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Topic: Advise re: tires not sitting straight vertically
Posted By: sbeninga
Subject: Advise re: tires not sitting straight vertically
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2024 at 4:48pm
I purchased a 2019 10th Anniversary R-Pod 190 back in October 2020.  It had two previous owners who barely used it.  I have taken it on a few 3 week trips as well as a 5-month trip 2 years ago.  Anyway, needless to say I need to get new tires.  The R-Pod is a Hood River edition and the original Westlake off-road tires are still on.  I have really bizarre wear on the tires where the tread will be high in one area and right next to it it will be really worn.  
I have been reading as much as I can on the message boards.  I had been discussing it with my travel partner who I follow on trips and sometimes she follows me.  She told me that from behind she can tell that the tires are not sitting straight vertically.  I stopped at America's Tire Store to ask if they can help and of course they can help with the tires but not the other issue. Then I stopped at an RV place that I have had repairs done before and he gave me the name of a tire and alignment place in Sacramento that they take all their RVs to.  I have an appointment Tuesday to take my R-Pod to for them to check out.  When I spoke to them on the phone he said that if it has a leaf spring axle they adjust it but if it is a torsion axle they can't.  Before I discovered that mine is a torsion axle they were going to charge $250 for an alignment but now they will do a diagnostic for $100.  
If any of you have had this experience and have suggestions or helpful information it would be much appreciated!!




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Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2024 at 9:11am
Without seeing your rig all I can do is assume, but with some certainty, I can say you have a bent axle. I would take your trailer to a frame and axle shop. In some cases, they may be able to bend it and correct the issue, however most likely, you will have to have the axle replaced. 

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Kawasaki KLR650


Posted By: sbeninga
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2024 at 2:13pm
Thanks so much for your reply!!  Do you know if this common with the R-Pods? 


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2024 at 2:33pm
It's common on torsion suspension axles (I had to replace both axles on my '23 tandem axle camper) and especially on campers like the Rpod where the axle significantly extends beyond the frame.

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Kawasaki KLR650


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2024 at 10:27am
It's not an issue with the torsion axle. The issue is the way the axle is cantilevered out beyond the frame. One or two hard bounces (or potholes) can bend the axle. Search this forum for bent axle and you will find a number of solutions to the problem. The same problem would exist even if it had leaf springs.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2024 at 10:41am
One way to definitively know about the tires is to use a level. make sure the tires are properly inflated before doing this test. Place a level vertically on the tires so that it is touching at the top and bottom(12 and 6 clock positions). the level should show the bubble in the middle of the range.  Actually, this shows that the tires are plumb(90degrees to the flat ground) or how far out of plumb they are. 
 
somewhere in the past is a post using a stretched  string line from both ends of the axle which should show how much the axle is bent.  As I recall, there should be a slight(1/8"+/-) rise in the center. There also was several posts about using 2"x2" angle iron secured by U Bolts to reinforce  the axle and help it remain straight. Perhaps you can search for these  in the forum search function

Travel safe and often
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2024 at 10:57am
Originally posted by GlueGuy

It's not an issue with the torsion axle. The issue is the way the axle is cantilevered out beyond the frame. One or two hard bounces (or potholes) can bend the axle. Search this forum for bent axle and you will find a number of solutions to the problem. The same problem would exist even if it had leaf springs.


Well, actually, it is a problem with torsion axles, especially with torsion axles used in tandem applications. Tight radius turns put strain on the spindle assembly and bend the spindles. The axle housing doesn’t actually bend. The only safe resolution is full axle replacement. On the Escape forum, even single axle trailers experience this, especially ones that go a lot of miles. Granted, Escape uses Dexter and not Lippert.

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Kawasaki KLR650


Posted By: sbeninga
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2024 at 11:07pm
Thank you so much for your reply gpokluda!!


Posted By: sbeninga
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2024 at 11:08pm
Thank you so much for your reply GlueGuy!!


Posted By: sbeninga
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2024 at 11:10pm
Thank you so much for your reply Vann!!


Posted By: sbeninga
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2024 at 9:23pm
Ok, I just found out this afternoon that my axle is bent.  I can do a full axle replacement (ouch$) but nothing guarantees that I won't be right back in this situation a month or a year from now.  I sure don't want to spend that much money again.  So I can either sell the R-Pod and disclose it or fix it and then sell it. I just feel that the 3,500 axle limit isn't as heavy duty as it needs to be.  Any thoughts on what I should expect for cost or any other things that I should think about are appreciated!!  I really appreciate you taking the time to reply!!


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2024 at 9:34pm
You can expect to pay about $400 for a new axle which includes new brakes. An additional $200 for installation plus tires if the ones you have are shot. So probably just under $1,000.

We put almost 60k miles on our Rpod 179 without bending an axle but we still were very careful not to overload the trailer. Hey are great campers but will need continual care and feeding. That’s the reason we went with a higher end camper.

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Kawasaki KLR650


Posted By: sbeninga
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2024 at 3:28am
Originally posted by gpokluda

You can expect to pay about $400 for a new axle which includes new brakes. An additional $200 for installation plus tires if the ones you have are shot. So probably just under $1,000.

We put almost 60k miles on our Rpod 179 without bending an axle but we still were very careful not to overload the trailer. Hey are great campers but will need continual care and feeding. That’s the reason we went with a higher end camper.

I would love to find an axle for $400!  I called Lippert Components a couple of days ago and the man that I spoke to said $900 for the axle plus 1-2 hours for install time. He did mention that I could just get the axle "bar" for $350-ish. I asked for a guess for shipping costs and he said for example if they just shipped the axle bar it would probably cost $350.  If I decided to just do the axle bar he said that the labor time would be approximately 2 hours.

So it looks like you used to have an R-Pod and now you have an Escape?  May I ask what your tow vehicle is?

My initial response to all of this is to sell the R-Pod for fear that the axle might bend again and I would be right back in this $ situation again.  The more that I am thinking about this tonight I am wondering if I replace the axle if I could avoid the axle bending again if I just make sure to take it easy with my R-Pod as far as bad roads and really try to be aware of how much I am loading.

Again thanks for taking the time to reply!! 


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2024 at 8:19am
I noticed a few months after picking up our 177 (that was March 2011) that the slide side tire was indeed not vertical but had the typical tow-in issue.  Others at the time told us it was typical for the slide side to show that so nothing was ever done to correct the issue.  It is now 13 + years later and now on my 3rd set of tires.  After 5 years and 20,000+ miles on each set, there is a bit more wear on the inside but nothing serious, they get replaced every 5-6 years anyway.  To me it is a cosmetic thing, even though I tend to be OCD, I just live with it as it doesn't affect the towing ability.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2024 at 8:38am
Originally posted by sbeninga


I would love to find an axle for $400!  I called Lippert Components a couple of days ago and the man that I spoke to said $900 for the axle plus 1-2 hours for install time. He did mention that I could just get the axle "bar" for $350-ish. I asked for a guess for shipping costs and he said for example if they just shipped the axle bar it would probably cost $350.  If I decided to just do the axle bar he said that the labor time would be approximately 2 hours.

So it looks like you used to have an R-Pod and now you have an Escape?  May I ask what your tow vehicle is?

My initial response to all of this is to sell the R-Pod for fear that the axle might bend again and I would be right back in this $ situation again.  The more that I am thinking about this tonight I am wondering if I replace the axle if I could avoid the axle bending again if I just make sure to take it easy with my R-Pod as far as bad roads and really try to be aware of how much I am loading.

Again thanks for taking the time to reply!! 

I was basing that cost on the Dexter #10 Torflex axles on our Escape which were replaced by Dexter under warranty. Sounds like Lippert axles are rebuildable where as Dexters aren't. FWIW, the bent axles on our Escape were totally our fault and Dexter still covered them. Long story short, We used to have to "shoe horn" our Escape into a tight spot where we lived. Those tight radius turns on concrete and asphalt took a toll on the  tandem axle spindles. 

We have the Escape 5.0 fifth wheel model. Our tow vehicle is a '22 Ford F150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost. Couldn't be happier with the F150. Smooth, powerful and comfortable. I usually get 10-13mpg at 65mph in varied terrain and weather conditions.


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Kawasaki KLR650


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2024 at 9:58am
A couple things to consider with an axle replacement:  It might be more economical if you can purchase from Lippert a replacement for the damaged axle bar, then do an axle reinforcement as has been discussed extensively on this forum several years ago.  There are plenty of details in those discussion on how to go about it.  

You may also want to check with Lippert or Dexter to see if you can buy a heavier duty axle that will fit your Pod.  FR, and probably most travel trailer builders, seem to build to the absolute minimum with practically no margin of error structurally or otherwise.  

We recently had an experience with FR putting in the lowest possible capacity leaf springs on our trailer.  The leaf spring failed on the road.  When I planned the repair, I inquired of Lippert whether stronger springs were available for that particular axle assembly.  They said I could get a 200 pound better weight rating for only a few buck more.  Instead of just fixing the broken spring with the same weight rating, I got two new springs that increase the spring capacity by 400 pounds.  The difference in doing one, as opposed to both involved about an hour of extra labor.  I considered it money well spent.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2024 at 10:33am
The axle on the RP-179 is actually rated at 4000+ lbs, but is de-rated because wheels are about a foot out beyond the frame. In order to get the full load rating something has to be done to the axle to prevent it from being overloaded. Look around on this forum, as there are several "fixes" for this issue.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost



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