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Topic: Proud new owner of a rpod 193
Posted By: dustin999
Subject: Proud new owner of a rpod 193
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 3:06pm
So we finally did it and pulled the trigger on a new rpod 193 (our first travel trailer).  I've been watching travel trailers for a year or two and really liked the rpod, but wasn't sure how it would work for our family with the available floor plans.

When they came out with the slide + bunk + murphy bed layout on the 193, I was extremely excited, but the excitement went to bitter resentment when I realized there was almost no stock in Texas (or nationwide for that matter).

Today I finally made the decision to purchase a TT, but on the way to the RV dealership to purchase a Wolf Pup, I decided to stop off at another dealer on the way.  To my surprise, they had a rpod 193 on the lot (just came in yesterday).  Yay!

I'm so excited to be a part of the rpod family.  With a wife and 2 kids, we plan on doing a lot of camping, including some boondocking down on the texas gulf coast.  This looks like the perfect rig for us, being lightweight and easy to tow on the beach.



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Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 3:12pm
Congrats you're going to love it.

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Julie


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 3:38pm
Welcome, and congrats. I'm sure you will love it. It's a great floorplan for 4 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 3:54pm
Congratulations and welcome! I hope you and your family have many fun adventures and make many great memories with your new RPod. Some of the memories I have of camping with my family as a child are the reason we have an RPod today.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 4:09pm
Welcome to the forum.  Am sure you are going to enjoy that 193!  What a great floor plan for a family your size.  Enjoy the summer, but more importantly your family as you pod around this great land we are so blessed with.

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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: D&H
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2020 at 2:34pm
Congrats on the purchase!


Posted By: Bobbo
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2020 at 8:37am
My wife Pam and I pick up our 193 this Thursday. We too looked for a couple of years before settling on this one. The new layout did it for us. Let's keep in touch and compare notes. We live in middle TN, by the way. 


Posted By: dustin999
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2020 at 2:31pm
That's awesome!  You'll love it, we're thoroughly enjoying ours.  Let me know how things go with the 193!


Posted By: KerieG
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:54am
Hi there! New here and seriously considering buying a 193, if they ever make it out to Oregon. Have my name in at two local dealers waiting for the next shipment. 

TWO QUESTIONS:

1) What do you guys tow it with? We are looking to upgrade from our Honda Pilot AWD with 5K Max towing capacity to something more mid grade with 7000-8000 capacity, but I don't want a giant expedition or even a Ford 150 because they won't fit in our garage! :) Too long.

We're thinking maybe a Ford Ranger - they came back in 2019 or Chevy Colorado

2) Are you finding the Murphy bed comfortable? We like the bunk option for our 5 year old son and possibly a friend but my husband is 6 feet tall so concerned that Murphy might not be comfortable for him length wise.

Thanks for any advice!

Kerie


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Kerie


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 1:41pm
I'm not sure if a Ranger would be adequate for you. It is a 3500 lb capacity unless you get it with the factory tow package. That boosts the towing to 7500 lbs. The restriction of 55 sq. ft frontal area must be considered also. The height x width of the RPod 193 is about 79 sq. ft. Whether the slope reduces this figure to within the limits of the 55 sq. ft. for the Ranger is a question for an engineer. The engine is a 2.3L Ecoboost engine. I was towing an RP179 with an Escape with the 2L Ecoboost engine. The Ecoboost engines are remarkable. The caveat is that you will need to use premium fuel for it. A lot depends on fuel tank size also. We were stopping every 100-150 miles to fill up with the Escape. We are now towing with an NA 4L V6 Frontier. The Ranger comes with an 18 gallon fuel tank. That is better than the Escape, but not as big as the Frontier's tank. OTOH, the mileage figures for the Ranger are better than for the Frontier, but those do not take into account towing. Figure on about half the stated mileage for when you are towing. That is, if you limit your speed to 60 mph or lower. Faster will have your mileage in the single digits very quickly.

The Colorado does (IIRC) have a Diesel option. I think that would be pretty good.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: KerieG
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 4:31pm
Thanks! I need to research the ft frontal area thing. We would absolute get the 7500 model ranger if we went that way. 

I'll have to look at the Frontier.  




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Kerie


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 4:41pm
The Rangers with Tow Package are the most in class for a mid-size, the 7500 exceeds my 2016 Colorado at 7,000. The Ecoboost is rated at 270 HP, 5 less than my 3.6 Colorado. I have towed numerous times with Colorado and no issues with that mid size with tow package. As a Chevy fan I can honestly say, Chevy hasn't come up with a marketing offset to the Ecoboost.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: KerieG
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 5:12pm
Mike do you have a 193 or similar sized one that you tow with a Colorado? I'm trying to find where the 55ft limit came from. Is that per the vehicle manufacturer? 

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Kerie


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 6:00pm
I have a RP178. Around 5K. Not sure where 55ft is mentioned. Maybe you can refresh. I can tell you NO WAY will these mid size trucks tow a 55 trailer, that's a mobile home:)

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 6:15pm
That is mentioned in Ford's towing guide for the Ranger. See this link:
http://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_Ranger_Oct15.pdf - http://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_Ranger_Oct15.pdf

Personally, I think the frontal area is a bit too restrictive. You should be fine. Just be aware that it will impact your mileage and you will be okay. I can't even find anything about frontal area limits for the Frontier in Nissan's towing guide.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 6:34pm
Thanks, SH tracking now. Not in my Colorado manual either.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: ruthalaska
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 12:47am
Ooooh, I've been seriously considering a 193 as well!  Looks like such a great floorplan with 2 kids.  

Please post all your trip reports, impressions, and notes here so we can follow along!  I've never seen one in person so I'd love your thoughts on it.  I saw a question upthread about the comfort of the Murphy bed, and I'm also wondering whether you feel there's enough counter space to make the kitchen functional. 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 6:58am
I think perhaps the confusion on frontal area is how you measure it. In aerodynamics that is the projected area of the vehicle in the airstream. So you don't take the full height x the  full width of the trailer, that will overstate it because of the ground clearance and the height of the stuff sticking up on the roof. The 183 probably is slightly over 55 ft2. A traditional rpod is about 45 ft2. 

If you really want to know your frontal area more accurately, here's the old school way. Cut out a 1 foot square piece of cardboard and tape it to the front of the trailer. Stand way back and take a photo. Then, blow up the trailer section of the photo and print out the photo and little squares the size of the cardboard square. Cover the whole trailer with little squares (and parts of squares) and count them.

Frontal area only effects air drag so is only going to be an issue if you are a speed demon on the freeway. Drive slow and it will never cause a problem.

For the same reason I think engine horsepower is overstated as a towing concern too. The 2 1/2 ton 6x6 truck won us WW2 towing unbelievable loads and it only had a little over 100 hp. But it was constructed to handle heavy loads, had very low gearing, great traction, a reliable engine and a good cooling system.  It just went slow is all. 

So if the Ranger can handle the trailer load and tongue weight, the weight of the stuff and passengers in the truck itself (MCGVR greater than actual loaded rig weight) you should be fine. Just don't speed. 





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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 8:33am
Thanks for the explanation on how to calculate the frontal area. I've not seen that before. I'm sure there is some computer program somewhere that essentially does the same thing.

Edit: I did a quick search and found this:
http://rec.outdoors.rv-travel.narkive.com/t3gQH9EG/calculation-of-frontal-area - http://rec.outdoors.rv-travel.narkive.com/t3gQH9EG/calculation-of-frontal-area

This one is simpler if one can find transparent graph paper:
https://a2wt.com/AeroInfo.html - https://a2wt.com/AeroInfo.html


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 10:03am
Any graphics software with an area function would work. Just put a 1ft square piece of cardboard in the photo for scale. But it’s important to get far back when taking the picture so it’s not distorted by being too close.

The frontal area by itself is really not very useful. Drag is Cd x A where Cd is the drag coefficient and A is frontal area. So knowing A without Cd (and vice versa) is not really very pertinent. It would be more useful to know what Ford or the other manufacturers who specify a front area assume the Cd of the rig is.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 10:38am
Instead of frontal area, perhaps they should refer to effective flat plate frontal area. That takes into account the aerodynamics, or lack thereof. Aircraft use this metric to evaluate efficiency.

Maybe it would be useful for RV manufacturers to publish the flat plate frontal area?


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 10:45am
I would go for that idea. It would make this less of a guessing game.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 11:42am
That would work. Backing into it by looking at fuel economy and assuming a frontal area of 45 ft2 I think that the "traditional" rpods have a Cd of about 0.4. That makes CdA around 18 ft2. A more precise estimate can be gotten by doing coast down testing, but I haven't gotten around to trying that.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 12:05pm
Ok, let me add something here that isn't some type of formula, that produces a number nobody understands, and then leads to different conclusions by everybody. I already tow a 195 with my Frontier. It's the exact same camper. I haven't had any problems traveling the east coast from the Canadian border to New York city area, and as far west as Iowa. I would not hesitate for one second to hook up a 193 to a Ford ranger, Colorado, Frontier, or Tacoma. The fuel economy is going to be as low as 9 - 10 Mpg, or if your lucky, 14 - 15 Mpg, no matter what you tow with. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by mjlrpod

Ok, let me add something here that isn't some type of formula, that produces a number nobody understands, and then leads to different conclusions by everybody. I already tow a 195 with my Frontier. It's the exact same camper. I haven't had any problems traveling the east coast from the Canadian border to New York city area, and as far west as Iowa. I would not hesitate for one second to hook up a 193 to a Ford ranger, Colorado, Frontier, or Tacoma. The fuel economy is going to be as low as 9 - 10 Mpg, or if your lucky, 14 - 15 Mpg, no matter what you tow with. 

Excuse me, but speak for yourself  At least 3 people on this thread both understand the formula and are interested in the frontal area and drag coefficients of these trailers, and in why the manufacturers spec them as they do. If you aren't interested or choose not to take the effort to understand this stuff than that's your choice, just ignore the posts. 

As for leading to different conclusions by everybody, that does not seem to be the case. I for one happen to agree with you, as I have said. A Ranger with the higher tow rating should be able to handle a 193.  



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 1:19pm
Well I didn't see the OP ask if someone could explain what frontal area is, and could we please discuss it to nauseam. You could take your own perfectly good advise and ignore MY post if you don't like it. I was trying to answer the question, not complicate it. 



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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 3:17pm
What you apparently find to be complicated might seem the opposite to others. Its a forum, people can post what they want. But if you post something insulting, which you did, then don't be surprised to get a reaction from other members. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 4:28pm
I just eyeballed our trailer and truck.  The part of the trailer that is not behind the bed is about 7'x6' and is sloped like the curve on a pod.  I guess, worst case scenario, I'm under 50 sq.ft. full frontal ....ity.

I guess it works well as we just got back from another trip to the Lassen National Forest and the truck's computer says we got 14.8 mpg.  I wonder if it's lying or trying to trick me?  I think we'll go camping again at least once more in July, and as many trips as we can squeeze in in August and September.  Tongue


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by lostagain

I just eyeballed our trailer and truck.  The part of the trailer that is not behind the bed is about 7'x6' and is sloped like the curve on a pod.  I guess, worst case scenario, I'm under 50 sq.ft. full frontal ....ity.
I guess it works well as we just got back from another trip to the Lassen National Forest and the truck's computer says we got 14.8 mpg.  I wonder if it's lying or trying to trick me?  I think we'll go camping again at least once more in July, and as many trips as we can squeeze in in August and September.  Tongue


You don’t subtract the cross section of the TV. Basically the frontal area of the trailer is the same as the frontal area of the rig because the trailer is larger than the TV all dimensions. In the end you want to know the effective frontal area (Cd x A) of the whole rig, that’s what counts. Hope that makes sense.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 5:15pm
Nope, it's not clear, at least to someone as slow as me.  But then I rarely drive fast.  The back of the truck is 6' wide and 4.5' high to the top of the tonneau covered bed.  The trailer is 7' wide and about 8.5' tall with the same curved front as an r-Pod.  There isn't a lot of trailer showing looking at the truck and trailer combined from the front.  And there are no cantilevered wheel with phenomenal wind resistance sticking out the sides.  Ermm  So what would be the Cd x A?  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 5:21pm
I don't think you can just take the frontal area; exposed or not. A significant portion (in fact, I think the majority) of the drag from trailer towing is the "suction" at the rear. That's why very aerodynamic things (e.g. airplanes) have the pointy part in the rear; it's to reduce the turbulence/suction/drag imposed by the back end of whatever it is.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 6:14pm
So a giant dunce cap on the back of the trailer is what I need?Confused  Too much time on my hands after returning from camping.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: KerieG
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 9:09pm
Wow thank you all for the explanations. We are still debating what to do. Its a chicken or egg thing. We have a Honda Pilot AWD with 5K towing capacity but I REALLY want that 193. But ugh this pandemic is both making me crazy and need to get out of this house but also the idea of trading in a vehicle right now is a pain in the butt. 

Thank you all for the info! Lots to consider. 


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Kerie


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2020 at 5:06am
Originally posted by KerieG

Wow thank you all for the explanations. We are still debating what to do. Its a chicken or egg thing. We have a Honda Pilot AWD with 5K towing capacity but I REALLY want that 193. But ugh this pandemic is both making me crazy and need to get out of this house but also the idea of trading in a vehicle right now is a pain in the butt. 

Thank you all for the info! Lots to consider. 

Good for you in recognizing that the tow vehicle you have isn't up to towing that trailer. You have a decision to make, smaller trailer or bigger tow vehicle. I have a Highlander which is a good all around mid sized SUV with I think the same towing capacity as your Pilot. It gets used 90% of the time with no trailer behind it. Paired with the 179, it is a good match and provides what my wife and I find is an ideal size rig for two people.  I wouldn't want anything bigger, and wasn't interested in owning a pickup truck again. Others have different needs, opinions, and budgets.


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2020 at 5:54am
Originally posted by lostagain

Nope, it's not clear, at least to someone as slow as me.  But then I rarely drive fast.  The back of the truck is 6' wide and 4.5' high to the top of the tonneau covered bed.  The trailer is 7' wide and about 8.5' tall with the same curved front as an r-Pod.  There isn't a lot of trailer showing looking at the truck and trailer combined from the front.  And there are no cantilevered wheel with phenomenal wind resistance sticking out the sides.  Ermm  So what would be the Cd x A?  

The reason aerodynamicists separate A and Cd is so they have separate shape and scale factors.  That way they can do small scale wind tunnel testing of a shape and then scale it up to full size using the frontal area A. 

Since the tow vehicle and trailer share an air stream they effect each other, so, think of the rig as a single shape, It doesn't work to try to calculate their areas and drag coefficients separately. In this case the rig has a frontal area of say 55 square feet, the area of the trailer, which is larger than the tow vehicle. 

We don't know what the Cd is, which is why the manufacturer's 55 square foot restriction seems pretty bogus. The other reason is that just slowing down 5 mph has about the same impact as say the difference between 45 and 55 square feet would, everything else being equal.  My guess is that the manufacturers just use A because it is fairly easy to measure. No one knows the Cd of each combination of tow vehicle and trailer. It allows them to place some kind of limit on the size of trailers being towed which they could use to protect themselves from litigation I suppose. 

I came up with the roughly 0.4 Cd for my rig by backing into it using fuel efficiency and rolling resistance numbers. But its a rough assumption, and similar to what other boxy vehicles are. The way to find out would be to do coast down testing. For me, that would only be worthwhile to test out the effect of a spoiler on the back of the SUV or removing the a/c or something like that.



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2020 at 8:17am
Oh, heck, I'm just not going to think about it any more.  My truck is balanced with the trailer to the point that it drives smoothly, has no tail wagging the dog issues, gets above average mileage, does fine with strong cross winds, and has plenty of reserve power.  So I'll just keep plodding along with the cruise control set at 55, smiling as I drive, and arriving relaxed and ready to so some more serious relaxing at the destination.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2020 at 10:01am
Originally posted by lostagain

Oh, heck, I'm just not going to think about it any more.  My truck is balanced with the trailer to the point that it drives smoothly, has no tail wagging the dog issues, gets above average mileage, does fine with strong cross winds, and has plenty of reserve power.  So I'll just keep plodding along with the cruise control set at 55, smiling as I drive, and arriving relaxed and ready to so some more serious relaxing at the destination.  

Sounds like a good plan to me. Besides, while you're in CA you'll be driving at the legal speed limit for towing. Tongue


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: KerieG
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 4:25pm
Welp we did it! I think we're the first 193 owners in the PNW. Still working on upgrading the tow vehicle but I couldn't pass up the 193 that was on the lot.  Super excited! 

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Kerie


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 4:44pm
Congratulations and welcome! Just take it easy until you can upgrade. I hope you have many fun adventures and make many great memories with your new RP193.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: KerieG
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 4:56pm
Thanks! 

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Kerie



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