Broken Welds on Floor Joists - Next step
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Topic: Broken Welds on Floor Joists - Next step
Posted By: Junkinpod
Subject: Broken Welds on Floor Joists - Next step
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 12:48pm
Broken Welds - 182g 2014 - Part 2.
No returned email or phone call from Forest River. I will send another message and call again next week.
I have taken my trailer to a local welding shop and they jacked up the outer frame of the trailer and added supports every foot on both sides of the trailer. They have welded the broken weld on the rear floor joist, which lifted the slide side of the trailer 2-3 inches! The tire looks properly positioned in the fender. Outside it looks much better. And I feel that this unit is likely stronger than it was when originally built.
The slide out position and angle has now changed - as it is now where it should have been. The slide out really tipped on an angle as it was extended. (much worse than before) ... so I've taken out the flooring to access this area and found that the slide mechanism is attached to 1.5" wooden boards that do not appear to be attached to anything. They appear to be sitting on the bottom layer of plywood lauan(sp), and are not attached anywhere. So as the slide extends this is lifting. Once it is balanced and the slide is out all of the way - the wood returns to the floor level. Hope the photos demonstrate this better than my words. This lifting would not have been visible before I took up the flooring, as it would have been under the flooring and under the slide out.
How do we stabilize these boards or stop them from rocking up and down, when the slide out is moved? Any suggestions?
The bolts that attach the mechanism seem to the floor(?) seem to have moved over time. See last pic. Is this normal? is there a way to adjust and level the slide out?
Looking forward to the next step. We want to go camping!
------------- Belinda
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 1:13pm
Can you access the area where the boards are from under the trailer? The boards themselves appear intact. Maybe you can add boards under the floor and screw them up into both the aluminum joists and into the existing boards?
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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Posted By: Junkinpod
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 1:50pm
Cannot access this area from under the trailer unless we remove the water tank. Doable ... just prefer not to dismantle that too but it may be required.
------------- Belinda
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 2:39pm
Compared to all the other stuff dropping a tank is probably minimal extra work. But adding blocking under there might interfere with putting the tank back. A metal plate might work better in that case. Then seal everything up before putting back the tank.
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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Posted By: Olddawgsrule
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 3:55pm
Broken welds or welds failing is becoming a common issue. Adding out riggers to the frame to help support the outer walls is becoming more apparently needed.
PM me if you so wish.
------------- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJduGeZNFgtptH67leItRFQ - Byways no Highways
2017 Tacoma
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72408 - Truck Camper Build
2004 F150 My Overlander
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 4:12pm
This is only the second issue of broken welds related to the frame. One was the Lippert frame. This was the floor. They are two separate issues. The broken weld I experienced was on a Lippert axle which is a completely different type of issue. I'm not sure I would say that they are becoming a common issue. However, if it does happen, it is a serious problem.
------------- StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...
http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 6:21am
Originally posted by StephenH
This is only the second issue of broken welds related to the frame. One was the Lippert frame. This was the floor. They are two separate issues. The broken weld I experienced was on a Lippert axle which is a completely different type of issue. I'm not sure I would say that they are becoming a common issue. However, if it does happen, it is a serious problem.
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Floor failure and frame failure are completely different. Manufacturer, fab techniques, materials, and causes of the two types of failure are all different.
There is one thing in common though. Both are the end result of FR's quest to minimize cost and weight of their products. That is what they rightly believe their customers want from them. If you want a better built, heavier, more expensive trailer there are several excellent options out there.
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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Posted By: Olddawgsrule
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 6:24am
Originally posted by StephenH
This is only the second issue of broken welds related to the frame. One was the Lippert frame. This was the floor. They are two separate issues. The broken weld I experienced was on a Lippert axle which is a completely different type of issue. I'm not sure I would say that they are becoming a common issue. However, if it does happen, it is a serious problem.
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Actually second within a month dealing with floor welds and from this group. I belong to several other and the FR related weld issue is coming up frequently now (more than wished for). Close an eye to the signs if so inclined Stephen or take preventive action (again, if so inclined).
Safe Travels!
------------- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJduGeZNFgtptH67leItRFQ - Byways no Highways
2017 Tacoma
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72408 - Truck Camper Build
2004 F150 My Overlander
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 7:12am
Okay, your sources of information have given you additional cases that I had not seen. I do keep an eye on my RPod as the last thing I want is for it to start falling apart on me. I have had some leak problems (check my mods and you will see. The water heater one was one that was challenging to find), but I think I have them all resolved now. I know the floor issue for a water damaged and sagging floor was broken welds. That same topic also mentioned the slide-out mechanism dropping also which make sense because that mechanism is in the floor, not in the walls like the Schwintek mechanism in the current RPods. The other, IIRC, was a broken rear cross-member from putting too much weight on the rear receiver (bicycle rack). These are the only topics with broken welds in the last 6 months.
I think adding at least a couple of supports would be a good idea so I will likely be trying to find a place that can do that. Meanwhile, I will be keeping an eye on things to make sure I don't see any signs that the floors might be sagging.
------------- StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...
http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 7:30am
I don't believe that there is any evidence to support floor sagging unless there is also water damage. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Based on that and observation of the floor construction I think that water intrusion is the root cause not broken welds. The plywood and the adhesives used to create the floor sandwich are integral to the integrity of the floor structure, so don't let it get wet.
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 8:07am
+1
------------- StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...
http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 8:17am
+2
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
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Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 11:52am
Actually, I saw a post from john mirucci stating his 179 floor was sagging, with no water damage at all. The problem was absolutely no support under about a 4 foot run of flooring.
------------- 2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 11:58am
Originally posted by mjlrpod
Actually, I saw a post from john mirucci stating his 179 floor was sagging, with no water damage at all. The problem was absolutely no support under about a 4 foot run of flooring. |
That doesn't sound good. Can't find that member name on this forum, was that here or somewhere else?
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 12:14pm
Yes, I saw that also and read that he added additional cross-members under the floor to strengthen it. His was a case of much use and the foam layer starting to break down. This was entirely unrelated to leaks though and was only in the high-traffic area. Nothing there indicated broken welds or sagging around the walls.
Edit: His name is John Marucci and he has a YouTube channel "On the Road." https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDHVRHLcWnqiy-QMWDBj1Ig/featured - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDHVRHLcWnqiy-QMWDBj1Ig/featured
------------- StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...
http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS
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Posted By: JR
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 3:35pm
I believe his forum handle is Podpilot
------------- Jay
179/2019
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Posted By: JR
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 3:42pm
Correction it's Pilotpodder sorry about that
------------- Jay
179/2019
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Posted By: Mirado
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 12:42pm
I have been experiencing the same problem as John Marucci. I saw his YouTube video and am presently taking similar steps to firm up the floor, which is an unsupported area 4 feet by 5 feet just forward of the axle, and is the main floor space in our 181G. I had a friend weld two steel support rails which I am going to bolt to the frame, with a piece of plywood to distribute the weight evenly over the area.
------------- Miriam and Doug
2015 Rpod 181G
Silverado 1500
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Posted By: PilotPodder
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 1:23pm
I have two videos on my 179 sagging floor issue. As Stephen said, this is due to very high use (220+ nights of use) and the fact that there is no in-floor support under the high-traffic kitchen/entry area on the 179. The factory welded two cross-members under the trailer for support. This was completed a year ago. I have just completed two trips with the 179 and the fix has held up very well. If interested, here are the video links:
1st warranty issue video, including floor problem: https://youtu.be/6g4RJZdfy7c - https://youtu.be/6g4RJZdfy7c
2nd warranty issue video dealing with the floor primarily, including detail around the factory fix: https://youtu.be/vGOfQqqu18o - https://youtu.be/vGOfQqqu18o
------------- Portage, MI — 2017 RPod 179 - sold / 2017 Toyota Tundra — https://johnmarucci.com/r-pod-video-list/ - My RPod YouTube Videos
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Posted By: Olddawgsrule
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 4:18pm
To me it's a simple thing. Oh ya, back from a Two Scouting run of backroads in New Hampshire and a few new finds. Back to topic...
Wet floor causing a weld break... especially aluminum.. that in the lifespan of a good weld?? Ya, convince yourself it's fine...
Guys, really, enough has been said about such. Pay attention if you wish to your rig to last!
------------- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJduGeZNFgtptH67leItRFQ - Byways no Highways
2017 Tacoma
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72408 - Truck Camper Build
2004 F150 My Overlander
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by Olddawgsrule
To me it's a simple thing. Oh ya, back from a Two Scouting run of backroads in New Hampshire and a few new finds. Back to topic...
Wet floor causing a weld break... especially aluminum.. that in the lifespan of a good weld?? Ya, convince yourself it's fine...
Guys, really, enough has been said about such. Pay attention if you wish to your rig to last!
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Did you watch the video? As StephenH and John Marucci have said, that was a sagging floor in the 179 kitchen area between the frame rails. What does that have to do with weld breaks at the walls? Please explain.
As I said, the floor design is not robust, it is as light and low cost as FR could make it. Clearly, it is prone to water damage and to sagging from heavy use, at least in the 179 kitchen area and it sounds like in the 181 as well. Whether it is adequate for in individual owner or not depends on how much use the trailer gets, how heavy the folks using it are, and on keeping it dry.
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2020 at 6:19pm
Originally posted by offgrid
[Did you watch the video? As StephenH and John Marucci have said, that was a sagging floor in the 179 kitchen area between the frame rails. What does that have to do with weld breaks at the walls? Please explain.
As I said, the floor design is not robust, it is as light and low cost as FR could make it. Clearly, it is prone to water damage and to sagging from heavy use, at least in the 179 kitchen area and it sounds like in the 181 as well. Whether it is adequate for in individual owner or not depends on how much use the trailer gets, how heavy the folks using it are, and on keeping it dry.
| I have not experienced a sagging floor. I just pointed out that it was PilotPodder who had that the sagging floor problem. However, putting in an additional brace or two would not be a bad idea.
------------- StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...
http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS
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Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:52pm
Here is an interesting post I found this on another Forest River forum -it may be useful as a method of reinforcing the floor in our 179's. It is about reinforcing the water tanks, but the same concept could be used for floor reinforcement. Vann https://www.forestriverforums.com/forums/f217/has-your-fresh-water-tank-grown-a-belly-212330-2.html
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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:55pm
sorry, the link above is for the last page of that post-here is the correct link for the entire post https://www.forestriverforums.com/forums/f217/has-your-fresh-water-tank-grown-a-belly-212330.html Vann
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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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