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Topic: More Wiring Options
Posted By: fwunder
Subject: More Wiring Options
Date Posted: 04 May 2014 at 1:04pm
I decided to do a little exploring this morning. I am adding a couple more 12 volt outlets and considering hard wiring an inverter. I was curious what options I might have. This may help others who may be considering the same.

What I discovered with my 178:

1) 12 volt power bus on bottom of Pod just forward of stabilizer street (port) side. Nice!

[edit: It's a short stop circuit breaker, not power bus]



2) Close by, 12 volt wires (green+white) running through floor into locker just froward of fridge



3) In locker mentioned above, removed panel covering 110 outlet. Noted wires (green+white) above entering and noticed 110 volt wire chase (channel) along outside wall.



4) Removed panel below draws and noted 110 volt wire run (above) exiting. Nice easy wire run.



So, looks like one could easily tap the 12 volt bus below the pod, enter in the existing hole and run whatever along the street (port) side. Of course, it would require inline fuses for whatever you do run.

I have a small 400 watt inverter now, but now I see wiring a larger inverter in that locker would not be difficult at all.

I hope that helps and would be curious if anyone else has tapped that bus.

fred




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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!



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Posted By: Lipidman
Date Posted: 04 May 2014 at 5:49pm
Thanks.  This provides some options I didn't know existed.


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 04 May 2014 at 6:10pm
But wait...there's more!

There is another chase that runs the width of the pod (178) from under the shower pan to under the slide out. It's where the shore power line runs and bathroom plumbing, etc. Short and easy access to power panel from under shower pan. It was a little trickier snaking my copper snake through it than the wall side, but not that bad. I left some strings in place in both chases for any wiring mod I might want to do. Sooo, you may not be able to run wires through the walls, but you certainly can through the floor! I use the copper ground wire from some romex scrap for my snake.

Smile











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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: bodie55
Date Posted: 05 May 2014 at 9:42am
So, if a water leak travels in same said channel, do we risk an electrical issue with the wiring being there, or since wiring is covered it would just get wet and dry out?

This channel is where the water from our leaky shower drain made its way last summer. We had it replaced but haven't tested it out yet. We did notice that the floor in this area is soft, presumably because it's hollow. Wondering if the water leak could have compromised any building materials used in that space?  The Camping World that replaced the drain said the floor was fine. Hmmm....

Y'all are more tech savvy than I and I always appreciate your insight!!

Glad to know it just might be possible to install a 12v socket next to the dinette!


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Bay Area Crew
2013 178 Beach Pod
F-150 SuperCrew
...sempre in viaggio sul mare...


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 05 May 2014 at 10:40am
Hi bodie,

I wouldn't worry about the wiring. It should be fine. There are a lot of wires running underneath your rpod that get wet all the time.

I could see a delamination issue if water seeped into the thin wood laminated to foam core. I would think you would notice the tile buckling a bit if it was an issue. You can easily remove the vent below bathroom floor and poke around a bit and look underneath the pod. I would think if there is a problem you might see it.

fred


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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 5:18pm
Following up on wiring options, I decided to use the slide side wire channel option to install two more 12v. outlets today using the Blue Sea Sockets recommended by others.

I already was using two of the three spare 12v. positions on the WFCO panel so I decided to use the main distribution post and ground under the pod. I was a little concerned about the ground connection only because of the number of connections currently being used. After removing the grounding screw and reattaching, I fell confident it's not an issue.

[edit: It's a short stop circuit breaker, not main distribution post]

Of course, I disconnected both shore power and battery power (at the batteries) before starting.

I didn't have any reservations about making a hole in the floor. Heck, I've drilled larger holes below the waterline on six-figure yachts so holes in pod floor don't worry me - as long as you make sure you don't hit anything on the way out or in! I made a large hole (1") because it was the smallest hole saw I had. I started from the inside, then made a small pilot hole all the way through and finished from below. Gave me lot's of room for wires and goop.

I used 30A inline blade fuse holders for both sockets w/15A fuses. The wiring is 10AWG thin stranded copper from Home Depot. There was enough room in the existing split wire loom to run the wires below. I added a few wire tires just for added benefit.

After double/triple checking all connections I reconnected battery and measured both sockets with voltmeter just to make sure. It's easy to get mixed up sometimes. I then filled the hole with a ton of black silicone just like FR seems to like.

I'm happy with the mod and would welcome any criticism. pics...




















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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 8:53pm
Just a couple more to add. We really wanted some good reading light in our new space aft. The overhead LED lighting is just too harsh. A little research showed that 12v. cfl's or led's in a 40w table lamp type bulb are expensive and unreliable - so I read.

We both use those little clamp on lights a lot. Me in my man cave and she in her pottery studio, soooo, I bought another one for $6.50, added a 40w "warm" LED bulb for $8.00 and plugged it into my little Cobra inverter plugged into my new 12v. outlet. I like! She likes. Nice comfortable light and @ 5w not worried about drain. Much, much nicer reading light than overheads.








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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: Hairy Podders
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 10:09pm
Fred, The only thing that I would be concerned about is the circuit breaker that appears to be under the camper. This style of circuit breaker doesn't respond well to water intrusion. I would look into sourcing a waterproof one. I would also grease all of the connections to prevent corrosion.
Just my 2 cents worth....

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Darryl, Julie & Lindsey
Cooper & Libby- Devoted Canines
2014 RP178
2006 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 10:33pm
Thanks HP, but I don't see any circuit breaker or any other electronics below the pod. I'd like to know where, though.

Good idea about a light coat of grease. I didn't see any coating on the factory connections, but I'll try to find a standard.

Thanks.

fred


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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 8:21am
Looks like he has a fuse holder on the yellow line (above), inside the pod.
 
Vaseline will work well to prevent corrosion and water intrusion, as long as it is protected from being washed away.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 8:29am
Looks like the light pink coating FR uses on and around the 12v distribution posts is Permatex Battery Protector and sealer. This looks like a good area that should be looked at occasionally. Most Pod owners probably don't even know it's there. I stumbled across it.

[edit: It's a short stop circuit breaker, not 12v distribution posts]

No, I didn't leave any fused connections outside the pod. The blade fuse holders are from local AC Delco auto store. Radio Shack only had the mini blade fuse holders.

fred


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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: Hairy Podders
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 12:47pm
Fred, In in the first picture of your post dated yesterday at 5:18pm & also the first picture of them all, it appears that there is a power feed wire & a couple of other wires bolted to two studs of a circuit breaker? That is what I'm referring to.

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Darryl, Julie & Lindsey
Cooper & Libby- Devoted Canines
2014 RP178
2006 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 1:06pm
What you are looking at is a power distribution block. It's not a fuse. Hot (red) from batteries on one side and main feed to WFCO panel on the other. That's all factory installed and sprayed with Permatex Sealent - the pink stuff.

The only change I made were the two white and two green wires terminated with the yellow ring connectors - white (positive) to distribution block and green (ground) to existing ground screw on frame. Simplest, shortest run for adding circuits to street side (slide side) of pod.

Here's a closeup of the distribution block:

[edit: as noted, it is a short stop circuit breaker, not distribution block]




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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: Hairy Podders
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 1:09pm
From the angle, it looked like a circuit breaker. I was hoping to avert any problems on your end.

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Darryl, Julie & Lindsey
Cooper & Libby- Devoted Canines
2014 RP178
2006 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 1:15pm
Thanks. I think I will pick up a can of the http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/specialized-maintenance-repair/electrical-system-maintenance/permatex-battery-protector-sealer-detail - Permatex Battery Sealant  .

Sound like good stuff and cheap insurance.

fred


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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 7:17pm
That is not a distribution block-  it is a circuit breaker.  On mine it is 50A.

I wouldn't have missed thatLOL


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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 7:46pm
That's interesting, Budward. When or how might that might trip and how would it be reset?

Thanks!

fred


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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 7:57pm
Ahhh, so thanks for the pointer Bud! It does, indeed appear to be a circuit breaker similar to:

http://www.amazon.com/BUSSMANN-Circuit-Breaker-CBP-50BA-CBP50BA/dp/B009K705AO - http://www.amazon.com/BUSSMANN-Circuit-Breaker-CBP-50BA-CBP50BA/dp/B009K705AO

I would guess it's an automatic reset thing.

So in my install do you think it matters was side of the breaker my power leads should be?

Good catch!

fred






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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 8:00pm
They open under an overload and self reset after a short time period, if the overload is still there they open again, and so on...

There are models that have to be manually reset- but the one FR uses in this app is self resetting.   The same breakers are often used in electric brake wiring.

http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/dam/public/bussmann/Transportation/Resources/catalog_pages/BUS_Tns_12X_Shortstop_CB.pdf - http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/dam/public/bussmann/Transportation/Resources/catalog_pages/BUS_Tns_12X_Shortstop_CB.pdf


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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by fwunder


So in my install do you think it matters was side of the breaker my power leads should be?



Personally I would hook to the load side of the breaker.  That way your new wiring is protected too.


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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 8:07pm
Thanks again. Sometimes we don't know as much as we think we do.

fred


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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: Hairy Podders
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 7:55am
...and as I said, I would source a waterproof one. Since they do not like water intrusion. If that is a factory part, I'll have to check our '14 178 for that breaker. I will be looking for a source for a waterproof one. Probably a marine supplier....
These old eyes aren't as bad as the wife says they are....

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Darryl, Julie & Lindsey
Cooper & Libby- Devoted Canines
2014 RP178
2006 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon


Posted By: fwunder
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 8:39am
You'r right HP! You were right! Bussman seems to be the standard. I imagine they don't fail or are very problematic often, but definitely worth noting.

Good eyes!

fred



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2014 RPod 178 => https://goo.gl/CV446f - MyMods and Buying Habits
2008 4Runner Limited 4.0-liter V6
Yes, those are wild ponies dining on grass while dumping tanks!


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 9:21am
Yup, those are standard under-the-hood additions for brake controller installations, as mentioned above.  I've never heard of them failing or having an issue with water spray.  Under the hood is protected but hardly water proof.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 9:42am
It is a plus the breaker is "upside down".
The bottom case is essentially a "tub" so being inverted it will tend to not hold water.
However I don't like the exposed wiring where all the connections for running lights/brakes/turn signals/DC feed are connected.   Some day when I get time I'll enclose them all in a plastic box to keep road spray off.
 
BTW when we picked up our 179 I found the left and right turn signals were reversed...it was corrected by swapping the wires in this location where the connections are made between trailer and pigtail wiring...so much for FR's much touted QC process- the factory sure didn't check the lights on my unit!Ouch


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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 10:15am
The factory installer must have blinked when he was hooking those wires up, that's how he got them mixed up.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 09 May 2014 at 4:47am
Actually the color codes were correct at the junction point-   whoever ran them at the back reversed them to the lights somewhere along the way..
Maybe wiring ran right after lunch at the local brew pub?Confused




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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: retireclose
Date Posted: 15 May 2014 at 9:52am
I'm installing (2) new 12v runs.  Does it matter where the in-line 15a fuses go.  Closer to the converter or closer to the 12v adapter?

Thanks
Gary


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Gary and Jill Winters
Bella Golden Retriever
2014 Silverado 1500
2015 R-Pod 179 -(SOLD)


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 15 May 2014 at 10:44am
As a rule, breakers and fuses should go as close to the source as possible.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: retireclose
Date Posted: 15 May 2014 at 2:41pm
I have three unused 12v slots on my converter.  If I connect to those I won't need in-line fuses.  Is this correct?  I'm also using 10 weight stranded wire.

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Gary and Jill Winters
Bella Golden Retriever
2014 Silverado 1500
2015 R-Pod 179 -(SOLD)


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 15 May 2014 at 3:38pm
Correct.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: retireclose
Date Posted: 15 May 2014 at 7:28pm
Thanks

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Gary and Jill Winters
Bella Golden Retriever
2014 Silverado 1500
2015 R-Pod 179 -(SOLD)



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