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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : I&amp;#039;d also want to check on...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2018 at 4:19pm<br /><br /><div>I'd also want to check on the cost of getting and maintaining the UL listing....and the cost of product liability insurance...</div><div><br></div><div>And that's why everything gets made in China these days...</div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : Go fund me... I&amp;#039;m just saying....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7021" rel="nofollow">adventurelust</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2018 at 3:57pm<br /><br />Go fund me... I'm just saying.]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : +1 Keith, might want to d a marketing...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=5187" rel="nofollow">mcarter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2018 at 3:52pm<br /><br />+1 Keith, might want to d a marketing survey first.]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : Sounds like business opportunity...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=807" rel="nofollow">Keith-N-Dar</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2018 at 3:21pm<br /><br />Sounds like&nbsp; business opportunity to me.]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : It might be easiest to build your...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7014" rel="nofollow">GlueGuy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2018 at 2:54pm<br /><br />It might be easiest to build your own dogbone with an inline NEMA 3 enclosure inline and put a simple circuit breaker inside. Small NEMA enclosures are relatively cheap, as are 30amp CBs.]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : Another good find GlueGuy. Looks...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2018 at 12:59pm<br /><br />Another good find GlueGuy. Looks pretty similar to the Cooper one StephenH found. Both are good companies, can't go wrong. Spendy though for sure.<div><br></div><div>Looks like there are longer cord length and connector combinations available with the Hubbell one so one thought might be to go straight to the trailer power inlet with the output cable from this and avoid having one more exposed connection and cord to carry around. Just bring this one and the 50A dog bone adapter, should be set.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>And it would help with the concern raised in one of the posts about missing the 30A circuit breaker at the pedestal. Manual set/reset allows it to be used as a shutoff without having to pull a live connection. Also trips on open or grounded neutral.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2018 12:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : My bad for not noting that was...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7014" rel="nofollow">GlueGuy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2018 at 11:47am<br /><br />My bad for not noting that was for 12VDC. Hubbell also makes an inline GFCI breaker made for 120VAC/30 amps (other voltages and amperage ratings as well), but it is kind of pricey: <a href="https://www.gord&#111;nelectricsupply.com/index~text~6019698~path~product~part~6019698~ds~dept~process~search?gclid=Cj0KCQjwrZLdBRCmARIsAFBZllELPAmgs86UJ-zDo2Nm-iIaP8NF&#111;nsn8l&#079;NX0TJymNO0kl_7kWSiTYaAkNjEALw_wcB" target="_blank">https://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~6019698~path~product~part~6019698~ds~dept~process~search?gclid=Cj0KCQjwrZLdBRCmARIsAFBZllELPAmgs86UJ-zDo2Nm-iIaP8NFoNsn8lONX0TJymNO0kl_7kWSiTYaAkNjEALw_wcB</a><br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : StephenH, that is a good find.This...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2018 at 11:47am<br /><br />StephenH, that is a good find.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>This one already I think has the correct connectors if you can get a dog bone with a locking female connector on the 30a end. Not much more $ and that way you get a fully listed assembly.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>https://www.amazon.com/Cooper-Wiring-Devices-GFI13M144-30A120V/dp/B00DUGJX4U</div><div><br></div><div>This would leave only the 2 ft cord on the input end to this device that wasn't rated for 50A.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, we all know that GFCI's can be prone to nuisance tripping so that might become an issue for some users.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning :  I could not find a 120V inline...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2018 at 9:33am<br /><br />I could not find a 120V inline circuit breaker, but I did find a <a href="https://www.amaz&#111;n.com/Cooper-Wiring-Devices-GFI13M1NN-GFCI/dp/B00DUGWDOM/" target="_blank">Cooper Wiring Devices inline GFI</a> device suitable for outdoor use.There are other models with longer lengths and/or plugs already attached at higher prices.<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : GlueGuy, if you could find one...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2018 at 6:48am<br /><br />GlueGuy, if you could find one of those that was 120Vac rated that would work, but that one is only rated for 24Vdc. Probably couldn't clear a 120V arc so just as likely to start a fire as to prevent one.&nbsp; I couldn't find a 120Vac rated one when I looked.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>I'm a little surprised that some of you don't have that label on your trailers, its required by the NEC now so Forest River has to put it on there.&nbsp; They get inspected for that kind of thing. Just speculating that it may have come out as a requirement in the 2014 code cycle. My trailer is a 2015 so it has it, just under the ac power inlet. If you do use the 50 to 30 dog bone and don't have the label that is a good thing, if you ever did get into an argument with your insurance company about liability&nbsp;<img src="http://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0" alt="T&#111;ngue" title="T&#111;ngue" /></div><div><br></div><div>Anyhow I have no issues with anyone who wants to use the 50A to 30A dog bones. Like they say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts.&nbsp;We've clearly discussed/maybe over discussed the risks and rewards here so everyone knows the facts and is in a great place to make a well informed personal decision.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>That's one thing I like about this forum.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2018 06:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : If I was really concerned about...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7014" rel="nofollow">GlueGuy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Sep 2018 at 7:28pm<br /><br />If I was really concerned about it, I would use the dogbone plus something <a href="https://www.amaz&#111;n.com/M&#111;nkeyJack-12V-24V-Waterproof-Circuit-Breaker/dp/B0722CZ8HW" target="_blank">like this inline waterproof circuit breaker</a>.]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2018 19:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : I don&amp;#039;t have any warnings...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8031" rel="nofollow">lgblau</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Sep 2018 at 6:12pm<br /><br />I don't have any warnings either. I just got back from a 4000 mile trip to Indiana. Was going to Cape Cod,MA for some lobster and clams. However, “Florence” made us change our mind. The Pod performed as expected with no dropped black tank drain falling,or Constancy tires blowing up, or converter quiting,or refer beeping, or water getting in. We had some very rough roads, and really hard rain with hail. Yet we had a great time in our travelling Marriott suite.]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : Read all the posts again, and...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=5187" rel="nofollow">mcarter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Sep 2018 at 3:37pm<br /><br />Read all the posts again, and have decided to keep my 50 to 30 dogbone and use like I have in past for times when the 30A is non existent or has problems.  BTW - I do not have any warning decals on my pod, but I can understand the concern to a point.  One thing I will say a lot of RV sites claim the 50A service is 2 - 25A legs and it is NOT.  It is 2 50A legs, Furpod is spot on.  Once again a judgment call to me, but where I stand for what it's worth.]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : That would work GlueGuy but I...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Sep 2018 at 6:49am<br /><br />That would work GlueGuy but I doubt there is a listed inline wet location circuit breaker available. There are inline fuse assemblies, which would also work, they’re used in solar installations, so they’re wet location rated but probably not ac rated. And if you created your own assembly it wouldn’t be listed so that would be another code violation. <br /><br />The best and in the end easiest way to do this would probably be just to convert the trailer to 50A service. Lots of people have upgraded older trailers that way. The equipment is listed, readily available and not too expensive, but it would require some labor. You’d need to install a new distribution panel and power inlet box and conductors between the two. And buy a 50a cord and a 30 to 50a dog bone if you still wanted to connect at 30a. That dog bone is safe from the over current problem.  And then if you wanted your rPod REALLY cold you could install a second ac unit <img src="http://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : If the dogbone included a 30 amp...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7014" rel="nofollow">GlueGuy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 10:28pm<br /><br />If the dogbone included a 30 amp breaker, all would be good.]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning :   Originally posted by adventurelustOK,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2821" rel="nofollow">Happy Tripping</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 8:03pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by adventurelust</strong></em><br /><br />OK, I think we ran this subject into the ground. Next!</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Uh, ... actually, no.</div><div><br></div><div>When something becomes tedious to us, we have the choice of simply not reading the thread (or whatever it's called).&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Because I don't understand the issues in this topic, I am still getting benefit from it.</div><div><br></div><div>My summary -&nbsp;</div><div>1. 50-30 amp dog bones may be hazardous to your health.</div><div><br></div><div>2. 50-30 amp dog bones may be required for electricity at certain rv places.</div><div><br></div><div>I guess I'll get one for when it's required for electricity. I like A/C.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : Sure, Keith-N-Dar, water entry...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 7:44pm<br /><br />Sure, Keith-N-Dar, water entry creates corrosion which results in a current limited line to ground fault across the receptacle pins. Then you add 28 amps of ac load by running the microwave and air con simultaneously. Voila, overheated conductors. That kind of thing happens all the time, especially ground faults, and especially in wet location applications, which RV cabling is. There are at least two people on the limited sample of this forum who have experienced these kind of faults.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>In fact, come to think of it, I had a similar fault occur just yesterday, but on my house, not my RV. I just returned home after Florence and had corrosion in one of my receptacles resulting in a current limited line to line fault. Outdoor rated enclosure but nothing really stands up to blowing salt water from a hurricane. Didn't know it was there until I tripped my breaker after adding a load to that circuit. Ask me if I was glad I had a properly sized breaker on that line....<div><br></div><div>Well mcarter.... Forest River warns against it, right on the label....<div><br></div><div>And mcarter, yikes re the propane explosion, sorry to hear that. Can you share the causes and results, maybe we'd all learn something from that?<br><div><br></div><div>By all means adventurelust, let's move on, I for one am not out to get anyone to change their mind. I only object to mis- or incomplete information&nbsp; because I think someone else who later reads this thread needs to have the facts in order to make an informed decision.&nbsp;</div></div></div></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : OK, I think we ran this subject...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7021" rel="nofollow">adventurelust</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 6:41pm<br /><br />OK, I think we ran this subject into the ground. Next!]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning :   Originally posted by offgridNo,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=807" rel="nofollow">Keith-N-Dar</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 6:18pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by offgrid</strong></em><br /><br /><div>No, it is not the same thing as for example a table lamp that uses 16 gauge wire. The conductors between the receptacle on the trailer and the panel are not temporary wiring like a table lamp, they are permanent, and as such the NEC applies. The NEC is intended to keep those conductors from overheating and causing a fire. The breaker in the trailer panel does not protect those conductors as it is downstream from the source feeding the conductors.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>As I said, there are plenty of electrical faults which are sufficiently resistive that they do not trip the breaker. Not only can I imagine them, I've seen them. So, it is your option to use one of the dog bones but know that there is risk involved in doing that.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>if you don't believe me, that's fine, go read the warning label underneath your trailer receptacle.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div></td></tr></table> <br></div><div><br></div><div>Name one that exists in the cable.<br></div>]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : Sure, it does.  I can&amp;#039;t find...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=5187" rel="nofollow">mcarter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 5:47pm<br /><br />Sure, it does.  I can't find any RV authority that warns against this.  I guess we are back to the "risk" discussion, like a lightning strike, BTW I have been thru a propane explosion. Thanks.]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : mcarter, its not about how many...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 5:42pm<br /><br />mcarter, its not about how many watts of load.<div><br></div><div>Its about the amps you can see in your conductors under fault conditions. The circuit the dog bone is connected to has overcurrent protection rated at 50A. The dog bone is required to use 6 AWG conductors which can handle 50A. The cord you connect into he conductors and the conductors between the receptacle on your trailer and the trailer power center are not rated for 50A, only for 30. Hence these conductors can overheat and start a fire in the event of a fault current which exceeds 30A but is less than the 50A that can trip the 50A service breaker.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Hope that makes sense.&nbsp;</div></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : So - you have a pedestal with...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=5187" rel="nofollow">mcarter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 5:26pm<br /><br />So - you have a pedestal with a 50A and a 30A outlet, you plug into the 30A and you get 120V, 30A capability at 3600 watts.  You get out your dogbone and plug your 30A connector into the 50A connector which has 2 independent 120Vs and about 12000 watts capability, however the dogbone only gives one 120V circuit and how is it that you can exceed the 3600 watt capability of your 30A service?  I don't think you can.]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : I did not need to find the breaker...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 5:24pm<br /><br />I did not need to find the breaker since we did not have any issues. I don't think we will be returning to that particular RV park again. You don't need to look all through the RV park, just ask at the office.]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : StephanH....Are you serious. Like...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8031" rel="nofollow">lgblau</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 5:04pm<br /><br />StephanH....Are you serious. Like I’m going to look all over the rv park to find a buliding that has the breaker for my outlet.]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : No, it is not the same thing as...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 4:12pm<br /><br /><div>No, it is not the same thing as for example a table lamp that uses 16 gauge wire. The conductors between the receptacle on the trailer and the panel are not temporary wiring like a table lamp, they are permanent, and as such the NEC applies. The NEC is intended to keep those conductors from overheating and causing a fire. The breaker in the trailer panel does not protect those conductors as it is downstream from the source feeding the conductors.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>As I said, there are plenty of electrical faults which are sufficiently resistive that they do not trip the breaker. Not only can I imagine them, I've seen them. So, it is your option to use one of the dog bones but know that there is risk involved in doing that.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>if you don't believe me, that's fine, go read the warning label underneath your trailer receptacle.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : I see it all the time, where a...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7021" rel="nofollow">adventurelust</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 3:57pm<br /><br />I see it all the time, where a connection is marginal, but is not enough current flow to cause the circuit breaker to trip, or a fuse to blow.&nbsp; It's kind of like a high impedance heater coil, but without the controlled resistance.&nbsp; True we use lamp cord all the time for appliances, but if you look at something with allot of wattage, the cord is usually sized for the load. JMHO]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning : The Pod is protected by a main...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=807" rel="nofollow">Keith-N-Dar</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 3:26pm<br /><br /><div>The Pod is protected by a main breaker.&nbsp; The power cord draw is limited to the amperage of that breaker, unless there is dmage to the cord.&nbsp; A sudden defect causing a short circuit would cause sufficient draw that would trip the 50 amp breaker on the pedestal.&nbsp; I can't imagine any situation that would cause the cord to create heat and catch fire.&nbsp; <br></div><div><br></div><div>This is like plugging a device with a number 16 power cord into a twenty amp outlet.&nbsp; The wire is much to small to carry 20 amps but we do it all the time.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The <br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 2:41pm<br /><br />The 2017 NEC requires disconnecting means at the pedestal. Could be a switch or a circuit breaker. I don't know how long ago that became a requirement though.&nbsp;]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=8600" rel="nofollow">offgrid</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 2:31pm<br /><br />The UL listing for the dog bone only addresses the dog bone. It is sure enough safe to connect to 50A.<div>The NRTL is putting up an SEP (somebody else's problem) field around the dog bone. They were asked to evaluate and list a product to a standard and they did.&nbsp; If you've ever read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy you'll know what an SEP field is. If you haven't read it, you should&nbsp;<img src="http://www.rpod-owners.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /> &nbsp;Besides, the manufacturer is their customer, not the consumer.&nbsp;</div><div><div><div><br></div><div>Now its a little different for the manufacturer. They can't knowingly sell something to a consumer that creates an unsafe condition in normal use and hide behind the argument that its listed. Well they can try but they wouldn't be in business for very long that way.&nbsp; Internal memos from their engineers to management are discoverable and can lead to juries handing out huge product liability settlements....</div><div><br></div><div>That's why I'm curious to see what the instructions that come with the dog bone say.&nbsp;</div></div></div>]]>
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   <title>FR 50 to 30 amp warning :   Originally posted by lgblauJust...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.rpod-owners.com/member_profile.asp?PF=4814" rel="nofollow">StephenH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 12107<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Sep 2018 at 2:11pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by lgblau</strong></em><br /><br />Just got back from a 14 day trip to Indiana. Most of the rv parks we stayed at did not even have a circuit<div>bracker to control the box. Hated that.</div><div></td></tr></table> <br></div><div>It is possible that the breaker for that circuit is in a building. It isn't as if the RV park would have no breakers. We stayed in one like that and were told where to find the breaker if needed.<br></div>]]>
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