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Topic: Ball Mount Question
Posted By: SkeeterPod11
Subject: Ball Mount Question
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 10:30am
Hi Everybody,

So im looking to get a ball mount hitch for my 2021 Toyota Tacoma SX. I measured to the top in the inside of the hitch receiver and got 18.5 in. Then measure to the bottom of my cupler of my Rpod 180 and got 17.75 in. Getting a difference of -.75. If im correct in my understanding of how you calculate this, I need a drop of 1in. I went to Walmart and could only find hitches with 2in drop and higher. Now I notice some have drops and rises on the same hitch. If I got one with a 2in drop and 1 in rise, would that give me what I need..? I also believe I need a 2in ball. In addition, the one I was looking at was class V. & is certified for up to 17,000 lbs. thats much more then my TT which is about 3,700 loaded. Is it safer to get a stronger hitch the needed or is it not necessary. I also would love any insight on a good brake controller to go with as I will be needing to get one as well, Im newer to towing so something that is user friendly would be best. Thanks you your time.



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Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 10:43am
hi there...
I'll leave the calculation question to others as I'd be guessing but I wanted to say that I bought Curt's Bluetooth brake controller this summer and I'm really happy with it. The device cost most than others but the install was way less so they ended up about the same. 

Welcome...I hope you love your pod as much as I love mine.
Julie


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Julie


Posted By: john in idaho
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 12:24pm
I seem to have accumulated a collection of various heights of "Stingers" - that is what the part that slides into the 2" receiver is called" - over the years. The majority came from U-Haul so they may have a bigger selection than Walmart, and perhaps a more know legible person to ask. Just a suggestion ....     


Posted By: Dirt Sifter
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 12:29pm
This is the brand of brake controller I had installed on my Tacoma; it is posted on the Forest River forums' classified section.
https://www.forestriverforums.com/forums/f246/new-never-used-tekonsha-p3-brake-controller-220715.html
I have used a 2" drop WDH for our 195, but used a straight 2" ball and hitch when we had a 179. We used sway control with both hitches. Really not too concerned about 3/4" difference as long as the hitch weight was right. Others will be able to express more grounded opinions on this issue for sure.
The Rpods are so much fun; good choice.


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Greg n Deb 2020 195 HRE
'07 Tundra 5.7L., '17 Tacoma 3.5L. Both with tow packages
1 Puggle, 1 Chihuahua support staff


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 12:30pm
Having a stronger ball is never going to be a bad move. So If cost is similar, I say go for it. As far as brake controller, I use the tekonsha P3 which is a great controller, and will probably plug and play in your vehicle. As far as height, it's better to be a little lower, than being higher. If it's a little low, it will push down on the back end if you brake aggressively, helping you have better stopping traction. Being a little high would tend to lift the back end. 



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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 12:37pm
Go with a 1" - 2" drop (front of pod lower than rear) when towing.  Reduces potential of sway.  Ideally you also want 10% - 12% trailer weight on your receiver, again to reduce potential of sway.



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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 1:17pm
I'm pretty sure the 2" drop/ 1" rise means if you install it one way you have a 2" drop, but if you turn it over (and install the ball from the other direction) you have a 1" rise.

It's nice to get things as close to right as you can, but remember, when you put the weight of the Pod down on the ball, the back end of your truck is probably going to go down a bit.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 2:05pm
I use adjustable "stingers" as I tow several things and would rather adjust height of hitch then change stinger every time. It's ok the stinger is rated higher than your hitch or capacity. For towing I recommend level or a bit low in front. Not more than 2 inches. The receiver and ball size is 2 inches. I'm a fan of the Tekonsha contollers, while there are many good ones. I still have a vehicle with a P2, I sold the truck that had a P3 in it. Lot of places you can buy ball mounts, we have a local Tractor Supply which has an excellent selection. My last adjustable ball mount came from etrailer.com as did all my controllers. Best about etrailer is the have a customer service line that will answer any question you have.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2020 at 4:46pm
I think you will want to look into getting a weight distribution hitch for your Taco rather than just a simple ball hitch. You will like the ride and handling much better because the wdh will push the front of the Taco back down (otherwise it will get light in front when you hang the trailer on the ball). Being light in front is not good because that reduces your steering authority and, since the front brakes are the best brakes on the rig, your braking capacity as well. 

If you get a wdh that will have a set of adjustments you will need to work through to get the trailer level and the front axle of the Taco back to the same load/height it was without the trailer. Ideally you want the trailer as close to level as possible when hitched up so you can roll into an overnight campsite and/or rest area and catch some zzzz's without having to unhitch. 

As for brake controllers, I agree with mcarter. The Tekonsha P2 is a very nice, simple and relatively inexpensive controller. The P3 has more bells and whistles but the same underlying functionality, it would be a better choice probably if you were towing more than one type of trailer. Either one is good and the company has a good reputation. 

Whatever you choose, do get a proportional controller, which uses accelerometers (like what's in your smartphone) to apply the trailer brakes in proportion to the rate at which you are applying the Taco's brakes. When you get it, set it up yourself and be sure you familiarize yourself with its operation and adjustments, you should use its manual control to test the trailer brakes out each time you hitch up. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2020 at 10:59am
I agree with the concept of a WDH. The receiver on our E2 has a 6" adjustment range with 1" increments, and can be + or -, so it's easy to get it "just right".

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: SkeeterPod11
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2020 at 1:53pm
Thank you all for your input. I will be checking out the P2 & P3 braker controllers based on feedback and popularity. I will just have to see how Im going to mount it as from what I read a level surface is required for accurate performance and I dont have many level surface within the truck. & I have been greatly considering a WDH. The only downside from what Ive gathered is the setup and breakdown and the ability to maneuver/backup and obviously cost but if it truely is safer the tradeoff seems justified. Im also nervous of my ability to install correctly but Im sure with more research I can eventually figure it out.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2020 at 2:09pm
The P2 and P3 have to point in the direction of travel but don't have to be horizontal, they can be installed rotated at any angle. The accelerometers and microprocessor are smart enough to figure out which way down is. 

You can back up with the wdh installed, not a problem. They take slightly longer to hitch up because you need to tension the spring bars that are pushing the  front of the tow vehicle down but once you have it adjusted the first time its easy, and you can raise the jack to take the tension off the bars while hitching and unhitching. You will be attaching some hitch parts to the tongue for the spring bars to connect to and will need to allow some time with the rig on a flat surface to get everything set up right to begin with, but the improvement in ride, handling, and control is well worth it when you're towing with a (relatively) light tow vehicle like your Taco or my Highlander.  

You should also think about sway control as part of your wdh selection process. If you do a search on this forum you will find lots of discussion on wdh and sway control brands pros and cons. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2020 at 2:30pm
The reason I like the bluetooth brake controller is there is no inside mount at all. There's a phone app and a device that plugs in between the trailer plug and TV outlet.

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Julie


Posted By: Colonel Podder
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2020 at 9:00pm
You should take a look at the Redarc Tow-Pro Elite brake controller. It has a small switch to mount on the dash or console area, and controller can be mounted out of site under the dash at any orientation. I have one myself and really like it. 


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 9:52am
I always recommend a 'hitch tightener'...it helps quiet all the hardware....back there...

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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 10:06am
+1 on the hitch tightener. It will stop some of the clunking sounds you get from the hitch shank flopping around in the receiver.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 4:52pm
+2, I also use one.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 8:18am
I use the hitch tightener pictured above, and it works good. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 9:33am
Originally posted by podwerkz

I always recommend a 'hitch tightener'...it helps quiet all the hardware....back there...

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  Where did you purchase it from?


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 9:52am
You can find them on Amazon. There are other types as well. You have a choice of which type and what price you would be willing to pay.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: SkeeterPod11
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 10:04am
Ive been looking into the e2 weight distribution hitch with built in sway control. I can find any dealers in NJ so its looking like I would have to purchase and install myself. Do you guys use the hitch tightner on a weight distribution hitch or on a standard ball mount hitch?


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 10:37am
Originally posted by SkeeterPod11

Ive been looking into the e2 weight distribution hitch with built in sway control. I can find any dealers in NJ so its looking like I would have to purchase and install myself. Do you guys use the hitch tightner on a weight distribution hitch or on a standard ball mount hitch?

That's debatable. Any WDH will "preload" the receiver. Once I've loaded the round bars, everything is pretty darn tight down there. We don't hear any clunks or thunks when the WDH is engaged, so my inclination is that it's somewhat redundant. OTOH, it would be kind of like belt plus suspenders, and the tightener is pretty inexpensive.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: SkeeterPod11
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 11:02am
I see. Thats kind of what I figured. Due to the tension I imagine there is little room for movement. Did you install your WDH yourself or have it done for you..? From what I understand there are multiple tools including torque wrenches required and Im trying to gauge additional cost and difficulty level. The fact no drilling is required with the e2 thats a plus. & Obviously skill level and familiarity with towing/towing equipment comes into play and mine is somewhat minimal but just wondering..


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 12:08pm
Not true in my case. On my WDH (Fastway E2) the ball mount and spring bars connection points are all in one unit. The whole unit goes into the receiver, so the hitch tightener is very much helpful tightening things up. I don't think I've ever seen a Wdh set up different than that. Where the spring bars connect directly to the vehicle?? I must me missing something.

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 3:12pm
Originally posted by mjlrpod

Not true in my case. On my WDH (Fastway E2) the ball mount and spring bars connection points are all in one unit. The whole unit goes into the receiver, so the hitch tightener is very much helpful tightening things up. I don't think I've ever seen a Wdh set up different than that. Where the spring bars connect directly to the vehicle?? I must me missing something.

I don't think you're missing anything, the spring bars do attach to the ball mount assembly of the wdh. It's just that once tightened the stinger is trying to rotate the tow vehicle down in the front by applying torque to the receiver so there is less likelihood of getting that clunking noise. Less but not zero. My wdh will still clunk in the receiver occasionally, just much less frequently than when the bars aren't tightened. Personally the clunking noise doesn't bother me, it just tells me the trailer is still attached back there. Big smile


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 3:27pm
Originally posted by SkeeterPod11

I see. Thats kind of what I figured. Due to the tension I imagine there is little room for movement. Did you install your WDH yourself or have it done for you..? From what I understand there are multiple tools including torque wrenches required and Im trying to gauge additional cost and difficulty level. The fact no drilling is required with the e2 thats a plus. & Obviously skill level and familiarity with towing/towing equipment comes into play and mine is somewhat minimal but just wondering..

You can do it! 

If you're talking about the high torque settings for attaching the ball you don't need to buy a huge torque wrench. It's not rocket science.  Turn the hitch 90 degrees in the receiver. Put your socket and breaker bar on the ball nut and step on the breaker bar, being careful not to fall. If for example the torque setting is 250 ft-lbs (3000 in-lbs) and you weigh 250 lbs  step 12 inches from the center of the nut. If you weigh 125 lbs, step 24 inches out, if you weigh 175 lbs step 17 inches out. IOW, take the ft-lb torque setting, multiply by 12, then divide by your weight and step out that number of inches. Put all your weight on the breaker bar and bounce up and down a little bit just to be sure, it won't hurt anything. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 8:02pm




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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 8:05pm
I  used to hear clunking quite regularly, even when the hitch is properly tensioned. I started using a tightener with the Equal-i-zer hitch. I now use a hitch tightener with my current Hensley Cub hitch because I get clunking from the stinger being just that little bit loose in the receiver. The tightener eliminates that.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2020 at 12:32pm
It would not be difficult for Curt or any of the receiver shank manufacturers to integrate some kind of dampening bushing....a simple twist of a bolt could expand a rubber bushing in the shank, pushing thru a couple of openings and reduce the clunking to a minimum....hmmm...but I guess I need to patent the idea first!

Wink



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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2020 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by SkeeterPod11

Did you install your WDH yourself or have it done for you..? From what I understand there are multiple tools including torque wrenches required and I'm trying to gauge additional cost and difficulty level. The fact no drilling is required with the e2 that's a plus. & Obviously skill level and familiarity with towing/towing equipment comes into play and mine is somewhat minimal but just wondering..
It's not terribly difficult to install, and there are easy workarounds for he high torque requirements (see above). We bought the E2 and the RP179 together as a  "package", and the dealer set it all up.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 7:23am
Originally posted by podwerkz

It would not be difficult for Curt or any of the receiver shank manufacturers to integrate some kind of dampening bushing....a simple twist of a bolt could expand a rubber bushing in the shank, pushing thru a couple of openings and reduce the clunking to a minimum....hmmm...but I guess I need to patent the idea first!

Wink



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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: SkeeterPod11
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 3:44pm
The Anderson “No-Sway” Hitches do look a little more user friendly. Higher price. But not a deal breaker. Anyone else have any experience with Anderson hitches appose to other WDH such as e2 or curt..?


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 4:02pm
I have the Anderson and like it.  I haven't used any of the others to compare though.  It is supposedly lighter (which was a thing for me) and the customer service has been great.  A year and a half on and the pin bent.  When I called them they said they had redesigned the plate and sent me the new part for free.

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Julie


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 5:20pm
The only one I know who has used more than one kind of WDH is StephenH. For me (and most others I would assume) after I got and used the E2, there was no compelling reason to switch. It works, I think it's pretty simple to setup and use. Done.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 6:13pm
I use the Reese pro wdh with independently
adjustable sway control. It take a couple extra minutes to hitch up but to me it’s well worth it to be able to adjust the sway control separately from the wdh. There are times when I like little or no sway control (slick roads, windy mountain roads) while leaving my wdh tension unchanged. With many systems you don’t get that choice.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: SkeeterPod11
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 6:34pm
My 2021 Tacoma SX comes with electric sway control build. Do you like this will conflict with a sway control that is part of the WDH..?


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by SkeeterPod11

My 2021 Tacoma SX comes with electric sway control build. Do you like this will conflict with a sway control that is part of the WDH..?
No. The reason is that the Tacoma's electric sway control, only uses engine torque adjustments and brake activation of the Tacoma and does not do anything with the trailer brakes. If the hitch has sway control, it can only help to help avoid the sway conditions in the first place.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 4:09am
It’s an interesting question.

It’s possible that the two could interact depending on what sway control system you have. I understand for example that Blueox wdh/sway control comes with a warning to shut off TSC. Blueox is not a friction based sway control system, it uses tension in the wdh spring arms to apply torque to the trailer to straighten it out. Think of it as a dynamic sway control where the trailer sway is being controlled by two springs, one on each side. In comparison straight friction bar sway control dampens trailer side to side motion passively.

So, conceivably TSC trying to actively operate your truck brakes on either side one at a time could get out of phase with the action of the blue ox spring bars and make the sway oscillation worse. A passive friction sway system with no spring action couldn’t do that. So my recommendation would be to get a wdh with friction based sway control and leave your TSC engaged.

Sway control systems are all secondary to having a properly loaded trailer to begin with. That means having at least 10, preferably 11-12 percent of the trailer total weight on the tongue under all load conditions, so that the trailer center of gravity is well forward of the trailer axle. When the c of g is too far aft the trailer wants to swap ends when you hit the brakes or get a crosswind. The only way to know that is to weigh it. Check out this video:

https://youtu.be/i2fkOVHAC8Q


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold



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