What’s the best way to repair the cabinet wood?
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Topic: What’s the best way to repair the cabinet wood?
Posted By: npalumbo89
Subject: What’s the best way to repair the cabinet wood?
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2023 at 10:30am
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Recently after returning from a trip I discovered the entire wooden panels that surrounds the floor vac in my 190 had worked its way free from the wooden supports behind. Looks like there were just tiny finishing nails holding it together to begin with. Doesn’t seem ideal.
Anyway. Can anyone recommend some ways to fix this outside of drilling screws through the front into the particle board support behind? ------------- Nicholas Palumbo |
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Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2023 at 2:02pm
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I just finished working on a neighbors table where one of the 6 legs broke off. Purchased from the hardware store a small bottle of Gorilla glue, it came in a 4 oz. bottle and is clear in color. Pretty simple to apply, using a spray bottle mist one side of the gluing surface with water, the other side use a small amount of the Gorilla glue and clamp. Leg is very sturdy and table (8 ft. oak) is rock solid. That should work for you w/o fussing with nails. ------------- God's pod '11 model 177 '17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake "...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." |
Posted By: npalumbo89
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2023 at 2:11pm
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Good idea. Thank you! ------------- Nicholas Palumbo |
Posted By: ArenaBlanca
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2023 at 4:09pm
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My experience with Gorilla glue is that it foams and expands. It needs moisture in order to he activated -- hence spraying one side with water. They may have reformulated it since I used it. The critical word in Jato's comment is "clamp". Figure out how you are going to clamp your repair before re-assembling the repair. Many woodworkers use brads (tiny finishing nails) as their clamps. ------------- Enjoy Life!! |
Posted By: npalumbo89
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2023 at 4:50pm
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Okay good to know. I was wondering about the spraying with water part. I’m honestly not sure how to clamp it. The wood facade with the vacuum attached only was secured by a handful of small nails to the vertical support particle board from beneath. I May have to apply pressure from the front and maybe wedge some wood between the wall and the panel I need to secure. ------------- Nicholas Palumbo |
Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2023 at 5:33pm
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It sounds like the glue that jato referred to is a cyanoacrylate glue with an accelerator spray. Gorilla glues come in many, many different types, such as the amber colored foamy stuff which is polyurethane based, and their yellowish wood glue. The number of glues on the market is mind boggling and the right glue depends on the specific application. Right now we're using Gorilla Max Strength Clear Construction Adhesive to glue cabinet end panels and door casings in place where we can't nail them. The glue came with the cabinet installation package from the cabinet supplier. It comes in a caulking sized tube and is takes about 30 minutes to solidify. The problem I've had with cyanoacrylate glues is that the bond is not very strong and it will separate if it's stressed. npalumbo89, if you can get some glue between the panel and it's underlying support, the simplest solution might be to get a small artists' paint brush into the space or fit the tip of a glue application syringe, you can apply regular old yellowish wood glue in between the separated parts, then clamp or wedge something to hold it tight while it dries and it'll be plenty strong for your purposes. The nice thing about good old yellow wood glue is that it cleans up with water and isn't messy to use.
------------- Never leave footprints behind. Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2023 at 6:27pm
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The table repaired above weighs a good 50 kg or 110 lbs. Amazing that it took about 8-9 drops for a surface that measured 2" wide by 5" long. Even with that small amount there was a small amount of clean-up immediately after clamping as the glue turned white and needed to be removed. Left the clamp on for 1 hour, hit the repaired area fairly well with a rubber mallet; it made a strong bond! ------------- God's pod '11 model 177 '17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake "...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." |
Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2023 at 7:01pm
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jato, is this a CA glue or some other Gorilla product? My experience with CA glues is that they make a strong bond with tensile strength, but if the two pieces get a sideways impact or stress they separate relatively easily. ------------- Never leave footprints behind. Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
Posted By: npalumbo89
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2023 at 7:59pm
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Now I’m confused on which glue to use haha. ------------- Nicholas Palumbo |
Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2023 at 5:30am
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Go to a local small hardware store and ask which glue they sell that would be best for that application. Personally, if it's real wood being attached to real wood, I'd use the yellow wood glue, such as Gorilla Wood Glue, and apply pressure on it, as mentioned above, until it dries. The construction glue that I mentioned would also work great, but it's messy to use and has to be cleaned up with denatured alcohol. I'll be applying more of that today to finish off the kitchen cabinets I've been installing. I'll use a pneumatic pin nailer to hold the cabinet toe space covers and corner trim in place while the glue sets. ------------- Never leave footprints behind. Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
Posted By: npalumbo89
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2023 at 6:38am
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Thanks for all of the info and suggestions. ------------- Nicholas Palumbo |
Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2023 at 9:00am
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I am an avid active woodworker and a retired residential contractor. I have used lots of glues and many different application methods. In my experience, Jato and Lostagain both have good responses about glues and clamping.Using small nails to hold until he glue dries is a great method as is clamping if possible. There are also several construction glues in caulk sized tubes that offer "instant bonding" that can be used. CA glues are valuable as well. One method that I have used successfully is to combine traditional yellow wood glue and CA glue when clamping is not an option. I apply both glues-- the traditional yellow glue for the long term bonding and apply CA glue (with accelerator on the base part) as the temporary method of holding the piece in place until the yellow glue cures. That is instant bonding without clamping(CA glue) and offers long term strength (yellow glue). Travel safe and often Vann ------------- Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179 https://postimg.cc/0zwKrfB9"> 
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Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2023 at 4:26pm
Thanks for the advice from your experience. Never thought of combining both CA and yellow glue together. Will try that on my next project, thanks!
------------- God's pod '11 model 177 '17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake "...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." |
Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2023 at 5:33pm
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Vann, I assume you apply the two different glues side by side so that they don't actually mix. Is that correct? ------------- Never leave footprints behind. Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2023 at 8:26am
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Yes, the 2 different glues are applied in different areas-they are NOT mixed. Depending on the size/location/weight etc. I use a larger amount of yellow glue for long term strength and just enough CA glue for initial adhesion. the accelerator spray makes the bond instant. Also, there are at least 3 different thicknesses (viscosity) of CA glues available. Generally the thicker glues are better for non--clamping applications. I use the thinner CA glues for gap filing and lighter applications. Also, I have black and brown CA glues for filling wood cracks/blemishes. You can buy all of the different CA glues in larger quantities (4-6 oz) than the typical"super glues" available in most stores. Starbond is a very good brand/source of many CA glues and they are also available from Woodcraft . Travel often and safe Vann ------------- Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179 https://postimg.cc/0zwKrfB9">
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Posted By: npalumbo89
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2023 at 9:11am
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Thanks for the detailed info. I May give the glue a shot. ------------- Nicholas Palumbo |