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Topic: R-Pod Brakes Broke
Posted By: podwerkz
Subject: R-Pod Brakes Broke
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2021 at 7:58pm
Well not really...but on my last trip I had one side working...but not the other side. 

Of course not much I could do on the road but take it easy, and reduce the gain on the brake controller. 

It was only a 3 day trip and mostly highway use, not intercity panic stops...

Anyway, fast forward to this:

When I returned home, I began the frustrating process of trying to figure out what was wrong. 

Those POS 'scotchblocks' caused me a half day of trouble-shooting and then two more half-days of stripping out the old and putting in the new. 

I stripped out all the old POS brake wiring and re-installed some good stuff, and I soldered EVERYTHING. Both brakes work fine now...after two days of crawling around on the ground underneath the r-pod up on jackstands. 
 
The problem turned out to be this one in particular, hanging off the left side brake, and here is what I found:

Even though it looks good, there is continuity from the green wire to ONE of the other wires, but not the other wire. This is the 'ground' pair, where it splits off from the left side electric brake, feeding the right side electric brake. 

So if you end up with the left brake heating up and the right side still cold....suspect the 'scotchblocks'!









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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!



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Posted By: Leo B
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 5:45am
Great info! We had that happen when we were out in west Kansas, had to repair them on the road. That was the second time for us, had the same thing happen on the way home from Cape Hatteras one time, we hit some road debris which flipped up an cut the "little green wire".

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Leo & Melissa Bachand
2017 Ford F150
2021 Vista Cruiser 19 csk
Previously owned
2015 Rpod 179
2010 Rpod 171


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 7:10am
+2. Those insulation displacement connectors should be outlawed for critical safety equipment. Totally unreliable.

Even after I completely replaced my brakes, drums, and backing plates and reworked all the connections I was still getting more action on my left brake than my right, so I rewired them in series and turned my brake controller gain up. The problem with parallel operation is one will always take more current than the other and actuate more aggressively. In series they are forced to be the same, and either you will have both brakes work or neither, so you can’t get that squirrelly one sided action and it’s easier to troubleshoot.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 9:45am
Hmm.....I never thought about wiring them in series....I have a variable power supply that I use to diagnose electric brakes (I have two trailers with electric brakes) and it only takes about 2-4 volts to begin to have braking action, and by about 6 volts they are beginning to grip pretty firmly. 

So it makes sense that half of about 12 volts (6 volts to each brake in series) would be enough to provide the full braking action needed in most cases. 


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 10:18am
Yep, works that way for me, about 6V to each magnet. That being said, as it is not an industry standard I am not recommending it, just sayin’ it works.

Guess the standard theory is that it’s better to have one trailer brake than none if you get an open circuit, but having had only one trailer brake on a wet windy mountain road before, I disagree.

We also had an old Jeep CJ once that had a bad brake proportioning valve. I wanted to tow it but my wife decided to be adventurous and drive it from MD to NC when it went bad. She pulled off and called me to come get her, said the jeep was undrivable. When I got there two hours later she was still sitting in it, white as a ghost. I said let me try to get it somewhere where we could leave it till I could come back and tow it to NC. She was right, I couldn’t keep it on the road if I used the brakes, it would yank it’s wheel out of my hands randomly. Since then I’ve been really fussy about keeping the brakes in all my vehicles balanced and functioning properly.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 10:43am
Geez, I'm starting to think that one has to be a combination vehicle mechanic/electrician to own and maintain an RV.

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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 12:24pm
One does not need to be a mechanic/electrician at first. There is so much information available as well as YouTube videos that are very helpful. It is like having  a very knowledgeable friend who is willing to help at any time, day or night.



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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 12:54pm
What is definitely needed is a bit of mechanical skills and a case of obsessive compulsive puttering disorder [OCPD].  +1 to StephenH's comment about youtube.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by Pod_Geek

Geez, I'm starting to think that one has to be a combination vehicle mechanic/electrician to own and maintain an RV.

Bingo!

Give that man a SEE-GAR!

Owning one but paying others to maintain and repair it is not an option for me. 

Cool


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 5:15pm
I can’t afford someone to fix mine for me either.

The problem with YT is that a lot of what’s on there is either wrong, unnecessary, or skewed toward a particular product. So you still have to have some reasonable knowledge base to filter out the nonsense. One red flag is if comments are turned off. Gotta wonder why...

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 5:26pm
Another problem with youtube is that the adds have become so annoying that it's hardly worth the time.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 10:47pm
Ad Block or Brave browser will help with the ads....

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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by podwerkz

Ad Block or Brave browser will help with the ads....
Not when they embed the ads within the video. Youtube goes into "ad mode' (not a term, just what I call it), where they disable FF/RW, etc. except for play/pause. yada yada yada.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 4:35pm
I said it will 'HELP' with the ads....I did not say you can eliminate all of them.

That said, if the ads are third-party content inserted by youtube then most of the time the ad-block will remove it.

A sponsor who is mentioned in the video by the person on camera...well I just keep tapping the right arrow button.

Works for me.


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: SC for Huskers
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 6:19pm
Podwerkz,  Thanks for the heads up on the brakes.  Mine is coming out of storage this weekend so I will reconnect, and solder.  Me, I think one brake is better than none. 
Right now, I dont know how to check if one side is greater than the other.  I have a variac, and a bridge rectifier, but what will that tell me?
As for YT, I have AdBlock, and it seems to work fine.  I cant remember seeing a 3rd party ad other than what the YT poster has to say about his sponsor, and yes, if comments are off, dont finish watching.  OH< if you see kids hands,,, bail out!


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Happy Traveling,
Tom
2017 172pod
2011 F150 STX


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by SC for Huskers


Right now, I dont know how to check if one side is greater than the other.  I have a variac, and a bridge rectifier, but what will that tell me?


Nope, don't do that. 

In order to be sure about how well the brakes are 'balanced', you need to take the trailer out for a short drive and apply the brakes at a moderate level, enough to get them warm, but not hot.

Accelerate to about 20-30 mph then bring it to a more or less normal stop on a quiet rural road. Set your tow vehicle parking brake and hop out and using the back of your knuckles reach around behind the tire and quickly brush your knuckles against the brake drum on each side, using your right hand on the left side, and your left hand on the right side. They should both feel warm to hot, depending on how hard you applied the brakes. 

(Note: Some high tech guys use an IR gun, but I'm old-school and don't trust those for this job...it's up to you)

They should feel (or measure) about the same, but keep in mind that these also have 'nevr-adjust' brakes which actually means, they NEVER adjust....but just in case one actually DID....you might find one side warm and the other side HOT. It might be that the 'auto-slack' (as we call them in the trucking industry) has allowed one brake to have too much slack. They can be adjusted manually, but they need to both be functioning electrically before you make any manual adjustments.

Another test you can do is to take the rig to a deserted dirt or gravel road and while driving at about 5 mph, apply FULL braking to the trailer brakes ONLY, using the brake controller. You should be able to lock up and skid BOTH trailer tires. You can get out and look for scratch marks in the dirt, or you can aim your mirrors down to see the tires. If you can lock them both up this way, they are probably balanced close enough for safety. 

And, if the brakes have less than a few hundred miles on them they are probably not 'bedded in', so you need to get a lot more miles on the rig and then check the brakes again.


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 7:15am
+1 to podwerks comment, except for the part about the IR thermometer. If you’re not an old school truck driver it’s a great tool for the job. After making a couple of stops from 20-30 mph using just your trailer brakes (manual control lever) aim the thermometer laser dot at the drums. They should be roughly the same temperature, say within 50-100 degrees. Don’t expect them to be identical.

Another thing you can use your IR thermometer for is to balance the tow vehicle vs trailer brake action (the B or boost setting on Tekonsha controllers). Next time you’re going down a long grade brake as you normally would (hopefully you’re using mostly engine braking). Then stop at the bottom and check the temps of all 6 brakes on the rig. What I found on my Highlander is that I needed to set the boost more aggressively in order to keep the rear brakes of the Highlander cooler. What was happening is that the additional rear axle weight from the trailer was tricking the no so smart braking system (which monitors wheel loading and provides more braking action to heavily loaded wheels to minimize lockup) into thinking that it needed to push more brake fluid to the rear brakes. So you end up with the weakest brakes on the rig (rear TV brakes) doing the most work. By setting the boost higher the trailer brakes do more work and the rear TV brakes run cooler.

mcarter pointed out another benefit of having an IR thermometer which is checking for tire overheating. I just go around the rig and check all 6 tires and brakes at each fuel stop. Takes no time at all.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 10:00am
Hey, my heat-sensing knuckles are calibrated to plus or minus 2 degrees....

Tongue


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 10:44am
Originally posted by podwerkz

Hey, my heat-sensing knuckles are calibrated to plus or minus 2 degrees....
Tongue



Draggin’ them knucles again hey?

In my case, I’m old and stiff enough after driving awhile that I can’t reach my brake drums without a grunt or groan or two. The IR laser pointer keeps me upright.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 4:04pm
Always an educational experience on this forum . . . at least for me.

OG - where did you purchase your IR thermometer, sounds like a worthwhile investment to me.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 5:54pm
I got this one on the ‘zon. I’m sure you can find them lots of other online places. Handy little item for many things.

https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Infrared-Thermometer/dp/B08H2QKLX4?ref_=Oct_mh_s9_apbd_obs_bAq7OAl&pf_rd_r=GGAJ53C4KW288FB8ZYFV&pf_rd_p=66b73e9f-37ec-5504-b302-0a769e8ca575&pf_rd_s=mobile-hybrid-11&pf_rd_t=BROWSE_ANYWHERE&pf_rd_i=9931459011#



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 7:52pm
All the high tech gizmos and still can't figure out how to make a string of text into a live hyperlink....

NOW who is 'old school'?

Wink


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: poston
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2021 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by podwerkz

All the high tech gizmos and still can't figure out how to make a string of text into a live hyperlink....

NOW who is 'old school'?

Mic drop.  Big smile


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Jim
Virginia City, Nevada
2016 R-pod 180
2015 Nissan Xterra Pro-4X


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 12:30am
Ha ha. No lack of knowledge, just lack of coordination. When I’m stuck using my phone it’s really a PITA ‘cause of my big fat fingers. Things like editing text strings are particularly error prone. So I tend to avoid them.

https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Lasergrip-749-Infrared-thermometer/dp/B07QZ1849H?ref_=Oct_mh_s9_apbd_odotd_bAq7OAl_2_cv0a42edd&pf_rd_r=12GC44H4WJYNJX4JWQYM&pf_rd_p=66b73e9f-37ec-5504-b302-0a769e8ca575&pf_rd_s=mobile-hybrid-4&pf_rd_t=BROWSE_ANYWHERE&pf_rd_i=9931459011 - IR Thermometer

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: JR
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 7:38am
I found one a Harbor Freight for I think $15 to $20

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Jay

179/2019


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 7:51am
I bet y'all even use one of them new-fangled air gauges....

I just walk around kicking or thumping the tires at every stop!

Geek


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 10:17am
Originally posted by JR

I found one a Harbor Freight for I think $15 to $20

We got one of those from HF, and it was non-functional. Took it back, and had to pay a $6 "re-stocking fee". Was kind of irritated at that, so when I got the replacement out to my truck after, and found the replacement had the exact same problem (or at least the exact same symptoms), I took it back in. They at least took the 2nd one back without charging me a re-stock fee.

So in the end, that $20 thermometer cost me $6 plus two trips to HF. Since we live outside of town, each one of those trips were ~~ 3 hours each. So the crappy $20 thermometer not only cost me $6, but also took 6 hours from my life. and I still didn't have a thermometer.

After leaving HF, I went to HD, and got a nice Klein Tools IR thermometer, which works very well.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2021 at 10:39am
The Amazon one I got works fine, had it for about 3 years now.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2021 at 6:17pm
One word - FLUKE.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 5:02am
100% agree on Fluke, that was always my top choice for professional use. When I got dropped off by helicopter at solar mountaintop repeater sites for a few days my tools and instruments got hard use and had to work all the time. But for occasional casual home use? I’ve found the Chinese stuff does the job at a fraction of the cost.

Everyone has different opinions on things like tools, get what your comfortable with and budget allows.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: seafans
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2021 at 6:06pm
I did not find any other area to post this but here.  I have two sets of 10" Lippert brake shoes with springs for manual adjusting brakes only.  There are free to a good home except postage.  They were purchased from Lippert by mistake a couple of years ago.  New in the original packaging.
Steve



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