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Topic: EscaPOD Adventures - 2022 edition
Posted By: StephenH
Subject: EscaPOD Adventures - 2022 edition
Date Posted: 29 May 2022 at 12:42pm
Our first trip of the year was to travel to New York for my father's funeral service. That ended up being quite expensive, not because of our EscaPOD, but our Frontier had a rear differential problem. The truck got a new rear-end and my wallet got a lot lighter in the process. The truck had been showing symptoms of the failure, but I did not recognize them. On the trip up, they got worse, so I made an appointment to take it in to a dealer in Greece (suburb of Rochester), NY. On the way there, it was obvious something was wrong. I am just glad it did not happen while we were on the road. After that repair was done, the rest of that trip was uneventful.

Our sencond big trip of this year has indeed had some "adventures." 

We started off from our home in North Carolina on the first leg of our trip. It was to Pennsylvania for a surprise 90th birthday party gathering for a family friend. He and his wife were more like uncle and aunt, even though they were not immediately related. They were my Father's friends and we were and remain very close. There were no issues so far.

We left Pennsylvania, headed toward Utah. We got on I80 with the exception of circling south of Chicago which put us on I70 for little until we returned to I80. Ohio roads were very nice. Indiana roads were markedly worse and Illinois roads weren't much better. Still, we traveled, taking advantage of Walmart parking lots for overnight stays with the exception of one night at a paid campground to take advantage of full hookups to drain tanks and refill fresh water. Plus, it was an opportunity for a shower without risk of filling the grey tank or running out of fresh water.

Once we got through Nebraska, we started hitting some pretty significant winds. In Wyoming, we saw signs warning of winds gusting to 40 mph. The next day, we saw warnings of winds gustingt to 60 mph. It is here that because of the higher altitude and the wind that the Frontier's lack of turbocharging was evident. Our mileage which was around 12-13 mpg at the lower, flatter altitude without the headwind became around 8.5 with the climbing and headwinds. It was difficult to maintain 60 mph and we spent much of the time in a low gear with the RPMs approaching 6,000 rpm. Still we made progress.

Coming into Utah, we were on I80 approaching the port of entry near Echo Utah when we had a blowout on the door side of the RPod. I felt a thump and saw the fender sailing behind us. I slowed down and pulled off. I was already past the entry ramp to the port of entry, so I pulled off enough to be well off the travel lanes. I saw a truck hit the fender which went sailing off into the median between the north and southbound lanes. There was a section of tread on the right lane. I was able to get the tire changed. I was glad that I had bought the battery operated impact wrench. It made the job much easier. I finished putting the spare on, torquing the lug nuts, and putting the blown-out tire on the carrier. Then I got my safety vest (highly recommended to get a reflective safety vest), and set out to retrieve the tread and the fender. A highway safety vehicle pulled up to where the tread was and picked up the tread while I was on the way. They assisted me in getting across the lanes to retrieve the fender, which was mangled beyond the ability to reuse. I never did see where the marker lights went as they were not on the fender when I found it.

We finished the trip to our daughter's house. I then went to Discount Tire and purchased two Goodyear Load Range D Endurance tires, even though the one tire still had plenty of good tread on it. I did not want mismatched tires on the trailer. The spare is still a Carlisle LR-D tire, but it is the spare. I am going to have to complete our trip without one fender as it seems to be impossible to locate one while on the way.

We left our daughter's house in Utah, headed toward Arizona to see our younger daughter and our grandchildren there. Along the way, we wanted to pull off and saw an open area that looked pretty good. It looked smooth, so I didn't slow down much before pulling off -- BIG MISTAKE! We were bouncing over the hard-packed dirt worse than any time since we had the trailer. We got stopped and went into the trailer to find a big mess. That was not the worst off it though. I did notice that the frame seems to have bent just a little bit over the slide-side axle attachment point. Not only that, but two of the factory supplied outriggers that I had installed had split along the place where it bolted to the frame and the horizontal support. My homemade outriggers which were made of sturdier material did not fail. The failure of the outriggers probably prevented the frame from bending worse since the slide was then sitting on the ottomans.

We continued our trip, visiting the Natural Bridges National Monument and the Four Corners monument. I found that by jacking up the side a little, that I could get the slide free enough to not bind on the ottomans. We finished this leg of the trip to our daughter's house. While we are here, I will try to fabricate two more outriggers to replace the failed ones. I will also need to check the axle because it looks like in spite of my bracing, it may have lost its crown. I won't know for sure until I can get under there and check.

One other thing that happened was that I noticed the brakes not working well, so I found that the bearing seals had leaked. I cleaned up the brakes and they are working adequately. When we get home, they will get a gong over with new seals before our next trip. I am amazed that even with a piece of the tire wrapped around the axle that the brake wiring was not damaged. I did have to tie up the loose ends of the marker light wiring.

That brings us to the present. We are set up in our daughter's driveway. I am glad that I installed a 30A RV outlet the last time we were here. Chandler temperatures are way too high to take without the air conditioner running.

The new refrigerator is running well. It is able to keep good temperatures, even in the hot weather. We can't boondock as long, but our food stays cold.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS



Replies:
Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 May 2022 at 3:44pm
Yikes! The damaged frame/axle/outriggers scenario sounds scary. Check the camber on the wheels, if they are vertical then the axle will probably be ok till you get home at least. How much is the frame bent? Maybe a good trailer shop can s
straighten it for you? There is certain to one in the PHX metro. Once bent it will be weaker so you might want to add a 2x4 tube doubler in place of the axle lift kit as weve discussed on this forum earlier.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 29 May 2022 at 3:50pm
We won't be here long enough for me to have it looked at. I believe it is strong enough to get us home. Meanwhile, I pulled the bad outriggers off. They are of too thin a metal to take any real stress. My homemade ones held up, so I will be fabricating a couple of more over the next few days to get bolted on before we leave for home. 

Edit:  I visited Harbor Freight and bought a Titanium Flux 125 Amp Welder (inverter wire fed welder). There was a 20% off savings on it so it was a good price. I have the cheaper welder at home, but it will be replaced by this one and the other one will be donated, probably to Habitat for Humanity ReSTORE. Since this one is inverter and uses DC instead of AC for welding, it should do a better job. I did a couple of test welds, and the results look much better than I was getting with the old one. I also purchased the accessories I will need to do the welding including a self-darkening helmet.

I also visited Lowe's and purchased some angle iron and flat stock to use to fabricate the brackets. My daughter has the rest of the tools I will need. however, in order to use the 30A RV outlet as a power source, I did end up ordering a 30A male plug to 15A female socket dogbone. I have one, but it is back home in NC. It will be in Tuesday, so I will do the welding once it arrives. In the meantime, I will be cutting and bending the iron to the shape I need.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 3:43am
That welder sounds like a good deal, I think I'll check out our Harbor Freight here for one.

I agree your frame will probably be fine till you get home. Just a suggestion, you might want to relocate as much weight as possible from the kitchen storage (and maybe the spare) to forward of the axle or to the truck bed. Just in case you hit another bad set of pot holes.

Other than that the worst case scenario will probably be uneven tire wear if the axle has been decambered. With the reinforcement you have on it I'd be surprised if it's significant, I'd expect the frame to bend and outriggers to fail before the axle.




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: PilotPodder
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 5:39am
Stephen, I'm curious about the tire blow out. Was it excessively hot at the time of the tire blow out or do you attribute it to a specific road hazard or possibly tire age? Were you employing a TMPS? Glad you are ok. ~PP 

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Portage, MI — 2017 RPod 179 - sold / 2017 Toyota Tundra — https://johnmarucci.com/r-pod-video-list/ - My RPod YouTube Videos


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 11:23am
I do not have a TPMS system for the trailer. I don't think it was excessively hot since we were still at a significant altitude (which would have increased the pressure differential between inside and outside the tire but I don't know if it would have been that significant). I had noticed that that tire had wear on the inside edge and would have probably replaced it when we got to our daughter's house if it had not blown. I probably should have switched it out with the spare which was in new condition with no road miles. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20. As far as I know, I don't recall any road hazards. that does not mean that there was not something that contributed to the failure that I did not see.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 1:39pm
Wow, Stephen. That sounds like a crazy adventure. So glad you are okay, there were a few things that could have really gone south and been worse.

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 3:09pm
I'm glad I keep my speed at 60 mph or lower (with rare exceptions on steep downhill runs). I would not have liked to handle that at 70 or 75 mph. Even with the blown tire, the RPod tracked well. I don't know if the Hayes electronic sway control activated. That may have helped also.

Here's a picture of the tire:





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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 3:13pm
Glad to hear you made it safely through the tire failure.  Hope you make it home without more issues.




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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 4:04pm
Same here. I have the new outriggers cut, bent, and waiting for the 30A to 15A adapter to arrive tomorrow so I can weld them. I did have a minor issue. The T section of my Frontier's jack handle broke off when I was raising the side of the RPod. The welded area just snapped. I have a new one on order from Amazon and it should arrive tomorrow.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Linda&Gino
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 5:23pm
I keep my speed between 60-70mph as well. Not sure what y everyone's hurry is out there. I think there is a competition to see what one-ton truck can pull its fifth wheel the fastest. I keep a bottle jack in the Pod as well as a jack-stand just in case. Hope you have safe travels home.

What year is your Frontier? The rear end going out is concerning. 


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gpokluda
2017 Rpod R179 SOLD!
2022 Escape 5.0 TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 EB3.5
Triumph T120 Bonneville


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 6:15pm
It is a 2010 Frontier. It is not something I would have expected, especially since I have it in for service regularly. Hopefully, your 2016 RPod is many years away from such issues. We have over 163,000 on ours. With the age and mileage, I wold be surprised if nothing went wrong. As it is, with a new rear end, we should be set for many, many more miles. That being said, I would like to trade for something with more power. I really notice the lack of power when we are towing above 6,000 feet. A turbocharger or supercharger would make a big difference, but those are not available.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 12:19pm
Time for an update. I have completed welding, and then installing the two new heavy-duty outriggers. These won't break like the factory supplied ones did. The frame bend will have to wait until we get back home to address. I am thinking about adding a plate to each side of the frame and through-bolting it to strengthen the frame in that area. I don't know how difficult it would be to straighten the frame first.  I just looked again. There is a very slight bend on the door side and a more visible bend on the slide side to deal with once we get back.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2022 at 4:27pm
Okay. We made it home without further incident. I did take the advice and put the spare in the back of the truck and rearranged things to make the load on the back end of the RPod as light as possible. Now that I am home, I will set up an appointment to get it checked out and repaired. Hopefully, part of the repair will be to add some strengthening to the frame so it will be less likely to bend in the future.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2022 at 5:14pm
Keep us posted on what they decide to do. Thanks for the updates.

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2022 at 9:40am
Monday the trailer will be looked at and I will have a better idea of what it will take to repair it. I know some welding will be involved as I see a crack in the frame on the slide side. The good thing is that it looked to be pretty stable and did not expand any on the way home, even when we did hit some rough roads.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2022 at 10:16am
I towed our EscaPOD to Littleton, NC yesterday. Today, the frame should be straightened and reinforced. The person recommended was Andrew Smiley. He will be welding plates to the frame on the bottom behind the riser and on the side on the outside of the frame. This is in addition to welding the crack on the driver's side.

The best thing is that the cost of repair should be much less than I was expecting. I will still relay the information to Lippert, but I'm not going to try to file with insurance since that would likely lead to higher rates so paying the cost out of pocket is likely a better option.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2022 at 4:16pm
Glad you found a shop you like that was willing to take in the work. Did you end up deciding the axle camber was ok or are you having to get that recambered?

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2022 at 4:46pm
Not sure about the axle. Once the frame is straightened, then I will be able to tell about the axle better. Andrew thought it did not look bad. I also want to look at the tires for any unusual wear. They have a couple of thousand miles on them from Utah to Arizona to home.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Linda&Gino
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2022 at 4:59pm
Ditto on finding a shop. I have read where some shops aren't taking RVs over a few years old because they are overwhelmed by warranty work and can't find workers.

The whole bent frame thing has me shaking my head. Having spent years working in and owning a motorcycle shop, bent frames where something you would expect from either a serious crash or from an inferior brand like something from China. To have a frame bend from "normal" use blows my mind.


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gpokluda
2017 Rpod R179 SOLD!
2022 Escape 5.0 TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 EB3.5
Triumph T120 Bonneville


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2022 at 5:41pm
This was anything but normal use. We pulled off the road onto an area that looked like it had been graded only to find out that it was very rutted and we were bouncing quite a bit. I think the only reason the A frame did not bend also was because the trailer tray hit up against the front of the RPod (I can see the marks) and kept it from flexing more than it did.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2022 at 6:37am
But StephenH, your TV frame went over the same surface and didn't get damaged did it? And many others have reported bent axles, frames, damaged floors, slide structures, etc. You've had a bent axle already too IIRC?

My point being that lower end travel trailers like rpods are just not designed with adequate structural safety margins. They aren't required to, and consumers are apparently willing to tolerate damage to their trailers that would be unacceptable in their other vehicles.

The tongue and tongue to frane attachment does not see as high loading as the frame in the axle attachment area does, so it shouldn't be surprising that your frame failed where it did. That's because the moment due to the load at the rear of the trailer pushing down is combined with that from the torsion axle rotating upwards.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2022 at 11:42am
I can't argue with you there. I would not have thought of the frame bending. I agree that the frame is not adequate. However, until there is enough pressure on manufacturers to change, they won't.

I will report this to the NHTSB. It does look as if the axle bent again, but I will take measurements later, when it cools off somewhat outside. It is too hot right now to be doing that sort of thing.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2022 at 8:26pm
So the question becomes--
 what can an owner do proactively to reinforce the frame at the rear of the axle attachment area?
Is there something bolt-on that we can do ourselves or does it require welding? any idea of dimensions and placement? other details?
I'm sure there is a lot more to frame reinforcement than simply bolting on a metal plate to the side of the frame rail.
thanks for your thoughts, as usual they are spot on.
Safe Travels
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2022 at 9:34pm
I will have to take pictures of what was done. He welded a plate to the side and bottom. The side one goes past the riser on both ends if I recall correctly. The bottom one starts at the riser and goes back several inches. It ends up looking L shaped. A U shape would be better, but then there is the issue of access to the frame on the tank side. He said it looked as if the inside had been cracked as he remarked about rust, presumably in the crack.

It is possible that a U shape could be bolted in place, but welding is likely a much stronger way to do this. I will try to take some measurements as well as pictures to post.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2022 at 5:45am
I analysed this a few years ago when olddogsrule (IIRC) reported a bent frame at that same location. I think he ended up with the solution below.

The best way to reinforce the frame at the axle location would be to remove the riser and substitute a piece of 4x2 inch tubing (the same tubing that the frame is made from) welded under the frame.


That will both provide a 4 inch riser but also greatly strengthen the frame, much more so that just adding pieces of steel to the sides and bottom of the existing tube.

Why? Because the section modulus (the property that resists bending) of a rectangular tube increases with the square of the height in the direction the bending force is applied. So doubling the height of the frame to 8 inches increases it's ability to resist bending by a factor of 4.

That's not to say that StephenH's approach won't work, just that it's not he most efficient way to strengthen the frame. So the added steel would need to be much thicker to obtain the same results.

The welds will be less critical as well because the attachment between the two tubes occurs at the neutral axis (the location where stresses are minimized) of the doubled tube.

Whatever you do, the reinforcement should extend forward and back a significant distance from the axle attachment point or the frame will just bend again where the reinforcement ends. I did the length calc for the 179 when I looked into this before, you can use the advanced search to find it. IIRC the tube needed to extend behind the axle about 2-3 feet and 1-2 feet in front (stresses in front on the axle are lower).

Two 5ft long 4x2x0.1 steel tubes would add about 40 lbs to the rpod total weight. No too bad.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2022 at 6:34am
StephenH, good luck with NHTSA. However, I doubt they have jurisdiction unless it can be shown that this is a safety issue.

When I looked a couple of years ago I couldn't find any accepted standards anywhere for vehicle frame structural loading requirements. Only some general guidelines, nothing regulatory.

In fact, it appears that vehicle manufacturers consider this information proprietary and not for discussion outside the companies' engineering departments.

What I saw was that heavy trucks are designed to handle loads in the 2.5-3 g range. Cars and trucks (which being smaller get thrown around more) more like 3-4 g's.


When I analysed the 179 frame I got a number a bit under 2 g's at the spot where yours and olddogsrules' failed. 2 g's ain't much, I'm surprised we don't have more bent frame reported.

The axle was also good for about 2 g's. I recall about 2.5 g's at the tongue connection, so that would be next weakest spot to go.

If someone wanted to proactively beef up an rpod all around for rough roads, I'd add the 2x4 tubing both places (tongue and axle attachment) and put in a heavier axle as well. And of course the floor outriggers....

At that point it might be better to start over with a different trailer, but just because a manufacturer markets something for rough road use doesn't mean it's actually up to it, as there are no standards to assure it's strong enough.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2022 at 6:47am
I think the repairs that were done (with heavier steel than the original frame) will hold up but your solution would be better. Ultimately, we will probably look for a newer trailer, one with a walk-around bed. With all the modifications and as many miles as we have been with our RPod, it will be tough to switch though.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2022 at 9:14am
I think the repairs will hold up too. It's not like you're going to plan on hitting some more huge pot holes again anytime soon.

I'm a little surprised that your axle got bent because you already had that well reinforced. What are your plans for that?

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Linda&Gino
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2022 at 5:06pm
Based on the anecdotal information on this forum and others, something happened with Forest River's quality control around 2016-2017. Our 179 indicates it is a 2017 model, but it wears the green colors of the 2016 variety and not the blue. Additionally, despite some really rough treatment over its 45,000+ miles, including thousands miles on forest roads and BLM land, it has not experienced nearly the same number of issues as later models (knocking on wood as I write this), so I am grateful for that. It's the build quality inconsistency that I find interesting, especially in this day and age of improved manufacturing methodologies. It's almost like we are talking about a GM/Ford/Chrysler car built in the 70's!

Hopefully feedback is making it back to FR and they act on it so future buyers won't have to worry about these things.


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gpokluda
2017 Rpod R179 SOLD!
2022 Escape 5.0 TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 EB3.5
Triumph T120 Bonneville


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2022 at 6:07am
The frame and axle designs of the 179s (which were sourced from Lippert) didn't change during that period so I don't think those issues can be attributed to quality control at FR. The floor problems quite possibly can.

We need to remember that most owners never have the frame and axle problems. That means that they are low probability events, likely in the range of hundreds of thousands of miles between them. So statistically one trailer travelling 50k miles is nowhere near enough. You would need to collect data from hundreds of owners travelling tens of thousands of miles to be able to estimate the overall frequency of occurence, let alone differences between model years.

So what do engineers do to identify and correct problems when they don't have access to sufficiebt statistical data to work with? They evaluate by analysis and calculation. Which is what I did.

IOW, you have to trust the math.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Linda&Gino
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2022 at 10:18am
True. As we have seen throughout history and in recent years, math and science can be used to tell all kinds of stories.

At the end of the day, it is the owner who has to determine their use case and where they are willing to compromise to reach their intended goal(s)


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gpokluda
2017 Rpod R179 SOLD!
2022 Escape 5.0 TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 EB3.5
Triumph T120 Bonneville


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2022 at 10:34am
I also think there's a tangible difference between the various factories FR uses. I don't believe they transport new trailers over the Rockies (at least not typically), so there is probably a difference between western trailers and eastern trailers.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost



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