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Topic: V8 or V6 Twin Turbo pickup?
Posted By: geewizard
Subject: V8 or V6 Twin Turbo pickup?
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 8:32am
I'm contemplating a new pickup.  I now have a V8 and know nothing about the reliability, real-world towing experience, or maintenance cost of a V6 twin turbo engine.

Anyone out there with actual experience towing with a V6 twin turbo engine?


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC



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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 9:21am
I know lots of people towing with the F150 ecoboost. Many with campers nearly twice the size/weight of a Pod. Not many complaints. My brother tows a Livin' Lite 21RBS with one, no issues or complaints about it's towing capabilities or performance.


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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 10:09am
We love our twin turbo V6 F150. It pulls like a diesel, but purrs like a kitten. It produces near-peak torque starting at around 1800 RPM. and the torque curve is nearly flat all the way to redline. It will out-pull a non-boosted V8 and do it all at a lower RPM. Sure, the V8 theoretically makes similar power, but it has to rev way higher to do it.

The only thing better might be a twin-turbo V8.

Ours is 6 years old this month, and it is our go-to road vehicle whether we're pulling the pod or not. When we're not pulling the pod and highway driving, we typically get 21-22 MPG. Not too shabby for a torque beast.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 10:48am
+1 to GlueGuy.  We previously has a 2011 F-150  5.0L V-8 coyote engine which pulled just fine yet as GG states it does pull even better than the V-8 and at lower rpm's, that is a huge plus in my eyes.

We drive a 2017 so not as many miles so the one to watch is GG.  Age does matter here as far as reliability and endurance.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 11:32am
How about no cylinders or turbos?

Next year, F150 Lightning. 563 hp dual motor, 775 ft lbs of torque through the entire rpm range. Fastest F150 ever.

And it'll run your house for several days in a power outage.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 11:52am
Originally posted by GlueGuy

We love our twin turbo V6 F150. It pulls like a diesel, but purrs like a kitten. It produces near-peak torque starting at around 1800 RPM. and the torque curve is nearly flat all the way to redline. It will out-pull a non-boosted V8 and do it all at a lower RPM. Sure, the V8 theoretically makes similar power, but it has to rev way higher to do it.

The only thing better might be a twin-turbo V8.

Ours is 6 years old this month, and it is our go-to road vehicle whether we're pulling the pod or not. When we're not pulling the pod and highway driving, we typically get 21-22 MPG. Not too shabby for a torque beast.


I anxiously await the coming monster.
http://www.autoblog.com/2021/06/01/twin-turbo-ford-godzilla-v8-rumor/ -
LINKY!!

There's no substitute for cubic inches. Big smile


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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 7:22pm
+1 to Glue Guy.  We just completed a cross country trip with our F-150 and it performed beautifully.  It was comfortable to drive, quiet, and never under powered.  I used to drive at 55, but crossing the country with all the trucks passing us, I bumped it up to 60 for the trip and the engine purred at 2000 rpm.  I just set the cruise control and relaxed.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 9:18am
Thanks for all the replies.

Is there more maintenance or service required for a V6-twin turbo engine versus a V8?


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 10:34am
No.  The maintenance is basically the same, but they do recommend synthetic oil.  The owner's manual also says that 87 octane gas should be used as a minimum.  We encountered 85 octane in the Rocky Mountain states and bought the more expensive 87 octane gasoline instead.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 11:57am
+1 to LA. We typically switch to premium when we're pulling the pod. We've done "some" pulling on 87 octane, and it's been fine, but if we know we're doing mountains and/or hill climbing we do try to get the higher octane fuel. This is only anecdotal, but it does seem to get a wee bit more power and is smoother with the higher octane fuel. Otherwise, it is the same kind of maintenance. 

Nothing special for the turbos, as the engineering has adjusted for the problems that some early turbos saw back in the 1980s and early 1990s. There is literally nothing in the maintenance schedule for the turbos.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 12:16pm
I was told when purchasing my 3.5 EB to let it idle for a few minutes before shutting down if it is either running in hot weather or been hauling a trailer to let the turbo cool down.  Do you concur?



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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: poston
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by jato

I was told when purchasing my 3.5 EB to let it idle for a few minutes before shutting down if it is either running in hot weather or been hauling a trailer to let the turbo cool down.  Do you concur

That's what I did with my turbo.  I rarely ran it hard, but it seemed to be a no-cost precaution that might help a little.




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Jim
Virginia City, Nevada
2016 R-pod 180
2015 Nissan Xterra Pro-4X


Posted By: campman
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 1:38pm
If I had a turbo, I would definitely give it a few minutes of cool down after running it hard on the highway...especially after towing when possible. That extra heat is best dispersed a bit before shutting down.

Andy

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Andy and Laurie
'16 F150 5.0 4X4 w/factory tow pkg
'21 RP192
"If the women don't find you handsome...at least let them find you handy!"
Red-Green


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2021 at 7:41am
Thanks all.  I'm considering a 2022 Tundra which is rumored to be coming out with a V6 twin turbo engine based on the Lexus engine.

Or maybe a Ford F-150 EcoBoost.  I need a double cab with a standard length bed.


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: campman
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2021 at 8:01am
I am always a bit leery of the first couple years when a new model or big change occurs. Might pertain to a Toyota! It is fun to have a new design but sometimes a good idea to let them get the bugs out. But, it is a Toyota after all so....It comes down to the test drive and they are fun to do.

Andy

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Andy and Laurie
'16 F150 5.0 4X4 w/factory tow pkg
'21 RP192
"If the women don't find you handsome...at least let them find you handy!"
Red-Green


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2021 at 10:26am
If the new Tundra engine is out of the ls500 then it's got a few years history behind it already. That being said, my personal preference would be for normally aspirated engines of higher volume (regardless of manufacturer). Less engine stress and complexity.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 8:22am
Originally posted by offgrid

If the new Tundra engine is out of the ls500 then it's got a few years history behind it already. That being said, my personal preference would be for normally aspirated engines of higher volume (regardless of manufacturer). Less engine stress and complexity.


I agree with higher volume, less mechanical stress and complexity.  That's the direction I'm leaning.


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 9:46am
Originally posted by jato

I was told when purchasing my 3.5 EB to let it idle for a few minutes before shutting down if it is either running in hot weather or been hauling a trailer to let the turbo cool down.  Do you concur?
That may have been true in the old days, as shutting down quickly would cause the oil in the turbos to sit and coke up.

However, the way the new turbos are designed, they have auxiliary cooling and do not get hot enough to cause the coking. That, and with synthetic oils, that kind of problem is thankfully behind us.




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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 10:04am
The extra fuel economy and consequential lower carbon emissions is an important factor to consider when choosing an engine for a TV.  Over the service life of the engine a mile or two per gallon adds up to a lot of gasoline which, when burned, dumps a lot of extra CO2 into the air.  

If one is worried about engine reliability, some manufacturers offer extended warranties for an affordable price.  We just got a 150K/6yr. transferrable warranty for all the major systems for our F-150.  Now any concerns about the reliability of the turbo engine are put to rest.

I personally would prefer to get one of the electric F-150's, but the range is completely impractical as a TV.  


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 1:21pm
It all depends on what your priorities are. I do agree that low carbon emissions are important, but if you really want to reduce CO2 then towing a travel trailer cross country is not really the way to do it. Drive a hybrid or an EV and camp in a tent.

If you value the very highest reliability then a normally aspirated engine of adequate displacement is a better choice. 150k miles is nothing these days. I'm at around 200k on both my Toyotas and only plan on selling them when I find an EV that meets my needs.

That could be the new F150. I've been waiting for the bidirectional charger feature as utility outages are common here in rural SWVA. I no longer need long distance towing as I am selling the rpod. For local towing which I do a often it's fine. I put my prepurchase deposit down on one, we'll see.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 2:47pm
Yes, it is a question of priorities.  If you were really concerned about CO2 emissions, you'd stop using any form of mechanical transportation, as opposed to walking.  Even horses and oxen would need to be avoided because they also emit greenhouse gases.  And you'd certainly not buy any manufactured product as all of them destroy the environment, whether from CO2 emissions, mining for rare earth metals for solar panels, etc. etc.  Reducto ad absurdum as the Romans say.

OG in regard to your statement that the standard ICE is more reliable than the modern twin turbos, such as the EcoBoost, please provide statistical evidence of engine failure rates from 2018 on to support your claim.  Yes older turbos may have been less reliable, but where is the data to show the newer ones are not as reliable as a standard motor?  As for how many miles people will get on an EcoBoost or similar engines engine, time will tell.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 3:28pm
An EV supplied by solar is about as green as you can get. The EPBT (energy payback time) of PV is around a year now.

We can all agree I think that historically boosted gasoline engines have had reliability issues, in aviation for example where your life depends on your engine working they have a poor reputation. So as far as statistical data that turbocharged gasoline engines are now as reliable as normally aspirated ones, I say the burden of proof lies on the proponent of the historically less reliable technology. If you are claiming that your Ecoboost reliability is now equivalent, please provide evidence of that.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by offgrid

An EV supplied by solar is about as green as you can get. The EPBT (energy payback time) of PV is around a year now.

We can all agree I think that historically boosted gasoline engines have had reliability issues, in aviation for example where your life depends on your engine working they have a poor reputation. So as far as statistical data that turbocharged gasoline engines are now as reliable as normally aspirated ones, I say the burden of proof lies on the proponent of the historically less reliable technology. If you are claiming that your Ecoboost reliability is now equivalent, please provide evidence of that.

That may have been "historically: true for early boosted engines. The early GM ones in particular were just plain disasters.

However, almost all long haul diesel tractors are boosted, and they last routinely in the neighborhood of 1,000,000 miles. The key is beefing up the crankshaft and main journals. If you look at the 2.7L and 3.5L EcoBoost engines, they have very beefy main journals with 6-bolt mains. That is extremely unusually in a gas engine, but maybe not so much in a diesel.

The V6 EcoBoost engines have been very, very reliable.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: campman
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 5:00pm
For me, the twin turbo hybrid with a big battery would be a great combination.

Andy

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Andy and Laurie
'16 F150 5.0 4X4 w/factory tow pkg
'21 RP192
"If the women don't find you handsome...at least let them find you handy!"
Red-Green


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 5:14pm
But the 3.5EB has not been more reliable than the 5.0 Coyote, to compare the two roughly equivalent Ford alternatives. Other brands might offer higher reliability.

As recently as the prior generation, 3.5EB's have had timing chain and intake valve issues. The Coyote hasn't had any particular standout reliability issues.

Then there is the potential for more problems as the engines reach a couple hundred thousand miles or more. Some folks don't keep their vehicles that long so it's unimportant to them, others do. Cost of replacing just the turbos is well north of $2k.

Neither engine is going to be a significant standout towing a light trailer like an rpod. Also according to the EPA the fuel economy of the two engines is essentially identical, so you would never get back the cost difference. If I was in the market of an ICE truck (I'm not) I'd stick with the a normally aspirated option. That's my opinion. It's not a disparagement of what others choose. Y'all enjoy your forced induction engines.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 6:54pm
If you want a simple engine, how about going back to the old Willys L134 flathead 4 with its single barrel carburetor?  Or going back to engines with magnetos instead of generators?

When overhead valves were introduced, people resisted and preferred the older flathead design.  Same for fuel injection vs. the carburetor and electronic ignition as opposed to points and condensers.  Every innovation in engine technology has it detractors who like the older simpler systems while others prefer the higher efficiency of the newer technology.

OG, your mileage assertion is not exactly right.  I suggested the turbos get slightly better mileage, a mile or two per gallon.  That is exactly what the EPA says too.  There is a mpg difference for both city and highway driving.  Over the service life of the engine, that adds up to a lot of gas.  Of course, driving style can affect mileage, but the EPA data is the most reliable available and compares apples to apples in its procedures.  I actually exceed the EPA numbers for highway driving by 3 mpg, according to the onboard data center.  

As for engine reliability, with the warranty I bought, that's Ford's problem, not mine.  I have a warranty on all the major systems of the vehicle for 150K miles or until I am 80.  I don't think I'm going to worry about engine repairs but instead will worry about getting reservations in too full campgrounds in the post Covid (hopefully) rush to resume a normal life.




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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 7:45pm
All that old engine tech had very poor reliability by today's standards. If your implication is that an engine has to have a turbocharger or two to be "modern", I don't accept that at all. As I've pointed out before the most efficient ICE vehicles on the road are normally aspirated. They utilize other technology to achieve their objectives. All ICE technology is a dead end now for that matter.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=1&year1=2021&year2=2021&make=Ford&baseModel=F150&srchtyp=ymm - EPA f150 fuel economy

Coyote 5.0 and EB3.5 have essentially the same fuel economy and annual fuel cost. Driving style is much more significant. As you point out.

If you want to save significant fuel and still want the range get a hybrid. If you really want to save fuel, get an EV and quit long distance towing. If you love your turbo then keep what you have and enjoy, just accept that that's not for everyone.



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 10:59pm
No, turbos are not for everyone.  Reporting one's experience does not mean that it is one is advocating that everyone must have a turbo any more than advocating that you like a traditionally aspirated engine means that everyone must use the engine of your choice.  This is going around in circles.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2021 at 6:20am
Originally posted by lostagain


No, turbos are not for everyone.  Reporting one's experience does not mean that it is one is advocating that everyone must have a turbo any more than advocating that you like a traditionally aspirated engine means that everyone must use the engine of your choice.  This is going around in circles.


Well we can certainly agree that we are going around in circles.

Potatos, potahtos. I for one am not advocating for either engine. I simply stated a personal preference.

If I was going to advocate for an engine it would be electric. That's ready for many uses but not for long distance trailer towing, so I won't do that on this forum.




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2021 at 10:13am
If you want to talk about reliability, turbos are not the issue. They just don't fail all that often.

If you are comparing the V6 to the V8, the latest iteration of the coyote has been having significant issues with oil consumption. It's apparently a process problem with the plasma-coated cylinders. 

To each his own. OG likes his Highlander, and that's all he needs to know.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Rosie
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2021 at 1:36pm
I have a 2012 F150 with the 3.5 EB engine.  It now has about 160K.  Has had no real issues since new.  Gets 18- 20 when not towing and about 10 average towing, regular fuel.  Everywhere we go has at least one mountain pass to concur.  As far as maintenance goes I have had to replace the plugs twice.  It will not go the 100K.  60K on originals and 75k on second set.  Have been happy with the power and ride of this truck.  Always use synthetic oil, especially with the turbos, 10K between changes.  Intercooler was replaced early on under warranty.  Truth be known it likely just needed plugs.  Anyway that is what I know. 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2021 at 3:58pm
Yep GG, I only need to know about Toyota Highlanders. I just make my decisions randomly by the seat of my pants. Like this guy.

Ignore the fact that EB engines have two separate fuel injection systems and two turbochargers, not to mention variable valve timing (yes I know the Highlander has vvt too) all run by computers. All that stuff is going to last forever and never break. Of course not, Ford says so.

I think I have it now. It must be the f150 Ecoboost cult. Turbocharged engine pickup trucks, what could possibly be better? Why would anyone want a normally aspirated SUV, haul with a utility trailer, keep their vehicles forever, and work on them themselves? That couldn't possibly be a better fit for anyone's needs.



https://youtu.be/QkYS6mpwiSM - Eco non booster

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2021 at 7:27pm
OG, if you like your Toyotas, that's great, but why do you consistently have to put down those of us who choose something that different from your personal preference?  If you google the reliability of the gen. 2 EcoBoost engines [admittedly not scientific, but neither are any of the assertions you have made] automotive writers are consistently saying that the service life of the engine is 200K or more.  Here is but one of many examples:   http://4wheeldriveguide.com/how-long-will-2-7-ecoboost-last-maximum-mileage-longevity/ - https://4wheeldriveguide.com/how-long-will-2-7-ecoboost-last-maximum-mileage-longevity/

As for an F-150 EcoBoost "cult," it doesn't come close to the true belief of the Toyota cult members.  I'm still waiting for Toyota to come clean with their sudden acceleration defect that killed too many people.  Their bogus and clumsy attempt to blame it on the driver's side carpet and operator error was nothing more than a cynical attempt to hide a serious engineering flaw.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 5:25am
LA, at what point did I put down your choice of an Ecoboost Ford engine?

This thread is directed toward the pris and cons of larger normally aspirated vs. smaller turbocharged engines.

Here was my response:


If the new Tundra engine is out of the ls500 then it's got a few years history behind it already. That being said, my personal preference would be for normally aspirated engines of higher volume (regardless of manufacturer). Less engine stress and complexity.

That is a very reasonable personal preference and is neutral with respect to manufacturer. I do not drive at altitudes over around 4000 feet, so I have no compelling need for a turbo in the arena where it has a clear advantage.

In contrast, you have suggested that I am such a Luddite about turbochargers that I should just go buy 1940's engine tech. That kind of lack of tolerance of alternative viewpoints is a hallmark of cultish behavior, as is the unacceptably of dissent.

Here is another cult like behavior for you: raising unrelated issues to distract attention. Toyota unintended acceleration claims have absolutely zero to do with the topic of this thread.

As for your reference article, the folks interviewed all had around 100k on their vehicles. But I don't really care about how good vehicles are in that mileage range. I usually buy my vehicles used with around 90-100k on them (my Highlander had 88k). So I'm interested in the reliability history of vehicles between roughly 100 and 300k. That history takes many years to aquire. It took me 11 years and 3 design generations to decide I was ok buying a Prius, even though I thought its hybrid technology was darn compelling.

In that mileage range things start to break, and more complexity means there is more stuff to break. That is my point. Most folks don't do it the way I do, which is why I stated it was a personal preference.





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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 7:33am
Lets all hug and sing kumbaya....


Evil Smile


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 8:28am
Calling those who happen to like the EcoBoost engine "cult" members is insulting, OG.  From your post:  "I think I have it now. It must be the f150 Ecoboost cult."
     Cult (from the Oxford Dictionary):
           - a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
            - a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded as others as strange or sinister.
          - a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

Everyone can choose any engine that s/he feels serves her/his needs best.  You happen to like Toyota, others Chevy, Nissan, etc.  When someone states that he has been happy with a particular engine, or vehicle for that matter, you don't need to go on ad nauseam about what a poor choice he or she made and how much better your choice is.  


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 9:31am
Show me where here I have recommended a Toyota over any other normally aspirated tow vehicle. The thread is about turbos vs non turbos, and the majority of the discussion had been about the F150 where it is possible to directly compare two engines of very similar capability, one turbocharged and one not, in a very popular vehicle.

I DO recommend the Prius hybrid for passenger car use (not for towing), I think it is a great piece of engineering. But that has nothing to do with this topic. So much for my favoring Toyota.

As far as insults go, after numerous attacks for not agreeing with the Ecoboost crowd, including a suggestion that if I didn't like EB engines I should go get an L head engine from the 1940's, I concluded that there must be a cult following there. Otherwise why not simply accept my personal preference and move on?

I suggest we do so now, we have certainly beaten this poor horse to death.


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 10:01am
DO NOT MAKE ME PUT Y'ALL IN A CORNER...


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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 11:40am
Because. Just because.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by GlueGuy

If you want to talk about reliability, turbos are not the issue. They just don't fail all that often.

If you are comparing the V6 to the V8, the latest iteration of the coyote has been having significant issues with oil consumption. It's apparently a process problem with the plasma-coated cylinders. 



This was the reason why I got rid of my F-150 with the 5.0 Coyote engine.  Oil consumption.  With only 140,000 miles we were going through 1.5 quarts of oil every 1000 miles.  After our 2019 trip to RMNP and Utah for a month I burned through 9 quarts of oil after traveling 6100 miles.  At that rate I never have to change the oil do i?  Changed to a 2017 F-150 with 3.5 eb.  Happy so far and hoping it will go as far as my old 94 F-150 5.0 V8 stick with 322,000 miles.  Still see her on the road a lot, just had to sell it after killing 31 deer and hitting over a hundred, the metal body started to show signs of wear, especially the front end but at least it had a 'killer' bumper on the front!


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2021 at 7:45am
And here I thought I'd avoid the "red pill/blue pill" controversy!

Anyhow, I do appreciate all the input on the V6-twin turbo versus V8 normally-aspirated engines.


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2021 at 8:10am
Bottom line, if you are going to buy a car or truck to tow your travel trailer, pick something that is safe, reliable, comfortable, has the needed towing capacity, and minimizes its environmental impact, that you can afford.  It's all a matter of personal choice.  The major vehicle manufacturers usually make engines that last a very long time, whether gasoline or diesel, turbo or not.  Certainly there are some notable exceptions usually found when a company experiments with new technology, but that is the price we end up paying in order to see engine technology advance.  Hopefully, in the coming years, we'll see non-CO2 emitting power plants for TV's emerge with adequate range and refueling infrastructure to make cross-country trips possible.  There will always be promoters and detractors of new technology; some touting the new stuff, while others preferring what they believe is tried and true.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost



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