</div><div></div></td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />You allude to what I was thinking as I read the article.  Had the author been present, I would have asked: "You think this is unusual?"<br /><br />The only difference is that, under normal circumstances, there are paid staff, supplemented by volunteers, that do what they can to pick up and repair behind these..... <em>(I shouldn't use such language on the forum).</em>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="https://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley35.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> This is every day stuff.<br /><br />I've done a lot of volunteering in the parks and, trust me, there is worse that goes on.  That said, campers (IMHO) a but a representative slice of society/humanity.  We seem to be in a feverish race to the bottom and I haven't a clue how to effectively reverse this.  <br /><br /><br /><br />]]>
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   <title>Humans : People are crazy. Our actions...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8294" rel="nofollow">Awchief</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 3:15pm<br /><br />People are crazy. Our actions prove it everyday.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 1:48pm<br /><br /><div>Unfortunately, it does not take a shutdown to bring out the bad behavior in some people. There have been many campsites to which we have arrived that have had trash scattered around. What is particularly annoying is seeing a trash can with lots of room in it and trash strewn all around it. The deliberate vandalism I have seen in my lifetime saddens me. Recently, a public sculpture in Wake Forest was vandalized. I may not have particularly liked it (geometric metal shapes intertwined), but I respect the work that goes into something like this to leave it alone. Not so the vandals who left it a twisted mess on the ground.</div><div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2" rel="nofollow">Guests</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 1:11pm<br /><br /><br /><br />After thinking about the post a bit, I think it prudent to (proactive/preventative) say that this is not intended to be a conversation of politics and/or the politics involved in the "shut down".  As is the linked article, it is more a commentary/observation of behavior at some of our parks/camping facilities.<br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=6036" rel="nofollow">lostagain</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 12:12pm<br /><br />Sadly, humans are no different than any other animals. &nbsp;We do what we think is in our immediate self interest without consideration for the consequences. &nbsp;Unfortunately, for many people, the trend, more and more, is to refuse to accept responsibility for the consequences of our conduct and to blame someone else for what we did. &nbsp;We forget that there are millions of species that came before us that are now extinct and we refuse to recognize that extinction could also happen to us. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>The article from wthr.com is a reminder.</div>]]>
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   <title>Humans :   &amp;#034;Human beings...capable...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2" rel="nofollow">Guests</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12505<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jan 2019 at 11:57am<br /><br /><br /><br />"Human beings...capable of great good<br />and great evil." - <em>Dr. Who, 4th Doctor (Tom Baker)</em><br /><br /><a href="https://www.wthr.com/article/shutdown-nightmare-park-bathrooms-overflowing-human-waste-vandals-causing-damage-fighting" target="_blank">https://www.wthr.com/article/shutdown-nightmare-park-bathrooms-overflowing-human-waste-vandals-causing-damage-fighting</a><br /><br />]]>
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