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Topic: Tire Replacement
Posted By: MikeP
Subject: Tire Replacement
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 8:59am
Hi folks. Tires on my 179 are worn and needing replacements. Just curious if most buy the tires somewhere and replace themselves or is it best to take it in so they can be balanced etc.?  I have a good enough jack to do myself but I was unsure about the balancing aspect and/or anything else the shop would do that I might not think of.  Appreciate any thoughts.


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Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 9:14am
Some people order tires and have them installed at a local shop. Others buy tires locally. Personally, I use the same tire/auto mechanic shop that services my other vehicles. they ordered Goodyear Endurance tires, balanced and installed them and I am happy.
I think it is important to balance the tires on any high speed trailer.
I also think tires are vital on a single axle. I have had various cheaper tires, Maxxiis and finally the Goodyears.  There is no question in my experience that the Goodyear tire is the stiffest, smoothest running tire that I have used.   It stays inflated without losing air between trips, has adequate tread, a D load rating and has served me well. Other pod owners have had success with other brands, particularly Carlisle.
Find out what is available locally and develop a relationship with a local dealer.
Good luck-safe travels
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 10:25am
I purchased pre mounted 15 inch tires and wheels Eastern Marine and installed them at home. The savings in cost of mounting nearly paid for the larger wheels and I sold my old wheels and tires on CL and was ahead. No one wants old dismounted tires but there is a market for mounted ones.

The tires are Loadstar LRD's and both tires and wheels have 2500 lb ratings. Yes wheels are also load rated, and you are only as good as your lowest spec. I think the problems folks have had with Chinese tires are largely due to underspec'd OEM tires rather than brands.

The 15 inch 2500 lb rated tires made a huge difference. You do need a lift kit for fender clearance with the larger wheels, if you don't already have one.



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Colonel Podder
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 10:46am
I had my local tire dealer install and balance mine. I went with the GY Endurance tires as well. I pulled the wheels off in the driveway and carried them in for the tire replacement. Didn't want to mess with towing and finding a place to park, plus I'm not sure I want them jacking up my camper. 

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2021 R-pod 196


Posted By: MikeP
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 12:43pm
Appreciate the comments. Decided to pull them off and take them up to the local tire dude.  Cheers!


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MP2112


Posted By: riotkayak284
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 3:33pm
Did the same.... and great tires, well worth the money... POD tows so much better with the Endurance tires.


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 6:58am
We replaced our OEM Westlake tires with Carlisles.  The Westlakes did not last and had a rolling loss of air issue. I tried to get Goodyear Endurance, but there was a problem finding any for a normal price.  I had the tires mounted and balanced on the existing rims by the shop where we take or car and truck for service and the valve stems replaced.  I put them on the trailer myself.  Now, they hold their pressure while traveling and I am hopeful of putting many on miles on them.  I guess we'll find out when we drag our trailer across the continent for the second time this year when we relocate to CT.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: poston
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 8:16am
Originally posted by cyrus799

If you want to increase tire life, read this http://www.rvzone.com/how-long-do-rv-tires-last/ - post .

I didn't see anything in the article about how to increase tire life, just about when to replace them.



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Jim
Virginia City, Nevada
2016 R-pod 180
2015 Nissan Xterra Pro-4X


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 11:50am
Originally posted by lostagain

We replaced our OEM Westlake tires with Carlisles.  The Westlakes did not last and had a rolling loss of air issue. I tried to get Goodyear Endurance, but there was a problem finding any for a normal price.  I had the tires mounted and balanced on the existing rims by the shop where we take or car and truck for service and the valve stems replaced.  I put them on the trailer myself.  Now, they hold their pressure while traveling and I am hopeful of putting many on miles on them.  I guess we'll find out when we drag our trailer across the continent for the second time this year when we relocate to CT.  


CT? From NV? Just in time for winter. Hmmm....

Well, having just spent the summer in HI I'm heading back to VA also just in time for winter. Sometimes life gets in the way of travelling the right directions with the seasons.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 2:25pm
We have no rain in NV and no prospect for the coming winter according to the el Niño/la Niña gurus.  The smoke from the Sierra Nevada mountains burning up is just too much and you can't camp because everything is closed due to drought conditions.  There are some other reasons too, but I can't mention them on this board.  Northern NV winters are cold too and we're moving to a coastal town where it's not quite as cold.  Really, not much different than winter where we are now and a whole lot more precipitation and green.  We're looking forward to exploring New England and the Canadian maritime provinces.  Not as many public camp grounds, but plenty of places to visit.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 5:59pm
I understand completely. We left the Outer Banks for similar reasons. The East away from the coastal hurricane zones is doing better with climate issues than much of the West at this point. Hopefully you won't go from fires to hurricanes....We'll see what comes in the years ahead.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 8:05pm
At least we'll be well above the worst possible tidal surge zone, even though we're only about a half a mile from the Coast Guard Academy.  But hurricanes will still be an issue due to the wind.  Since we are on the same electric grid as the CG, our outages will generally be short since they get priority.

In coming years, there will be many more climate refugees relocating from the western states.  They'll need good tires on their trailers for all the driving, looking to find a place with water, but not under water.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2021 at 6:58am
Water required but not too much. I like that....Lots of Westerners relocating to East Hawaii too. Rains almost every night. If it doesn't its a drought. Need good tires for the mud and potholes.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Welchsoft
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2021 at 1:19pm
Looking for GY Endurance tires for my Rpod.  Out of stock around the country.  Called GY customer support who said that manufacturing for those tires is on hold until further notice. Could not tell me if that means the Endurance will not be manufactured any more or if it does start again just when that might be.  Not much help to me so I guess I need an alternative.  Given that the Endurance seems to be the most popular tire in this forum, what is your second choice?


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2021 at 5:54pm
it's more important to get tires with load ratings well over minimum requirents than tk get a particular brand. The OEM tires are marginal at best because FR saves every penny. I recommend getting tires with a load rating at least 25% higher than 1/2 the axle rating. I run Chinese tires and have been very happy with them.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Welchsoft
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 7:10am
Yes makes perfect sense.  They what US made tires might meet that criteria?  The Endurance are load range E.


Posted By: Rpod-Couple
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 10:04am
My 2021 R-pod 171 has Castle Rock ST225/75R15’s Load range D rated 2540 lbs per tire with a 75 mph speed rating. More than adequate load and speed rating for my use. Have 2000 miles on it since we purchased it in January. Have been watching them closely given the comments on the internet. 

 I have had several vehicle tire surprises over the years - 5 year old Michelin LT tires dry rotted - thankfully died while parked and not at speed. Another vehicle at the 7 year mark had two TPS valve stem sensors fail on tires that were a year old. The TPS sensors failed two weeks a part. Both times caused sudden tire deflation at 65 mph. I immediately replaced the remaining TPS sensors after the second failed. Lesson learned - replace TPS sensors when replacing tires. 

At last outing, neighbor pulled in with his late model F250 with rear fender all damaged. Tire exploded on the highway on his way to the campground. Didn’t think to ask what tire brand.

Not sure what is a “good” tire any more. I agree with having extra speed and weight margin on the tire. And seriously consider changing tires around the 5 year mark due to age. I am a believer in doing a visual tire inspection before heading out with my TT no matter what brand of tires.


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Steve & Elaine
2021 R-pod
2023 VW Atlas Cross Sport


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 10:38am
Originally posted by Welchsoft

Yes makes perfect sense.  They what US made tires might meet that criteria?  The Endurance are load range E.


The letter ratings don't tell you how much weight the tire will actually carry. 14 inch and 15 inch tires can both have the same load rating but carry different loads for example. The manufacturer should provide a load table for that.

It's possible to have too high a
load rating too, which results in
an overly stiff ride which can shake your trailer to pieces. I wouldn't go above around 150% of axle rating for the two tires combined. So that's gives you a range of 125% to 150% or so to pick from.

Proper inflation is also key. ST tires have thick stiff sidewalls which won't reject heat well if they are underinflated and flex too much. There is no good reason not to inflate ST tires to their rated pressure (cold) and keep them there. Get a TPS or check them during the day. I use an IR thermometer and check the tire temps at every fuel stop. Only takes a few seconds, and I can look for overheated bearings and brakes too.

As for US made tires with the right load ratings, all of the mfgs should have a load table available you can look at.



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Welchsoft
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 7:00am
My axle rating is 4400 pounds and the dry weight (measured when it came off the manufacturing floor) is 3594 pounds.  I've been searching like crazy and haven't found any one tire that owners have put many miles on and can recommend other than the GY Endurance.  I'm just kind of tired of searching and want to get the Castle Rocks off before I travel cross country.  Suggestions?


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 7:12am
I had Carlisle Radial HD load range "D" installed and speed balanced on my 177 this spring.  First time going to a D rated (had C on my two previous sets with no problems) and have noticed a huge difference in towing as well as minimal bounce and tire flex over rough and gravel roads.  Very pleased with them thus far.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 8:21am
Originally posted by Welchsoft

My axle rating is 4400 pounds and the dry weight (measured when it came off the manufacturing floor) is 3594 pounds.  I've been searching like crazy and haven't found any one tire that owners have put many miles on and can recommend other than the GY Endurance.  I'm just kind of tired of searching and want to get the Castle Rocks off before I travel cross country.  Suggestions?


Forget the dry weight, use the 4400 lb (2200 per wheel) and get tires that are rated between 1.25 and 1.5 of that (2750 and 3300 lbs) or thereabouts, Probably that will be a D or E but go by the load rating not the letter

In my opinion brand is a distant second and a personal choice, I personally don't pay a nickel for one brand over another unless there is a clear technical difference between the two options.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 9:16am
So how does one know which tire is better in terms of rubber compounding, quality of manufacturing and other components, tread design for optimum anti-hydroplaning, etc.? 

When I look at a tire for my car, truck or trailer, they all look pretty much the same to me except for the obvious tread pattern differences and the tread wear and weight/speed ratings.  I don't have a clue wether these round black doughnut shaped objects are good or bad.  The fact is some tires do not last nearly as long as others and are more prone to failure.  

Though brands are no guarantee of quality or the lack of manufacturing defects, one can reasonably say that brands like Carlisle and Goodyear have reputations to protect and don't want to risk losing it by putting out inferior products.  Especially in this time of social media, reputations can be destroyed almost at the speed of light. 


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by Welchsoft

My axle rating is 4400 pounds and the dry weight (measured when it came off the manufacturing floor) is 3594 pounds.  I've been searching like crazy and haven't found any one tire that owners have put many miles on and can recommend other than the GY Endurance.  I'm just kind of tired of searching and want to get the Castle Rocks off before I travel cross country.  Suggestions?

As I have mentioned numerous times here, been very happy with these OEM tires on the HRE R-Pod 195:

Westlake ST235/75R15 Radial Off-Road Trailer Tire - Load Range D


https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Tires-and-Wheels/Westlake/WST54FR.html

13k miles and going strong.  Run at 65 psi/max 65 mph, not overloaded.  Not cheap, but, as usual, you tend to get what you pay for.


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 7:24pm
Originally posted by lostagain




Though brands are no guarantee of quality or the lack of manufacturing defects, one can reasonably say that brands like Carlisle and Goodyear have reputations to protect and don't want to risk losing it by putting out inferior products.  Especially in this time of social media, reputations can be destroyed almost at the speed of light. 

It is just as likely that the incumbent brand is resting on it's laurels milking it's brand name for short term profitability while the newer market entrant has to have better quality in order to build market share. That has happened many times as CEOs have become more and more focused on next quarter's. stock price.

So personally I generally ignore brand. If there is data (specs, reliability stats, customer reviews) supporting one product over another I will pay attention to that. Overall I think I'm way ahead in the benefit to cost ratio even though I've had to replace something now and then that didn't work out. Tires have not been one of those.

As I said, it is a personal choice, if you want to buy by brand that's totally fine with me.






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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 11:08pm
So, how do you determine the manufacturing specs for any given tire?  Do you have access to the manufactures' design and fabrication specifications?  Usually, those are trade secrets and obtaining them is complicated.  All that's printed on the tire is the DOT info and with trailer tires, there isn't even a tread wear rating or heat rating.  How do you determine which tire has the best rubber compounding?  Show us some reliability statistics for travel trailer tires?  Where can we find them?  As for customer reviews, though that provides some nice anecdotal opinions of some, it is not a reliable source of information.  How many reviews are bogus or paid for by the manufacturer or competitors looking to bad mouth someone else's product?  "Customer reviews" are notoriously unreliable, especially in the days of the internet.  

As for tires, there are good ones and bad ones.  And the consequences of buying bad ones can be fatal.  Though, as I said above, brands are no guarantee of quality, the odds are in your favor of getting a better quality product from well establish brands that have many years in the business.  Certainly, in some businesses quarterly profits trump quality, but tire companies  such as Goodyear, Goodrich, Michelin, etc. that have been around for many years with pretty good products are not as likely to go the quick profit route as we have seen in other industries.  The reputational damage is just too big a risk.  

Buy what you like, but don't complain when it works out badly.  When I go to Harbor Freight, I don't expect quality, I expect a couple of uses for a throw away product.  When I want a good miter saw, I'll get a DeWalt, not a Bauer from HF.  The brand doesn't matter but the quality sure does.  




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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Welchsoft
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 6:32am
I've run Micheline LT tires on my vehicles of all types for 30 years.  Only one problem with dry rot and Micheline provided almost 100% of the value back to me.  I whish this could just be a no-brainer and buy Micheline's but realize that they don't make ST tires, although I understand that if you purchase a new Airstream and want a tire upgrade, they put on Micheline's.  So I think I'm at the point where I'll combine that importance of the load range and a brand that has a good, and long reputation for good trailer tires and go with Carlisle.  Thank you for all of the great information.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 6:33am
I never said I had access to any of the tire information you are asking for, therefore lacking specific information I don't buy expensive tires from companies relying on brand advertising.

I have had good service from the tires I do buy as have many others, if the tires are spec's adequately for the application. It is my view that the majority of problems folks have had with trailer tires are with underspec'd OEM tires put on there by the trailer manufacturer to save as much money as possible. They use Chinese tires for the same reason, so the failures are correlated with use of non-brand name tires. That doesn't make the country of origin/brand causal. There is no reason to believe that underspec'd name brand tires wouldn't also fail, that is after all why the manufacturers provide specs in the first place.

So while it is is very easy to blame these issues on the tire brand the reality is that it more likely it is the trailer manufacturer's fault for using underspec'd tires.At least there is hard evidence (the specs themselves) for that view.

There was night and day difference between the 14 inch LRCs that came with my trailer and the 15 inch LRD's I replaced them with. I got some extra ground clearance too.
Both were Chinese brands. For the cost differential between the tires I bought and name brand tires I more than paid for the 15 inch wheels I needed to make the change. They came premounted so no need to pay for that, just bolt em on.

I think my choice was safer and more cost effective than if I had stayed with the underspec'd 14 inch OEM wheels (wheels have load ratings too) and bought marginally specd brand name brand 14 inch LRCs as direct replacements. But we can't actually know, that requires multiple trials and statistical analysis that isn't going to happen.

I have gotten good service (home handyman use not professional) out of most everything I've bought from Harbor Freight, the use twice and throw away argument goes completely against my experience.

So you do what you want, I'll do what I want, and let's assume that folks asking for information on this forum are astute enough to decide for themselves. Most folks buying habits are well ingrained anyhow,
if they shop by brand when buying one product they are likely to do so with others, as you apparently do, and vice versa, as I do.   Let's not have this same debate ad infinitum, it's going nowhere.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 7:57am
Interesting thread in regard to tires.  A year ago I decided to purchase and run with snow tires year round on my pick up.  The reason was because a neighbor of mine, who is heavily involved with the local car club, showed me that it only made sense (at least to him) to use them year round as he had 40,000 miles on his and they still looked great and the most important being that they handled well, even during the warmer, summer months.  So here I am, 13,000 miles on mine, they handle great and of course with that few a miles on them, tread still looks like new.  The tire?  Michelin Latitude X-Ice.  No, I am not their rep. or sell tires either.  BTW, checked with my neighbor friend and he now has 48,000 miles on his and they still have a lot of life left on them.  His tires are mounted on a 1999 Lexus if you wished to know.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 9:36am
OG, the Carlisle tires I just put on my trailer last June, replacing the crappy Westlakes, are made in China.  It isn't the country of origin that matters, it's the quality of the product.  

No one is suggesting that you should brand names.  Indeed, do what you like.  My point is that there isn't a lot of information about specifications or reliability data available for tire purchases, as you try to suggest.  Internet product reviews are not trustworthy and are often paid for by product promoters or disparagers.  It is not irrational to rely on the "reputation" of tire companies and personal experience, as you seem to imply.  I have learned the hard way with "off brand" tires that they don't last as long as the major tire companies.  I don't like to waste my money either.

Knockoffs are a big problem in consumer products.  They appear to be identical to the brand they are copying.  But, when you take them apart and examine the components, they turn out to be cheap imitations that are poorly made with inferior components.  And when something goes wrong with these knockoffs and you get hurt using them, best of luck to you in finding who will be responsible, especially if you bought through the internet.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 3:44pm
LA, please reread my post. As I have said repeatedly, I agree there is not much data available on trailer tires. That's exactly why I dont spend money on expensive brand name tires. I'm not spending more money than I have to without some kind of hard data justifying that.

I do not trust the corporate decision makers to do anything other than maximize next quarters profits, so I do not rely on brand reputation. I have taken an advanced marketing course in brand management at a top ranked B school so I know a bit about how corporate brand management works. It's all about widening the gap between perceived value and tangible value, thereby maximizing profits at the customers expense.

I look at it this way: if I buy expensive stuff Im either putting money in the pocket of a company that is justifying that high price based on their brand with no real quality difference or I am buying more value at a higher price. Without independent data I don't know which. If I buy an inexpensive product I am either getting a low quality product at a low price or a good quality product at a low price, again I don't know which.

Most folks myself included, would rank those scenarios in this order of preference:

low price high quality (inexpensive brand)
high price high quality (expensive brand)
low price low quality (inexpensive brand)
high price low quality (expensive brand).

On average, lacking hard data, the inexpensive brand ranks higher more often. So lacking data I buy on price. Works for me, if you choose to do otherwise that's fine too. And no I don't think I'm goñna die because I'm rolling on Chinese brand tires I think we're beating the proverbial dead horse on this topic, again.






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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: dagnome
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2021 at 10:00am
Will be replacing tires (205-75x14) shortly.  I'm quite fond of the Cooper's on my car and am pretty sure they make a tire to fit my Pod. What I'm curious about is if a "D" rating being good, would an "F" rated tire be better for my 179.  Was also curious if anyone was running the Green Ball tire from Costco, hard to find out where it's made.


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2021 at 10:21am
Just make sure it's a tire designed for trailers. The construction is a little different to support the unique forces on trailer tires. I ran D load rated Carlisle Trail HD tires on my 179 and would have no qualms about running Carlisles on my 196 when the time comes.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2021 at 11:02am
An F load rating is not necessarily better. You can have too stiff a ride if the tire load rating is too high, resulting excessive shaking for the trailer and contents.

Look at the actual load rating chart in lbs for the tires you're considering. You want tires that have a higher rating than the axle does so the tires aren't the first thing that fails, so look for ones around 125% of half your axle rating.

I wouldn't go higher than 150%, no need and the ride will be getting very stiff. So for example if your axle is rated at 3500 lbs then look for tires with a load rating of 1.25 x 3500/2 or 2187lbs up to 1.5 x 3500/2 or 2625 lbs.

Don't know your axle rating? It's going to be the trailer dry weight + max cargo weight - tongue weight Typically 3500 lbs on the narrow body rpods and 4400 lbs on the wide bodies.

Also, keep your ST trailer tires inflated to the rated pressure cold. Underinflated ST tires tend to overheat due to flexing of the thick sidewalls.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: dagnome
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2021 at 12:48pm
Great suggestions, thanks!  And yes, I am talking trailer tires ST 205's



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