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Topic: Visiting Family with my RV
Posted By: pearlhiggy
Subject: Visiting Family with my RV
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2022 at 5:19pm
Hi,

I will be spending the Memorial Day weekend with family, so my camper will be parked in their driveway.  LOL.  My fur babies don't get along with theirs, so this way I can visit and we have our own place.

My question is.  I will only use the facilities at night for getting up to pee.  What do I need as far as water goes?  Can I put water in my water tank and just use that for flushing and washing hands?  

I am not sure what I am going to need to do?

Thank you so much for the help.
Smile


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The Higgins' Girls,
Pearl, Zoey Marie & Riley Ann
2017 Rpod 179



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Posted By: Rpod-Couple
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2022 at 6:54pm
You can take water in your tank or hook up to an outside faucet. Use a pressure regulator between the faucet and hose like you would at a campground water hookup. You will have to dump your black tank at a facility that excepts dumping. You should be able to let your grey tank dump on the driveway since it is only a small amount of soapy water from washing your hands - no different then people washing their car in the driveway. But you want to be discrete so people don’t think you are dumping more than soapy water. 😉

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Steve & Elaine
2021 R-pod
2023 VW Atlas Cross Sport


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2022 at 7:36pm
Don't dump from the grey tank in the driveway. Treat it just as if it were the black tank. The grey tank can breed bacteria also. In fact, in North Carolina, it is illegal to dump grey water that has been held in a tank. You can save up that grey water and use it to flush out the sewer hose after you dump the black water tank. That will be a much better use.

Now, for some other useful details. Get a good biological treatment for your tank. Never use one with formaldehyde, especially if it needs to be dumped in a septic tank. TankTech's Rx, Unique Products RV Digest-It, Happy Camper, and others are good choices to use. When you use the toilet for #1, it is not an issue. However, for #2, the key is lots of water. Fill the bowl about half-way. Cross some paper over the top of the water. When you are done, add more water and then open the valve quickly to let the waste drop into the tank. The extra water and the biological treatment will help break down the waste and paper so when it is time to flush the tank, it will flush out more thoroughly. Also, don't be in a rush to dump the black tank. Let it get about 2/3 full before you dump. The volume of contents will help flush out the contents also.

The fresh water tank should be sanitized before you use it. Add about 10 gallons of water (no need to be precise). Add 3/4 cup bleach (make sure it is just bleach, not the ones with detergents). Then fill the tank the rest of the way. Run the faucets until you smell chlorine, starting with the ones nearest the tank and moving to the ones farthest away. Don't forget the shower and outside shower if you have one. Top off the tank. Also, this should include your water heater. The chlorine won't hurt the anode rod. If you intend to use the water heater, it needs to be filled and sanitized anyway. Let this sit overnight (or about 8 hours). Drain this water. Fill the tank with fresh water and flush this through the lines to purge the sanitizing solution. You may wish to drain and fill again to minimize the chlorine taste. You can also use some baking soda dissolved in water to help when purging the chlorine sanitizing solution. Once that is done, your tank will be ready for use.

Have fun driveway camping at your family. I've driveway camped a number of times.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: pearlhiggy
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2022 at 8:16pm
I don't want to hook up to their water, just there electric.

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The Higgins' Girls,
Pearl, Zoey Marie & Riley Ann
2017 Rpod 179


Posted By: 1nana2many
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 5:55am
StephenH gave you excellent advice. Basically, that is how to dewinterizing your camper and set it up for camping. I second his opinion on using a good brand of biological tank treatment. The brands he mentioned all get great reviews and do much more then just cover the odor with a scent like many of the ones you can find at chain stores. They cost more, but you don’t use a lot to get great results. We switched to Happy Camper several years ago and are still using the original container we bought then. If you need step by step instructions go to YouTube and find John Matucci’s Rpod videos and look for dewinterizing your Rpod. He has many good videos that might be of help if you are brand new to RVing.

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The mountains are calling and we must go...O.D., Keith & Jody
2016 RP179= O.D. (Olive Drab)
2008 Coachman Captiva
1993 Jayco 1206 popup
2016 F150 Supercrew


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 6:12am
StephenH raises an interesting point about gray water.  He's absolutely right that gray water can have bacteria bits in it, but as water becomes more scarce some are taking a second look at how to manage gray water.  Back in the olden days, 1975, we had to live with water rationing due to a drought.  The water department of the town where we lived recommended using gray water to irrigate the yard.  We did it and our landscaping survived the drought and thrived.  Now, some more advanced building codes are separating household drain water, black vs. gray, and allowing gray water to be reclaimed and used for landscaping irrigation.  As long as there are no serious infections in the household and no exotic chemicals are put into the drain, the gray water does quite well in a garden with what ever organic debris in it being composted in the dirt.   http://modernfarmer.com/2017/03/laundry-garden-irrigate-graywater/ - https://modernfarmer.com/2017/03/laundry-garden-irrigate-graywater/

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: pearlhiggy
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 6:41am
Thank you for all the tips and tricks.

I purchased 3 of the 6 gallon Heavy Duty Water Containers.  
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00336SBUE 
Can I fill these, put in my car, when I get to my family's house, can I fill my water tank and use that water?  The other question is, if I do, and I don't use it all, now I have to drive with that water in the tank.  Is that a good idea?

I have watched many of John's videos.  I will watch the dewinterizing one too.  The people I bought the camper from had winterized it, so I will have to dewinterize it before it's voyage Memorial day weekend.

Thank you so much.
Pearl


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The Higgins' Girls,
Pearl, Zoey Marie & Riley Ann
2017 Rpod 179


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 7:10am
There is  no reason not to use your fresh water system.  If you are going to do so, it'd be a good idea to follow StephenH's suggestion about sanitizing the tank and plumbing lines.  You can add some water to your fresh water tank on your arrival, consistent with what you think you may need for the limited purposes you described.  It is better to use a potable water hose to fill your fresh water tank.  If you don't have one, they're available at RV stores and on Amazon.  

If you don't use all the water, you can just leave it in the tank or drain it.  If you leave it in the tank, keep in mind that critters can grow in it as the trailer sits parked in the warm sun.  Driving with water in the fresh water tank should not be a problem, provided you have balanced your load so that at least 10% of the trailer weight is on the tongue and you don't have too much weight aft.  

If you search the site, you'll find many discussions about drinking the water stored in the fresh water system.  Some do it, some don't.  Our practice is to use the fresh water system for household/washing needs, but to carry drinking water separately.  

Insofar as carrying 3 jerry cans of water in your car, that is a lot of work with some heavy containers that you may find awkward to lift.  There is no reason not to utilize the fresh water capacity in your trailer as long as you are not overloading it.  We use a jerry can in campgrounds to add water to the fresh water tank when it's not convenient to use a hose, but we carry it empty in the back of our truck.  Some campgrounds have hand pumps or spigots that are not threaded for hoses, so the jerry can comes in handy, but, ufff, it's heavy to hold while draining it into the fresh water tank port.

Good luck on your maiden voyage.




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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 7:51am
Originally posted by lostagain

StephenH raises an interesting point about gray water.  He's absolutely right that gray water can have bacteria bits in it, but as water becomes more scarce some are taking a second look at how to manage gray water.  Back in the olden days, 1975, we had to live with water rationing due to a drought.  The water department of the town where we lived recommended using gray water to irrigate the yard.  We did it and our landscaping survived the drought and thrived.  Now, some more advanced building codes are separating household drain water, black vs. gray, and allowing gray water to be reclaimed and used for landscaping irrigation.  As long as there are no serious infections in the household and no exotic chemicals are put into the drain, the gray water does quite well in a garden with what ever organic debris in it being composted in the dirt.   http://modernfarmer.com/2017/03/laundry-garden-irrigate-graywater/ - https://modernfarmer.com/2017/03/laundry-garden-irrigate-graywater/
In the event of a drought, NC does allow the use of grey water as long as it was not held in a holding tank. It can be used for non-food plants, but not in gardens where food is grown. Water has to be applied by hand with a bucket, watering can, etc. and can't be used in an irrigation system unless it has been treated. Since most of us don't have the ability to treat grey water, and since it can't be used if stored, it pretty much rules out use of the RPod's grey water tank for that purpose.

https://www.thegreywaterguide.com/north-carolina.html - https://www.thegreywaterguide.com/north-carolina.html

New York rules may be different. If anything, I would expect them to be more stringent than North Carolina's rules. When I tried to find information about it, I could not find information about residential use of grey water and commercial use required that all grey water be filtered through sand or diatomaceous earth before going into a storage tank. Thus, I would not dump grey water on the ground.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: pearlhiggy
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 8:48am
Oh, I will be doing what Stephen suggested for sanitizing the tanks.   
Thank you for all your help.
Pearl


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The Higgins' Girls,
Pearl, Zoey Marie & Riley Ann
2017 Rpod 179


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 9:24am
We have visited and "lived" in our Rpod in friends/family  driveway on several occasions.
Be aware that "most" home outlets are 15 amp service. this means that you will probably not be able to use the microwave or the AC. Take an extension cord and a 30amp/15amp reducer and plug into their outside electrical outlet and you will have power to all other electrical devices in the pod.  Use the refrigerator on electric.
Before you back into position, make sure there is adequate room for the slide to fully extend. I learned that the hard way!
also be aware that you may create a neighbor sensation and have lots of curious visitors. So keep the pod neat and clean!!
Safe travels
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 9:26am
Building codes and health regulations vary considerably from state to state, urban vs. rural vs. suburban, regarding how and whether gray water may be used for non-consumption purposes such as irrigation.  It is an issue that really needs further research to assess the safety concerns.  Part of the problem is that gray water contains organic materials, such as bits of food waste, but also a toxic brew of household chemicals.  My personal view is that household gray water that contains only organic and bio-degradable, non-fecal, materials, will ultimately be used as reclaimed water for landscape irrigation, especially in a sub-surface distribution system.  It is probably no more hazardous than water put into a septic leach field, probably less.  Like non-fossil fuel energy sources, it is a developing story.




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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 2:11pm
The setting can have a lot to do with it.  On a 48,000 acre ranch in Montana dumping grey water is probably more acceptable than doing the same thing in Upper Montclair, NJ.  Pretty much regardless, it's inadvisable without the property owner's informed consent.  The caveat being that without a couple of college level courses and analysis of the grey water in question, informed consent isn't likely.  Just haul your waste away with you with when you leave and stop at a dump station on your way home.  Not that complicated.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 01 May 2022 at 3:03pm
After reading all the 'rules' and 'laws' concerning dumping gray water it makes me appreciate the fact that I live in a rural area in northern Michigan.  Lots of orchards, golf courses and lakes.  No problem dumping or using gray water in orchards, using to irrigate large expanses of turf, or plain dumping it on my 20 acres.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 03 May 2022 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by jato

After reading all the 'rules' and 'laws' concerning dumping gray water it makes me appreciate the fact that I live in a rural area in northern Michigan.  Lots of orchards, golf courses and lakes.  No problem dumping or using gray water in orchards, using to irrigate large expanses of turf, or plain dumping it on my 20 acres.


Amen!  This is all a little overstated.  Toxic?  To what/whom?  Nonetheless, It's best not to put grey water into a storm drain.  As many have said, local regulations may prohibit that.  Water the grass?  Probably fine outside urban areas.

Now, the real point.  At a disaster, a shower and washing breakfast dishes uses about 3 gallons of water a day, trying to conserve a little.  Other meals are provided for me.  That will give you about 10 days of storage (you'll know the grey tank is full when the shower backs up).  You will want about half of that grey water to finish flushing the system when you dump the black tank. 

BTW, when you dump the black tank, use the black tank flush liberally (minutes) to get the stickies out.  They will build up and cause odor if you don't. 


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John
'16 R-Pod 180


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 May 2022 at 6:12am
Originally posted by lostagain


Building codes and health regulations vary considerably from state to state, urban vs. rural vs. suburban, regarding how and whether gray water may be used for non-consumption purposes such as irrigation.  It is an issue that really needs further research to assess the safety concerns.  Part of the problem is that gray water contains organic materials, such as bits of food waste, but also a toxic brew of household chemicals.  My personal view is that household gray water that contains only organic and bio-degradable, non-fecal, materials, will ultimately be used as reclaimed water for landscape irrigation, especially in a sub-surface distribution system.  It is probably no more hazardous than water put into a septic leach field, probably less.  Like non-fossil fuel energy sources, it is a developing story.



Most jurisdictions don't distinguish gray and black water because if you leave gray water in a tank for even a short time it undergoes anaerobic decomposition, becoming blackwater. Approved graywater systems discharge the gray water immediately into the root zone of intentionally designed planting areas so that it stays aerobic. There was lots of work done a couple of decades ago in this area before people realized that a standard septic leach field works about as well environmentally for a residence application, and is much easier and more foolproof.

So if you do have approval from the owner to do graywater discharge then is best to just let it run out into the vegetation rather than store it in the tank for awhile first. Leave your gray tank valve open, use a long hose running downhill, and move the hose around every day or so. Avoid chemical use and cleaning of fecal matter in the sinks. That's what I have them do when I have relatives staying in RVs here on my little farm.

For blackwater I have a blueboy and let them borrow my riding mover to tow it over to a sewer line to my septic tank. They get to do that job all by themselves.

As for this and renewables being developing stories, that is true if by development you mean developers, not r&d engineering. All this stuff is well understood and mature technically so it's a matter of developers and financiers putting in projects at this point.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: richardd
Date Posted: 04 May 2022 at 4:05pm
I bought my 171 R-pod new in 2016. I live in it now. I have never used the black tank. Wouldn't want to have to dump it, smell it, think about it, or clean it. I use a 5 gal bucket with with 8 gal bags, doubled. Only when essential. Leaned that from Bob Wells' videos about keeping it simple. Perfect solution. Mostly, I know where the nice public bathrooms are. But if you're not a single person, this might not work for you! Works for me!


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 04 May 2022 at 5:16pm
Richard, how do you take care of ensuring that your 8 gallon bags of stuff are dumped into some kind of a sanitary sewer system?  I think I'd rather dump a porta potty like I had on my first sail boat, since it is pretty easy to pour the contents of the small holding tank into a toilet.  I hope you're not throwing the bags into the trash.  That could present some real hazards for folks who collect the garbage and work at the transfer station and dump.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: richardd
Date Posted: 04 May 2022 at 6:58pm
It's not 8 gallons full, only use it once and discard. The 8 gal bags fit nicely into the 5 gal bucket. With a toilet seat from Walmart. Double bagging insures it is sealed up, then into a suitable receptacle. Not for the faint hearted. Necessity is the mother of motivation! No footprints left behind!

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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 05 May 2022 at 5:55am
It isn't the receptacle that is the issue, it's the bag being punctured by other stuff and the exposure of folks who collect and handle the trash.  They get a daily dose enough from disposable diapers with full loads too.  I'm glad I don't drive one of those D-10 cats pushing the garbage around with the wind swirling the debris around them.  I hope they have very good filtration respirators.  Don't step in it.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: richardd
Date Posted: 05 May 2022 at 6:22am
Life is messy! Happy Cinco de Mayo and National Day of Prayer everybody!



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