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Topic: sway issue
Posted By: 2rsinapod
Subject: sway issue
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 9:28am
Hi all. I am having sway issues with my '15 178 towed with a Ford Explorer V8 set up with equalizer and 1 anti sway bar. It was installed and set up by the dealer, (Can Am RV near London Ont)and during the test drive it seemed ok up to 90 km/hr. I filled the fresh water tank and drove the 401 hwy at 100 km/hr and had quite a bit of sway. I tightened the sway control lever as much as I could by hand and also the nut below the lever. I see no improvement. Has anyone had similar issues or needed a second sway bar? Can one over-tighten these bars? This is my first experience with an equalizer and TT after 20+ yrs of pop-ups. Am I expecting too much from the sway control at higher speeds?

Mike

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'15 r-pod 178
'17 F150 2.7L ecoboost



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Posted By: Hairy Podders
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 12:38pm
with the fresh water tank filled, how much tongue weight do you have?
Since the fresh water tank is behind the axle on a 178, adding water removes tongue weight. The rule of thumb that I follow is 10% of the trailer weight should be on the tongue.
That said, I fought terrible crosswinds coming home across Kansas & had bad sway. Or what I would consider sway. A local said that it was a breeze....

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Darryl, Julie & Lindsey
Cooper & Libby- Devoted Canines
2014 RP178
2006 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 12:46pm
Sway is almost always caused by too little tongue weight. If the water tank is behind the axle and you can't move other loads forward to compensate you'll have to unload some water.  If your tank is full that is around 300 lbs of water!


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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 2:10pm
Two things:  I don't use sway bars, so I can't help with that.  As others have said, 300 pounds of water behind the axle is going to have a negative impact sway and balance.  There are times, usually short distances, when you need to have your fresh tank full, but you can usually get water at or close to your destination.  Hauling water, potable or waste, any further than you have to is to be avoided.  Five or 10 gallons for emergency stops is usually plenty.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: cody91
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 3:17pm
I thought the Equalizer WDH had the sway control built in.  Why would you need an additional sway control device?


Posted By: RPodWeGo
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 4:25pm
I agree with the others too.  I used to haul my water as the wife wanted her water from home (yawn).  Not only would it create sway, slow my truck down but would also eat into my fuel cost as I was pulling more weight.  The fix was to get rid of the wife, only joking, we now fill as close to our dry camp spot as possible.

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RPodWeGo
RPod 177
04 v8 Toyota 4Runner


Posted By: 2rsinapod
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 8:35pm
Thanks all ...... it makes total sense and I'm not sure why I didn't put 2 & 2 together! I drained 2/3 rds of the tank and will try it with 10 gallons to start with. After all that was the size of the tank on my last pup.

Mike

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'15 r-pod 178
'17 F150 2.7L ecoboost


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 11:57pm
See the link in my signature for info on sway.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Danno
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 12:16am
Hi Mike and All,

I wanted to share my experience with the RP-177 being towed with a '98 Ford Explorer.  I don't wish to unnecessarily scare anyone away from towing a travel trailer but I do think people should learn from other people's mishaps and know everything they can about it before rushing out and getting on the highway with one.  I am very lucky to not have been permanently paralyzed or otherwise badly injured, not to mention, killed.  I was using a WDH and friction sway bar but the bow wave from a very large RV I went by started the Rpod swaying and no matter how I tried to steady it, the oscillation continued to grow very quickly.  There was only 6" of shoulder pavement beyond the white line and a few inches of dirt before the highway bed dropped off very steeply.  I didn't want to touch the brakes, fearing it would make it worse and I didn't feel I could take either hand off the wheel to try to actuate the trailer brakes but I had taken my foot off the accelerator so was slowing down.  The trailer swung the Explorer hard right and onto the dirt, resulting in both rolling down the embankment.  The trailer literally exploded with nothing but pieces plus the frame left.  Luckily, the Explorer cab wasn't crushed so I managed to escape with very little injury.  Yes, I was wearing my seat belt which kept me clamped in the seat and probably wouldn't have survived if not.
I just got the trailer last year (2013) and had gone on two trips with it, once even without a sway bar.  However, this was the first time I had completely filled the fresh water tank which is unfortunately the last of 3 tanks, located in the back, behind the axle.  I was headed into the Nevada desert to go dry camping, with my brother driving separately, and we both take showers and use a lot of water over a several day period so that's why I had it filled.  It was a lack of understanding on my part that the trailer isn't engineered to be stable at highway speeds with the fresh water tank being filled and the gray and black water tanks being empty even though the total weight of the Explorer, trailer, and contents were well within what the Explorer is rated to tow.  Apparently (I'm still researching this), it's necessary to counter balance the fresh water tank weight with weight placed in front of the trailer axle.  According to a salesman I talked to at Poulsbo RV, the 10% tongue weight, shown in the RP-177 specs, is with all tanks empty.  So when the fresh water tank is filled, there is about 300lbs of weight pushing down on the back and lifting on the tongue, which would appear to reduce tongue weight to less than 10% of the total trailer weight.  I've now seen various websites that say the tongue weight should be no less than 12% to 15% so they're saying even 10% is not a safe percentage.  I've also now found companies that make (very expensive) hitches that they 100% guarantee will not allow sway to ever begin in the first place.  And they say friction sway bars can actually make a situation worse once the force on the trailer overcomes the friction in the sway bar.
In any case, I've definitely learned (the hard way) that you do not take anything about towing a trailer for granted.  Your life and everyone else's life out there on the road, is literally in your hands.  I do intend to buy another RV, whether TT, 5th wheel, or other.  But I will be fully educated and weighing, measuring, and verifying everything myself before ever towing again.  BTW, for those that haven't already seen it, here's another person that had a very bad sway problem and crash with the RP-177.  Just google "Crashed on the interstate while towing the R-Pod"  or see "forum_posts.asp?TID=3141&title=crashed-on-the-interstate-while-towing-the-rpod" on this site.  I wish there had been a guard rail where I was, like they had, but I was on a straight highway and they were on a curve.


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Dan


Posted By: Podster
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 8:04am
Thanks for sharing this...a very educational read that may save another from this terrible misfortune. Good to hear that you came out of it OK. 


Posted By: David and Danette
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 2:16pm
   I too am very sorry about your accident and thankful no one was injured. My parents had a Jayco trailer many years ago and a similar situation except the road had ice on it and thankfully the trailer flipped and exploded in pieces but the Suburban they were driving remained upright on four wheels. I hope your insurance covers most of your loss. Next camper you buy I am sure you will be checking the tongue weight and where the fresh water tank is located. Its good you are not getting discouraged and are planning on to continue camping. My parents never bought another camper my mother said that was enough. Your experience will help others to be mindful of the tongue weight and drive careful with caution in that things can quickly change to a dangerous situation.  David and Danette

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2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-              
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019)
2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014)
Middle Tn
2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab




Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 3:56pm
Welcome.  Sorry to hear about your accident.  Unfortunately you made 2 mistakes.  First, the #1 rule with sway is you must mash on the brake controller (and don't touch the TV's brakes).  Second, you never want to try to steer out of the sway - hold the steering wheel straight (within reason, steer away from traffic of course).

See the link in my signature and look for the article on sway.

The fresh water tank is behind the axle on the 177, true.  However, with adjustments to apply more weight forward of the axle and to increase the sway control (which differs depending on the brand), it is perfectly safe to travel with that tank full and the waste tanks empty.  My 171 has a different configuration but I've traveled most of 15,000 miles with the fresh water tank full.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: ToolmanJohn
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 7:48pm
Make sure you trailer tires are at the max of 50 psi... Low tires pressures are very bad on trailers and the rear of the tow vehicle. Much better to run maximum cold pressures in your tires when towing.




Posted By: Old Dingo&Mrs.Dingo
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 8:13pm
Many years ago, when I was young and brave, (and foolish) I regularly towed a 15 1/2 foot Scotty TT (3500#-4000#) with a '72 Jeep CJ5 V8, (about 3000#) no WDH or sway bar.  At highway speeds it would start to sway with almost every passing 18 wheeler, to stop the sway I would simply accelerate briskly for a short time.  It would eliminate the sway almost immediately, only one problem, if there was much traffic, I would wind up going much faster than I wanted.  As Doug says "mash on the brake controller", that will pull the hitch tight and straight, stopping the sway.  If you are afraid to release the steering wheel to apply the trailer's brakes, a healthy dose of horsepower may allow you to regain control, in fact that is the only way I know of to stop sway on a trailer equipped with surge brakes.  Lifting your right foot will not, applying the TV brake usually isn't the answer either.  All this said, now I use a WDH with sway control, (not the friction type) and my TV is rated to tow twice the 'pod's weight.  Take note:  many people on this forum have found out, no device can correct all the problems caused by poor weight distribution.  

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Old Dingo and/or Mrs. Dingo
181G
2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee


Posted By: Danno
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 9:11pm
Thank you all for your concern and comments.  It's a once in a lifetime experience I will never forget.  I don't know how to explain the feeling of being out of control like that and pretty much knowing what was coming.  I suppose sheer terror might begin to describe it.  If I could have overcome the fear that was gripping me as it was happening, and let go of the wheel with one hand, maybe I could have found the controller button fast enough to do some good.  A button on the steering wheel would have come in handy.
I did have the trailer tires at 50psi. 
But yes, now I realize weight distribution is all important and never to be taken for granted.  If it had been correct in the first place, even without a sway bar, there probably wouldn't have been any problems.


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Dan


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 11:15am
We're all here to help, ask anything and you'll get multiple answers!  Smile

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual



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