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Topic: Towing vehicle
Posted By: Chuckfsc
Subject: Towing vehicle
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 7:11pm
Hello Everyone:
I am thinking to purchase a new Model 179. I have a new Toyota Sienna Minivan. It is rated at 3500 lbs. It has a heavy duty uhaul hitch rated at 4500lbs with 2 in receiver, but it does not have the factory trailer towing package. Lots of people tell me I should not use it to tow the RPod. The RPod has a dry weight of 2640. Has anyone had experience with a minivan pulling their RPod? I would appreciate any guidance on this issue. 





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Chuckfsc



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Posted By: Leo B
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 7:56pm
We tow our 179 with our Dodge Grand Caravan have for years. We tow in Vermont and New Hampshire and up and down the east coast. We are quite happy with its power and we average 13.5-16.5 mpg when towing depending on the wind.

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Leo & Melissa Bachand
2017 Ford F150
2021 Vista Cruiser 19 csk
Previously owned
2015 Rpod 179
2010 Rpod 171


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 10:08pm
Since your Sienna does not have a factory tow package, but an add-on hitch instead, there are a couple of things to note.

First, the hitch may be rated at 4500 lbs, but the vehicle is still rated at 3500 lbs. That is your limit. A heavier-duty hitch does not increase the vehicle's tow capacity. Second, since it is an aftermarket hitch, you should also get a transmission cooler installed. Third, while not strictly necessary, a heavy-duty alternator would not be bad to install either. Fourth, with this vehicle, a weight-transfer hitch with stability is going to be essential. One of these three should be purchased: Equal-i-zer 4-way stabilization hitch; Fastway E-2 hitch; or Andersen No-Sway weight distribution hitch. There are others also, but make sure it combines sway control with weight transfer.

One other thing that we have found that helps. We added an AeroPlus wind deflector from PurpleLine USA. Another one is the AeroShield by Icon. These improve the airflow between the tow vehicle and trailer. Our experience is that it increases our mileage significantly. This is optional though.

I don't think the Sienna's engine is turbocharged. You will find it works okay on flat land and hills. However, it would probably struggle at higher elevations and mountains. This is not to say it won't work. Just understand that you won't be going up 10% inclines at normal highway speed.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Chuckfsc
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 2:30pm
Hello Stephen
Thanks for the good advice. I knew about the weight distribution hitch. Do you think I also need an oil cooler and electronic brakes? Also would you recommend a larger radiator and fan installed?
Thanks
Chuck



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Chuckfsc


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 3:11pm
The R-Pod comes with electrical brakes. Unless your tow vehicle comes with a built-in trailer brake controller like some of the trucks, you will definitely need to purchase and install a controller. Some people use the Tekonsha Prodigy P3 controller. I chose the Hopkins InSIGHT Flex-Mount trailer brake controller as it gave me better options on where to mount the components. I have been very pleased with the installation.

As for larger radiator and fan, I can't answer than one. What I did is to get an https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NLQAHS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - OBDII Scan Tool . I also got a cord to allow flexibility in plugging in and placement of it, but that is optional. I use the Torque Android app on my phone to monitor engine and transmission temperature and other performance parameters. I would recommend getting an OBDII device and then determining whether spending the money on a new radiator and fan are warranted.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 3:12pm
My two cents worth: You should get a transmission fluid cooler and a way to measure transmission temperature such as a ScanGauge or similar device. You absolutely must have an electric brake controller. Without it you are unsafe and illegal in almost every state. 

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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 4:14pm
I installed a Husky Quest brake controller. Whichever controller you choose, I'd highly advise one with proportional braking: it measures your rate of deceleration and applies an appropriate amount of braking pressure.


Posted By: Leo B
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 4:35pm
+1

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Leo & Melissa Bachand
2017 Ford F150
2021 Vista Cruiser 19 csk
Previously owned
2015 Rpod 179
2010 Rpod 171


Posted By: dr2428
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by StephenH

The R-Pod comes with electrical brakes. Unless your tow vehicle comes with a built-in trailer brake controller like some of the trucks, you will definitely need to purchase and install a controller. Some people use the Tekonsha Prodigy P3 controller. I chose the Hopkins InSIGHT Flex-Mount trailer brake controller as it gave me better options on where to mount the components. I have been very pleased with the installation.

As for larger radiator and fan, I can't answer than one. What I did is to get an https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NLQAHS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - OBDII Scan Tool . I also got a cord to allow flexibility in plugging in and placement of it, but that is optional. I use the Torque Android app on my phone to monitor engine and transmission temperature and other performance parameters. I would recommend getting an OBDII device and then determining whether spending the money on a new radiator and fan are warranted.

StephenH,
     Thanks for the link to the scanner, I've been wanting one but too many to choose from. Good to see one that worked out for someone here, just ordered it. I have a light duty TV, 2016 Santa Fe and have been wanting to be able do monitor temps. I have a spare Android phone which will do fine as a permanent display. Love your mods by the way.

Thanks


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2017 RPod 179
2018 Chevy Colorado Z71 4x4


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 8:19pm
I'm glad I can help. In addition to a phone, an Android tablet also works and will give you a larger screen. The key thing is that it have Bluetooth connectivity.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 12:20pm
I towed our pod with a 2003 Sienna, and while it worked it isn't a rig I wanted to take cross-country (after taking it on trips to ME and FL).  Get the OBDII monitor first, then you'll see if you need to add an additional oil and/or tranny cooler.  A WDH hitch is a must.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: sunflashx
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 8:58pm
My rig is also on the lower end side of towing (3500 for travel trailers and 4500 for boats, I think due to a low tongue weight limit), and I have no real complaints about it's capabilities.  My 177 is at 3200lbs on the scales fully loaded, and the 179 is a little heavier by the sticker, so you're pushing it a little closer.

I would agree that some sort of sway control is in order, but I went with one of the $35 curt sway control units.  The difference it made was absolutely night and day.  I've got a couple thousand miles on it with the sway control now, and it tracks like it's on rails under all conditions, high wind, big downhill grades, whatever.  Prior I was limited to 55 - 60 mph to control sway and would have to modulate the trailer brake down hills.  Not good.

As far as towing with an under powered vehicle, the biggest problem I have is poor gas mileage and a relatively small fuel tank, my rig had crappy mileage to start with though.  The only time I've been worried about engine power was Tioga pass going into Yosemite.  It's a brute of a hill, going up and coming down.  Turn the AC off for big long pulls.

Get a full size spare tire, I picked up a matching wheel from a junk yard, and it fit fine in the factory location.  You probably aren't wired for a 7 way connector, so when you pull wire, pull a 8-10 gauge power cable from the battery so you have enough capacity to run the fridge on 12v and keep the batteries topped off.  My wiring kit came with a 10 gauge power wire and it's enough for the fridge and battery charge, if I'd known a bigger power feed mattered at the time I would have bumped it up to an 8 when I pulled it to be safe.  The Tekonsha P3 brake controller has been great for me.

Minimum you need the factory oil cooler that comes with the tow package,you should be able to buy it separately from the other parts, ideally probably have an after market unit added in addition to that equipped with a thermostat on it so the oil still warms up from cold in a reasonable time.  That one is on my wish list...


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2013 R-Pod 177 Hood River
2006 Acura MDX Tow Vehicle


Posted By: frogpod
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 9:23pm
I tow my pod with a Toyota Tacoma...no problems.  My son installed a hitch and brake control wiring on his newer Sienna and it seems to pull the pod even better than the Taco.  Installing the brake controller wiring with parts from etrailer on a Sienna is definitely doable. We did it in about two hours in the driveway.  Etrailer has excellent instructions and videos that help a lot.  If you call them they act like they are happy to talk to you and know what they are talking about.  Have a Prodigy controller we use in both vehicles.  We also bought and installed the hitch receiver on the Sienna with parts from etrailer.  Also about two hours and no problem.  I recall the receiver just bolts on but you need to remove a piece of plastic and cut it to get it to work.  Actually not that hard to do.  The receiver and hitch he got has an adjustable lift....I think it needs to be up six inches or so on the Sienna.  Also got an extra UBolt piece of hardware to prevent movement that occurs with an adjustable drop hitch.  Noticeable banging noise if you don't have this.  

I bought mirror extenders when I first got the pod.  They work fine, but I discovered that I don't really need them.  Without the extenders I can't see directly behind the pod....and with them on I still can't.  With the width of the Sienna and pod, you shouldn't need them....but the little circular blind spot mirrors (Sienna may already have this) are a good whether you are towing or not. 


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Leo and Tami
with Coltrane the Jack Russell Terrier
2010 Rpod 171
2003 Toyota Tacoma TRD


Posted By: frogpod
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 9:47pm
Further things......Our pod is a little lighter than yours. 

Also We use a small EZ friction type sway control bar that came with the used pod I bought.  If you don't go with a full WDH type hitch, you should at least get one of these.  It helps with sway, which if you ever experience it is truly scary.  It does nothing about the "porpoise" effect when going up and down hills, which is very noticeable in the Tacoma.  That may be more of a comfort than safety thing.  Probably would have got a WDH, but the Tacoma already had came with a receiver and the pod came with the sway bar so I just went with it.  My son tells me the Sienna pulls without much porpoise effect (he has driven both vehicles with the pod).   


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Leo and Tami
with Coltrane the Jack Russell Terrier
2010 Rpod 171
2003 Toyota Tacoma TRD



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