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Topic: Refrigerator question
Posted By: ArenaBlanca
Subject: Refrigerator question
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 6:41pm
We have a 195 which has a nice large refrigerator.  But it only runs on shore power or propane.  How does one handle a long ferry ride when these are the only two options?  Most ferries that I have been on require the propane to be shut off during transit and by long ferry ride, I'm talking about something like the ferry from Nova Scotia to Newfoundland or possibly the boat road back from Alaska.  I'm pretty sure the refrigerator would maintain a food safe temperature of 2-4 hours if the door was kept closed. 

We are in the planning stages for upcoming trips and want to be prepared.  Thanks for the input.

P.S.: A friend mentioned a lithium ion battery pack and a inverter but the package he showed me was $3,900 US plus tax and shipping.  I don't feel that is a viable option.


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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 7:26pm
Even a Lithium Iron Phosphate battery pack would not be sufficient for multiple-day operations like you are picturing. Nova Scotia to Newfoundland, maybe but a multi-day trip like Alaska to Bellingham, WA is likely not possible. As much as possible, limit the perishables to that which will fit in a high-quality cooler with ice. I think that will work better and will sure cost a whole lot less than the battery pack and inverter. You can buy a quality cooler and a lot of ice and save the money for the trip.

Check out this link for some cooler reviews:   https://huntingwaterfalls.com/best-coolers-ice-retention/ - https://huntingwaterfalls.com/best-coolers-ice-retention/

We have a Lifetime cooler that we purchased on our last trip out west when our refrigerator's electronics died and we had no refrigeration. I agree with the review on the site that the Lifetime cooler, while not the best in ice retention, is the best value.


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StephenH
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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 11:20pm
This might be something to consider https://smile.amazon.com/Portable-Multiple-Recharge-Outdoors-Off-Grid/dp/B091Y65ZS5/ref=sr_1_4?crid=353YXR7P4ZQF4&keywords=ecoflow+river+pro&qid=1646543537&sprefix=eco%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-4 - https://smile.amazon.com/Portable-Multiple-Recharge-Outdoors-Off-Grid/dp/B091Y65ZS5/ref=sr_1_4?crid=353YXR7P4ZQF4&keywords=ecoflow+river+pro&qid=1646543537&sprefix=eco%2Caps%2C251&sr=8-4

There are options that could keep your fridge going for a good while.  The advantage over a cooler is that you could use this for other things while boondocking.  Of course you could use a good cooler when boondocking too.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 3:36am
I'd vote no this if you have a 12V compressor fridge. You don't want to use solar to charge a battery, then discharge it through an inverter, then to the battery charger to charge another battery, then to discharge it to a fridge which could run directly from the battery and solar instead and avoid all those losses. And if you have an absorption fridge you shouldnt try to run it in electric mode when off the grid. Better to just get a second house battery, the solar, and a solar charge controller.




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 6:17am
As in the original post, gas is not available due to it needing to be locked out while aboard the ship. AC is not available to run the refrigerator and the model in question does not have a DC option.

Solar would likely not be possible. For one, the R-Pod would be inside the body of the ship and likely not out where it could get sunshine for solar panels. I don't think the operators would allow the set-up of such a solar kit as people are usually not even allowed to go on the vehicle deck while the ship is moving. Even if it were in the open and setting up solar panels would be allowed, that would depend on the availability of sunshine. When we went to Alaska, it was the rainy season and we saw very little sunshine. For that reason, a cooler with ice is still the best possible solution, and can be useful not just for the ferry trip, but for other extended trips also when the capacity of the normal refrigerator is too small.

One other possibility is that if you would be in a cabin that has electricity, consider a compressor cooler such as this: 
https://www.amazon.com/COSTWAY-Refrigerator-53-Quart-Compressor-Operating/dp/B083QYX33N/ - https://www.amazon.com/COSTWAY-Refrigerator-53-Quart-Compressor-Operating/dp/B083QYX33N/
It will be much more energy efficient than a thermoelectric cooler and can be a freezer as well. Thermoelectrics are cheaper, but will kill the battery quickly. However, if you can move it to a room and use AC, it would not be an issue.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 8:09am
The EcoFlow power banks don't require solar at all.  They can easily be charged by AC when it's available and discharged over time.  One or two power banks might not be enough for a multi-day ferry ride, I don't know; you'd have to do the math.  I don't recommend this, or not, I'm just saying it's an option.  Maybe not so great if its only purpose would be to keep food cold for a while.

Of course it's inefficient, but I don't think one cares about that under the circumstances.  There is no efficient way to generate or store power when essentially boondocking.  It's all relative and almost all that matters is what works for you.  As noted, a power bank works in other situations besides ferry rides too.

Just an idea, but it might be worth checking with the ferry operators to see if shore power might be available for an extra fee.  I've never heard of a ferry offering it, but the bigger boats do have it on board.  It would probably involve loading early to get you near an outlet.  I can think of various reasons they wouldn't offer it if they could, not the least of which would be the liability of a hot power line running across a metal deck.  Just the trip hazard would probably be a deal breaker.

I have one of the EcoFlow power banks because our home is subject frequent power outages.  My wife can plug in her oxygen concentrator and press 2 buttons and be good for 20 hours.  Plenty of time for me to get home from work and crank up the generator outside. No solar.  Very inefficient.  Easy and it works very well.

I'm also thinking about getting a telescope that requires power.  These power banks are small, very portable, and silent, so I'd likely use it for that too.  Efficiency isn't even part of the equation.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 2:19pm
I think the battery/inverter package products are fine if you have a low power ac load to run for a limited time. If you have a DC load or any load with high energy demand (low power for a long time or high power for a short time) then not so much. In those cases directly running from DC with our without solar or running a generator is much better. I just use my Honda 2k for that.

If thst can't be done due to unique circumstances then a different method needs to be found. In this case ice is a good suggestion. Dry ice might be better for a one shot deal as it will maintain the fridge longer lb for lb and leaves no residue.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 2:36pm
The OP has a propane/AC only fridge.  I doubt he'd be able to use a generator on a ferry.  If this is indeed a one-off or rare situation a cooler and ice or dry ice is probably best.  I really like dry ice.

The other thing that might be better than all of this is to have the fridge empty for the start of the ride and stock up on perishables when you disembark.  Maybe not a perfect idea either, but being able to go with a smaller Yeti could save hundreds of dollars.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 4:49am
2 votes for Dry ice if you can't leave the fridge empty.

It generally comes wrapped in paper which will insulate it so I'd doesn't freeze the food. Some temp monitoring and adjusting the amount of paper coverage would be needed to keep the fridge temps where you want them.

I would suggest pre conditioning the fridge contents while you still have power, then put in at least 5 lbs per day of travel, and keep everything closed up.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 6:21am
We have the same refrigerator as the OP.  With a little planning, you should be able to last a day or two, maybe three, with no LP or AC to run the refrigerator.  Dry ice would probably be the best option, but it's difficult to find in many places.  

You can also use regular ice.  The best is to use paper milk cartons with the little lid on top.  Fill them with water and freeze them, then put them in the fridge to keep it cold.  If you have a good quality ice chest, you can freeze the cartons at home and put them in the chest.  We have a Lifetime chest and had ice last over a week, with not that much melting.  Just try to keep it closed as much as you can and before you reach the point at which you can't run the refrigerator, cycle the cartons through the freezer to refreeze them to have as many frozen solid as possible.  Avoid opening the refrigerator during the time you can't run it, except to cycle the cartons through from the ice chest.  This method can give you two or 3 days of adequate cold, unless the weather or the place where the trailer is parked in the ferry is hot.  I've never taken a ferry from Seattle to Alaska, but I have sailed off the San Francisco coast and can say with some confidence that it's not likely you'll have hot weather along the north east Pacific coast.  Best of luck in your travels.


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Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: ArenaBlanca
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 9:02am
I really like this forum. I appreciate all the input. We are planning on trying to take the 195 to Alaska this summer and are probably going to try driving (if we can keep the fuel costs under $5,000 US).

I'm looking ahead to going back to Newfoundland again and know there is a potential 12-16 hour ferry ride.  And Daddy always told me, "prior planning prevents poor performance" so I plan way out in the future.  I also think Forest River made a poor design decision when they took the 3 way refrigerator out of the R-Pod.

Thanks again for the input. 


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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 9:20am
ArenaBlanca, the third option, the battery, would not really work.  Your batteries would be dead in a very short time.  

When we bought our Lifetime ice chest, it was when had our rPod 172 with it's tiny 3-way refrigerator.  We were pleasantly surprised at how cold the stuff we stashed in the ice chest stayed, even when we camped in the AZ desert.  The key was to keep it in the shade and open it very rarely.  We've also had some cross country trips with our larger trailer and fridge and ran out of gas on one occasion without realizing it.  The fridge had nothing to power it for many hours before I realized what had happened.  The refrigerator stayed plenty cold.  If you plan ahead and freeze some milk cartons filled with water, and put them in the fridge (below and in the freezer) you'll have no problems for the ferryboat time you anticipate.  The more you can fill all the empty space in the fridge and freezer with ice in milk cartons, the better.  Ice keeps stuff cold while air space quickly warms up.  Ice is kind the opposite of thermal mass and is slow to warm up.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 9:32am
+1 on the 3 way and battery operation. We had two 6V GC batteries and in less than 12 hours, the refrigerator was beeping. 12V operation is pure resistance heat and will chew through the battery/batteries in short order. Ice, regular or dry, in the refrigerator or in a good ice chest is your best option.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 4:17pm
We have used an Engel cooler for years. We freeze gallon milk jugs and put one at each end.  the key for us is the insulated wrap that we amde.
We bought Reflectix at Lowe's and built a cover. We spent about $45. We taped the edges with special Rflectix tape. We ahve used this for over 3 seasons and it's still intact after a few repairs with more tape. It will keep ice for 4-5 days easily when exposed too direct un.
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