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Topic: R Pod 192
Posted By: flryder
Subject: R Pod 192
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2020 at 8:41pm
I am about to purchase a 192 from Couches RV Nation.  I have read the reviews on RV Insider and they are over the place from bad to great.  For those of you who have the 192 what are your thoughts?

And,

I am planing to tow it with my '13 Wrangler with the 3.73 axle ratios.  The Jeep is rated at 3,500 lbs with this axle ratio and the 192 is 3,449 lbs dry so I should be fine.  I have towed much heavier double axle trailers all over the state in previous vehicles so I do have lots of towing experience.  Have any of you used a Wrangler for this kind of towing, and what are your experiences?  Did you need a weight distributing system?  
Thanks,



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Dan



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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2020 at 8:56pm
No, you will not be fine. The 192 is 3,449 dry, but that does not take into account what you will be adding in the way of water, propane, clothing, food, etc. The loaded weight will be much higher. You will be well in excess of the 3,500 lb rating by the time you are done. I could tow it with the our Frontier Crew Cab 4x4 which is rated at 6,100 lbs, but the Wrangler just is not up to the task. Either consider upgrading your tow vehicle to one with a minimum of 5,000 lbs tow rating or choosing one of the smaller models that weight significantly less than 3,000 lbs dry (which rules out the 178 and higher model numbers). Please be safe, not sorry.

Edit: Actually, you could probably tow a 179, but it does not leave much room for  capacity. I originally towed our 179 with a 2016 Ford Escape SE with tow package and 2L Ecoboost engine. It also had a 3500 lb tow rating. We traveled a lot with it until we hit ice with a crosswind. That is why we now have the Frontier. There is a big difference between could and should.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2020 at 9:16am
The last thing you need to be concerned with is the review of the 192. Your tow vehicle is a wayyyyy bigger problem. They have jeepers pulling pods facebook pages, and you might want to go talk to them. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2020 at 9:46am
lol...tail wagging the dog.

If the dealership allows this, knowingly hooking up this trailer to your jeep, please tell us the name of the dealership and the salesman.

We want to give good dealerships positive exposure, and bad dealerships, well, they need to be publicly flogged.

My advice: have a will drawn up and a lawyer on speed dial. 


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2020 at 10:03am
flryder, with a 3,500 towing max for the Wrangler, you'll be overweight in a heartbeat.  Look at the GVW of the trailer.  I think it's about 4,800 lbs.  Also look at the combined gross vehicle weight for the Wrangler.  To that add the short wheelbase of the Wrangler.  It's simply not safe for you or others with whom you will share the highway.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2020 at 2:19pm
+5. 5 no votes on the Wrangler. If you've towed a lot then you know that vehicle tow ratings are given with nothing in the tow vehicle except a skinny driver. No one goes camping like that. The empty weight of a travel trailer doesn't include the battery or the water in the water heater, and of course no gear or supplies, or options. No one camps like that either. You won't be a couple hundred pounds over, you'll be 1000. The final drive ratio means nothing if you can't stop the combined rig or steer because your front axle load is too light. Get a lighter trailer or a heavier tow vehicle, both for your own sake and for everyone else's on the road with you. Please. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2020 at 11:41am
The sticker on my 180 says 2749 dry weight.  After adding sheets and towels, cleaning supplies, dishes and pots for 2, a tiny bit of food, water, sewer and electric hook-ups, a bottle jack and lug wrench and battery and propane (all with a keen eye for minimizing weight), my 180 weighs 3122 pounds. Its options and I added 350 pounds with the minimum stuff, except for the bottle of wine and bourbon, to be ready to hit the road.  I will argue with you about the beverages.  ;-)   

Towing experience notwithstanding, I'd be most concerned about a Wrangler's short wheelbase and the small distance between the hitch and its center of gravity.  You could have a "wag the dog" scene easily. 


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John
'16 R-Pod 180


Posted By: flryder
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2020 at 12:59pm
The Wrangler I have is a 4 door, many of you may have assumed it is a shorter wheelbase 2 door.  When I compare it to the same year Grand Cherokee which is rated to tow 5000 lbs with the same engine and transmission I find some interesting information:

                        JKU            GC
wheelbase         116            114.8
track                61.9           64.1
rear axle           Dana 44     Mercedes 195mm IRS
towing capacity  3500         5000
payload             880             1840
weight              4397           4632
design          body on frame    unibody with sub frame         

I wonder why the Grand Cherokee has a higher tow rating  and payload rating?



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Dan


Posted By: jalong
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 6:02pm
Grand Cherokee tow rating with the towing package is 6,200 lbs with the base 3.6L engine.
 
The three optional engines have a 7,200 lb tow rating.


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John & Sue
2016 179 - built in April 2015
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L 13-16mpg with 179 - 21-28mpg without


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 4:59am
Originally posted by flryder

The Wrangler I have is a 4 door, many of you may have assumed it is a shorter wheelbase 2 door.  When I compare it to the same year Grand Cherokee which is rated to tow 5000 lbs with the same engine and transmission I find some interesting information:

                        JKU            GC
wheelbase         116            114.8
track                61.9           64.1
rear axle           Dana 44     Mercedes 195mm IRS
towing capacity  3500         5000
payload             880             1840
weight              4397           4632
design          body on frame    unibody with sub frame         

I wonder why the Grand Cherokee has a higher tow rating  and payload rating?


Seems like its gotta be the rear axle capacity. Check the rear axle max load numbers, not usually published but they should be on the door stickers. Note that you do not get both the payload and the towing capacity at the same time. Best to weigh the axles loaded for travel (without the wdh tensioned) and be sure that those weights are all in spec along with the trailer weight, tongue weight and the MCGVW. 

You can't count on the wdh because its effectiveness changes with uneven road surfaces (higher when you go through a swale, lower when you go over a berm), so the stress from the tongue on your TV is still there. It certainly helps with ride quality and steering effectiveness though. I notice it also helps with front/rear brake proportioning. Modern vehicles have load sensors at each wheel and send more hydraulic pressure to the wheels with higher loads, so when towing you end up with too much braking action at the TV rear. The wdh helps that but you'll still go through rear brake pads faster towing that not, at least I do. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 5:15am
Originally posted by Colt

The sticker on my 180 says 2749 dry weight.  After adding sheets and towels, cleaning supplies, dishes and pots for 2, a tiny bit of food, water, sewer and electric hook-ups, a bottle jack and lug wrench and battery and propane (all with a keen eye for minimizing weight), my 180 weighs 3122 pounds. Its options and I added 350 pounds with the minimum stuff, except for the bottle of wine and bourbon, to be ready to hit the road.  I will argue with you about the beverages.  ;-)    .  

Considering that 50 lbs of that is the water sitting in the water heater, you're doing really well. To compare, my 179 comes in at around 3700. I always have  250 lbs of water and dual batteries so that explains about 320 lbs. The 179 is also a bit heavier supposedly than the 180, and I have a "real" mattress, so add another hundred or so. I'm still a couple hundred pounds heavier. I haven't ever fully emptied the trailer to compare my dry wt to FR's spec but I suspect it is heavier than they claim. 

I'm not a fan of bourbon but as long as you don't ingest it as part of getting ready to hit the road you won't get an argument from me. Tongue


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: flryder
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 12:36pm
The Dana 44 has been in various full size pick up trucks over the years and is now also in the Gladiator which is rated to tow up to 4500 lbs.  So I don't think it is the rear axle that gives a Wrangler the limitations in towing ratings.

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Dan


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by flryder

I wonder why the Grand Cherokee has a higher tow rating  and payload rating?


Make sure that you are comparing apples to apples...

Check in your owners manual to see if the ratings are SAE J2807 ratings, and if possible, do the same for the other vehicle. 

Maybe they aren't rated under the same standards, or maybe no standard test condition is used at all for either or both. 


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 7:08pm
flryder,

Actually rear axle ratio has a considerable effect on tow capacity. Most manufacture's stay around 355 to balance fuel economy and tow capacity. So the lower the number the better economy, the higher ratio better tow capacity. Most folks when shopping fail to consider axle ratios. I always try to average economy and towing.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 10:55pm
It's actually printed as 3.55, three decimal five five, but of course pronounced verbally as three-fifty-five.

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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 6:28am
By rear axle I meant the rear suspension system as a whole. Could be the springs.Take a look at the door stickers, that will tell the tale.

In the end it doesn't really matter. This is a place where the manufacturer's spec will prevail, however they got to it. You can of course always do whatever you want, its your vehicle, but if you exceed the manufacturer's ratings and have a wreck towing, an argument that this jeep should be like that jeep because this or that component is the same as on this other model won't get you very far in court. You might never make it out of debtor's prison after the lawsuits. Star


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 8:02am
As ususual, OG is an optimist.  

Knowingly towing beyond a vehicle's capacity in some states is a violation of their vehicle codes and if there was an accident, there could also be criminal penalties; in the event of a fatality, even a vehicular manslaughter charge.  


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 8:13am
LA, I wasn't being an optimist, I just figured I'd leave the criminal penalty assessment to you. you know much more about it than I do. Tongue

Point is, towing too much trailer with too little TV comes with high motivation because there is a lot of money involved in doing it right.   That's a slippery slope many folks have gone down to their sorrow. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 8:57am
OG, when I said you were an optimist, I was trying to be ironic.  I guess I should have used an emoji for clarity.  

We certainly agree that towing beyond a vehicle's weight capacity is dangerous on many fronts.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 9:10am
Yeah, I figured. I'm the guy who would have shorted Tesla stock at $200 'cept I don't have money for that sorta stuff. Embarrassed

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 12:45pm
Some might argue that with some of today's 10-speed transmissions, the rear axle ratio becomes less important. I'm not saying it's not important; only less important. Our F-150 has a 3.31 rear axle ratio, and I've never felt short of power.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 4:24pm
our 2012 ford Expedition EL came with a towing package and 3.73 rear ratio
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: flryder
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 8:40pm
Well I guess I'll only use The Ram 1500 4x4, 4.7 with 3.92 axles and leave the Wrangler for lighter work.

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Dan


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 5:02am
Great decision! If fuel burn was your concern you probably won't see much difference if any. Trailer air drag dominates at freeway speed so it doesn't matter much what you tow with as long as its got a modern drive train. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: flryder
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 8:17pm
So how about experiences with the 192.  Ours will arrive Tuesday or Wednesday?

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Dan


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 6:43am
Inspect it really well and have the dealer fix any issues before taking possession, there are always some flaws .Others here with experience buying new trailers can add more detail of that process.  Also, get a complete walk through and explanation of all systems, and video it for later reference. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 8:10am
I would recommend this. Tell them you want to see (as in remove any panels covering it) the water pump, the h/w tank by pass valves, and explain how to set them when you winterize/dewinterize. Also have him show you where the electric switch for h/w tank is. If your new to towing, have them show you how to hitch up/unhitch properly. The WDH spring bars can be hard to put on if you don't do it correctly. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding



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