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Topic: Furnace/Battery Question
Posted By: in2thefire
Subject: Furnace/Battery Question
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 1:43am
Hi everyone, 

I am new to RVing and just got a 2020 R-Pod 180. Have taken 4 trips so far and will go on first trip in a few days where I may need to use furnace at night. I have just the one battery that came with it and I have a Champion dual fuel 3500W generator to use to recharge the battery. Do I need to run the generator all night to keep the battery charged while the furnace is running or let battery handle it overnight and then crank up generator next morning to recharge battery? 

Thanks! 


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2020 R-Pod 180
2020 Subaru Ascent



Replies:
Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 4:10am
You should be good to go assuming your battery is in good condition and fully charged.  Do NOT run your refrigerator on battery as that will toast it in a matter of hours.  I have a pair of 12 volt Interstate group size 24 batteries that are over 9.5 years old.  Last year as we podded in RMNP and Utah for a month and would go 6 - 7 days on our batteries as we boondocked in temps that were almost always 48 or less at night, this was in the month of September.  That was without any assistance from solar or generator usage. 


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 8:16am
You should be fine overnight without the generator, and depending on where you're camping, you won't be allowed to use the generator anyway.  But, if you can use it, or if you are somewhere with electric hookups, you should consider a small electric heater. Much quieter than the onboard furnace.  If you're at a campground with hookups you're already paying for the electricity, so why not use it instead of your propane?

As Jato said, don't even think about running the fridge on 12v power. 

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 9:11am
Here are the numbers. The furnace current consumption when running is about 2 amps. The furnace doesn’t run continuously, let’s say it has a 50% duty cycle, pretty typical unless it’s really cold. That means the furnace will require about 12 amp hours a day. Your single battery if in good shape will have a capacity of about 100 amp hours, and you shouldn’t take it below about 50%, so that means it should be able to handle the furnace for about 4 days before needing to recharge, if the furnace was the only load you had. Of course, you’re probably also using the lights, water pump, water heater (yes the water heater does use a small amount of electricity in operation), and maybe running some electronics, so using more capacity than just the furnace fan.

I would recommend firing up the generator every late afternoon to bring the battery back up to full charge for overnight use. An hour of operation or so should be plenty unless you’re really consuming a lot of power. That’s a good time to use the microwave for dinner prep if you want. Turn off the water heater, water pump, and any lights you’re not actually using.


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: in2thefire
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 9:43am
Thank you all so much. This information is extremely helpful. We will be off grid no campground in sight for 400 acres.😁


2020 R-Pod 180
2020 Subaru Ascent


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 1:54pm
If you plan to do a lot of boondocking in cold weather there are other more efficient solutions for heating, along with auxiliary batteries and solar panels. 

RV furnaces are noisy, suck DC power and also drain your propane rapidly. But they are safe, simple to operate, and included when you write that big check.


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: in2thefire
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 3:20pm
Yes, I’m pre-wired for solar and plan to look into that. The dealer had zero information for me when I asked about it SOOOOOOOO I have to find out if there is a specific solar panel manufacturer I should be looking at or if any generic think will do.


Posted By: in2thefire
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 3:20pm
Yes, I’m pre-wired for solar and plan to look into that. The dealer had zero information for me when I asked about it so I have to find out if there is a specific solar panel manufacturer I should be looking at or if any generic think will do.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 5:20pm
You don't have to use the brand of solar module that your rPod is supposedly prewired for. Any reputable brand will do.  If you want to get started with solar the easiest is to get a portable kit including a charge controller and connect it directly to your battery via an inline fuse while you're camping. That way you can move it around to be in direct sun and get started without having to install something permanent on the roof. If you want to you can later install it on the roof and/or add a second module. 

I designed and tested solar modules for many years for a living and I highly recommend you get a standard glass surface solar module with an aluminum frame, NOT a so-called "flexible" module with a plastic surface. The glass ones will last 30 plus years, the "flexible" ones a few years if you're lucky. Solar cells are crystalline silicon and are NOT flexible.  100 watts is a good starting point, get a charge controller that handle 20 amps and you can add another 100 watts later without needed to change controllers. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 7:38pm
Originally posted by podwerkz

If you plan to do a lot of boondocking in cold weather there are other more efficient solutions for heating, along with auxiliary batteries and solar panels. 

RV furnaces are noisy, suck DC power and also drain your propane rapidly. But they are safe, simple to operate, and included when you write that big check.

I agree that the furnace uses battery power, but its not a lot, as I point out in my earlier post. They are also certainly noisy. 

As for draining the propane rapidly, relative to what? I doubt that the furnace efficiency (roughly 75-80%)  is any worse than an alternative catalytic heater would be once you provide adequate ventilation for it both for safety and to avoid condensation, and probably better on a cold or high humidity night. Someone would have to do some side by side testing to prove that one way or the other, maintaining the same inside temperature using both heating systems while monitoring CO and condensation. Otherwise it's just marketing chatter from the cat heater companies.                                                 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 10:03pm
offgrid, you try repeatedly to draw me into these repetitive debates: vehicle brands, WD hitches, trailer wiring, brake controllers, solar power systems, batteries, heating solutions, generators, tires, boondocking methods, preferred camping style and areas, etc etc. What you really need to do is focus on providing answers, and accepting that others will also provide answers, and even if an answer or suggestion is different than yours, unless it is totally wrong or dangerous, then it is a valid answer. Period.

It gets tiring responding to your contradictions. I guess that's all you have going on. But whenever I indulge you, and I type out my answers, then it comes up weeks later and you would have me to do it all over again...explaining or defending my statements again and again and again. I only have so much time on here, and I spend a good amount of it arguing with you after I have provided help to a member here. If I toss a suggestion out there, no matter what it is, you try to shoot it down.

Tell you what, when the OP asks (in any thread or subject) I will direct my help that way, but I wont waste my time and try the patience of these readers, arguing the same subject matter with you again, over and over, ad nauseum. It just gets old.

Apologies to the OP....but this annoying behavior has been happening for quite awhile now. 






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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2020 at 12:30pm
podwerks, I think in most areas you mention we are probably in agreement, others are simply a matter of personal opinion or preference.

But if you state something as a recommendation to someone that is asking for help, like steering someone away from a vehicle brand that they prefer without explaining why, or suggesting that a heating system is more efficient without data, then you can expect to be questioned, its a forum.  I certainly expect to be.

In this case if you have data to support that catalytic heaters are more efficient in actual use, please share it. Nothing unusual about debate on that topic, it is the subject of plenty of discussion on other RV forums as well. 

We all have different things that annoy us, that doesn't make it the other person's problem. If you find it annoying when people disagree with your statements, that's fine, I find it annoying when folks make statements that are not based on data, that's fine too. 





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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Dirt Sifter
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2020 at 9:30am
I prefer the cat heater. More quiet certainly, more efficient - I don't know or care in the middle of the night. More condensation - yup - but I don't care in the middle of the night; I do prep for it and accept it. Offgrid can get on your nerves if you let him, but makes some good ponder points, if they are important to you. Others make good points to consider and balance our decisions. That's why I like this forum. Think I'll leave it right here.


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Greg n Deb 2020 195 HRE
'07 Tundra 5.7L., '17 Tacoma 3.5L. Both with tow packages
1 Puggle, 1 Chihuahua support staff


Posted By: BMJ
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 9:54am
Wanting to boondock a couple days in our 195 Need to run the heater at night. Isn’t this going to wipe out the battery and would a small (2000-2500) inverter generator be best to invest in? We have a portable solar panel (100 watt) however this will only get our battery up to full charge... any advice from folks as to how best to be prepared?... which inverter generator do folks recommend? Thanks!


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 10:59am
BMJ  I can't respond to your inverter question as I have neither generator or solar to supplant my batteries when boondocking but I can state this from 10 years experience with our two 12v group size 24 Interstate batteries that are now 10 years and 9.7 years old:  we get 3 days out of each battery when night temps are in the 40's or less, the furnace runs a lot (yes it is loud but in my book noise Trumps over being cold) and usually the battery will read around 60% S.O.C. or 12.2v after 3 days or going into day 4.  At that point the one battery is unhooked and the other one is attached.  Works for us and we are good for 6+ days without all the fussing of hooking up/taking down solar panels, or carrying around a generator and gas can(s) and don't have to have all the extra room needed to store all this 'stuff' like solar panels, controllers, generators, gas cans.  I like simple and as a result have a fair amount of extra room while traveling (and a lot less weight).


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 11:07am
Battery draw Really depends on weather. If it's cold, like below 30, day and night, the battery will probably last 2 days max. If it's on at night only, maybe 3 days. You might be able to recharge by hooking up to the tow vehicle (if it's set up to charge battery), but it takes a long time. You only need a small genny if all you want to do is recharge the battery. A 1000 watt is more than capable. I would say honda, but theres many good choices, yamaha, champion, etc. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2020 at 7:57am
The furnace uses about 2 amps when running it’s fan so if it ran continuously it would consume about 50 amp hours a day, which is about all you’d want to take from a single battery. You also have other electrical loads you will be using so that would shorten the time further.

But the furnace won’t be running continuously unless it’s really cold, a more typical duty cycle would about 50%, for about 25 amp hours a day. So if you have dual batteries (recommended for boon docking) you ought to be able to go two days at least as long as you’re conservative on other electric use.

Consider a second propane cylinder as well. The furnace when running uses 20000 btu per hour, or about 480000 btu over 2 days at 50% duty cycle. A full single 20 lb cylinder contains about 430000 btu so you will probably run through a cylinder operating the furnace before you run through a dual battery setup. Be careful about tongue weight though, dual batteries and cylinders will add well over 100 lbs. You can keep the 2nd propane cylinder in your tow vehicle to reduce tongue weight if necessary, that’s what I do.

Re generators, a 1kw would be plenty for recharging the batteries but if you also want to run either the microwave or the a/c then you will need at least a 2kw plus an Easystart soft starter on the a/c or around a 3kw without the soft starter.



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2020 at 9:08am
I use a http://www.camco.net/heaters/olympian-wave-3-3000-btu-htr-57331 - Wave 3 catalytic heater.

It works great for boondocking.  If you search on my username, you'll find pics of my installation.


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2020 at 9:11am
Originally posted by Dirt Sifter

I prefer the cat heater. More quiet certainly, more efficient - I don't know or care in the middle of the night. More condensation - yup - but I don't care in the middle of the night; I do prep for it and accept it. Offgrid can get on your nerves if you let him, but makes some good ponder points, if they are important to you. Others make good points to consider and balance our decisions. That's why I like this forum. Think I'll leave it right here.


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC



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