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Topic: About to buy a 196 - advice?
Posted By: trajoi
Subject: About to buy a 196 - advice?
Date Posted: 18 May 2020 at 4:30pm
Hi Everyone!
I am new to the r-pod world, and super excited about it! 
I am thinking of the 196, any advice? What did any one pay? 
What should I be aware of? It is the 2020 brand new one. 
Thank you! Also, I am glad to have found this forum :)



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Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 18 May 2020 at 4:57pm
Congratulations!  I was in your shoes back in January 2011 when a 177 was special ordered.  Still have it today with many great memories in the rear view mirror. 

Advice: Regardless of where you are purchasing make sure to do a video as you are shown all the features.  It seems like you are in a dreamworld as they go through all the things "you need to know" and as you encounter information overload, much will be forgotten.  When I went through that process, the salesperson was more than helpful as we were both writing down as much as we could while he explained how everything worked, from the hot water heater to the refrigerator to the winter bypass valves to the furnace, proper set-up, r-dome, ect.  Our walkthru was probably a good 2.5 hours, we were so pleased with the salesman as well the the dealer we purchased our 177 from in Escanaba (U.P.) Michigan.  Also, if you are a FB person (I not much so but my wife is) you can also check out the RPOD facebook owners page, lots of info there as well.  Much more heavily visited and used than here.  BUT I have benefited greatly here over the years, many well seasoned podders here who know a lot more than me.  Enjoy and keep us all in the loop as you bring that 196 home!


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 18 May 2020 at 6:09pm
Thank you! I am so excited! NOW I need to learn about towing, and solar, and wifi, and black water dumping! FUN TIMES!!! SmileSmileSmileSmile


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 9:11am
Hi, welcome to the site, and the Rpod world. As far as the 196, I think you will probably love it, depending on your situation. I have a 195, same model, but we have a dinette instead of the couch. I think I probably would like the couch better, so, good choice. It's mostly only me and my wife in mine, occassionily my daughter. We have plenty of space, and the size is great. You will need a decent sized tow vehicle to tow this. I use a Nissan Frontier and have few issues,I wouldn't mind a little more power on steep hills, but no matter what you have, steep hills are harder. just a little info If your choosing a tow vehicle. You will want to get a Weight distribution hitch (known as WDH) to help sway and overall control. The first 2 things I would recommend are, get a water pressure regulator before hooking up water. And get a Progressive 30 amp EMS surge protector (or better) but I think this is plenty, before plugging into an electrical source. People will recommend all kinds of stuff, but I think this is a good start. 

BTW: I always recommend getting the hardwired EMS so that you put it in and forget it. Never forget to use, and never forget to put it back in the camper before leaving. 


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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 9:35am
THANK YOU!!! You just made my day :) I might have more questions for you in the future... be prepared! hahaha! 

I am looking into a new car/tow vehicle now and weighing my options, so thank you for the advice! Thank you for the water pressure and surge protector advice as well! YOU are my new hero!! 

Thank you again!
Stay safe and take care!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 9:38am
Watch out for the "hidden" costs, dealer fees, doc fees, etc. Also, the best time to get any options is before you strike a deal. You will need batteries for it, I'd recommend two 6V golf cart batteries in series if you will be boondocking, one 12V battery if not. One propane tank comes with it, and that is generally enough for most folks unless you will be camping in cold weather and need to run the furnace a lot, in which case you will probably want 2.

If you're considering solar it sounds like you might be planning to boondock. If so you will want an alternative power source. Solar is great if you aren't camping under tree canopy or in cloudy weather all the time. You might want to start with  a portable 100 watt system (solar module, charge controller, 30-50 ft long cable, and tilt rack) that way you can more easily position the solar module in the sun. You don't need to buy the "pre wired" brand, whatever that is at the moment, any kit will do and can be directly connected to the batteries (with a fuse). 

If you're mostly boondocking in heavy forest or want to run the a/c and micro then you'll probably want a generator. Get an inverter/generator (quieter and more efficient) either 3kw or higher if you want to run the a/c or 2.2kW and install an a/c soft start. 

As mjlrpod says you will need a fairly serious tow vehicle for that trailer, a mid size SUV won't cut it. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Capt Kidd
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 10:30am
I tow my 196 with a 2016 Dodge Durango V6.  It works great.  I use the paddle shifters and find that I can tow at 60 mph in 7th gear if no head winds and get 13 to 14 mpg.

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The Pirate's Pod


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 10:32am
Thank you! Yes, I will be needing all the solar... I know that what the dealer is offering is not enough, so I am looking into getting solar installed elsewhere. 

THANK you for all of the advice!!! I have so much to learn! :) 


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 10:42am
Thank you! I am looking into V6 SUVs - still looking and cost and everything....


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 11:12am
Engine size isn't really the issue, its tow capacity, hitch capacity, and max combined gross vehicle weight (MCGVW). Weight adds up very fast, you'll be surprised.  A typical mid size V6 SUV with a 5000 lb tow capacity like my Highlander isn't going to be sufficient for that trailer. I would want at least a Tahoe or Sequoia size vehicle for that job. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 11:23am
Hmmm... I was looking at the 4runner - which is this: Does anyone this this will suffice?
PERFORMANCE
Base engine size4.0 Liters
Base engine typeV-6
Horsepower270 Hp
Horsepower rpm5,600
Torque278 Lb-Ft.
Torque rpm4,400
Payload1,495 Lbs.
Maximum towing capacity5,000 Lbs.
Drive typeFour-Wheel
Turning radius18.7 ''


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 12:00pm
Trajoi, If your thinking Suv, how about the Nissan pathfinder. It has a 6,000 pound tow cap, and a payload of 1324 - 1700 pounds, depending on model. I personally think it's a better choice over all 



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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 12:05pm
I would say no. You should work off of gross trailer weight not empty weight. You're going to be boondocking so carrying water in the water heater and the tank(s), plus batteries, supplies, gear, etc etc.  GTW is about 4800 lbs on the 196. The 4runner has a tow capacity of 5000, but that's with nothing in the vehicle except the driver. You will be carrying gear and passengers. Then there is the hitch weight. With water and batteries the nominal 360 lbs is going to be over 500, and I think the 4runner's hitch capacity is 500, again with nothing in it. And a weight distribution hitch does not increase your hitch capacity unless the manufacturer says it does, it only helps balance the load out. Do you really want to be at or over your vehicle's capacities from the start?

 If you want to tow with that size vehicle (I do) then get a lighter trailer. I think my 179 is the heaviest I would ever want to go and I keep things as light as I can. Again, power is not the issue, its handling the weight safely. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 12:15pm
Ok. Thank you! Great points about the added weight! You are absolutely correct.
I will keep looking, cause the 196 is definitely the trailer I want.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 12:28pm
The 6000 lb Pathfinder or a Tahoe are good suggestions, i would go with that or better, especially since you want to boondock, and even higher if you want to carry a bunch of stuff in the TV. Try to get at least 600 lbs tongue weight too, I suspect you'll be close of not over that. You might also want to consider a 4 door full size pickup instead of a SUV. 

If you want to be sure, get all your TV and trailer specs and put them in this calculator. Use max gross trailer weight for the trailer (about 4800) and 13% of that for the tongue weight, so just around 600. You want to be between 10 and 15 percent of trailer weight on the tongue, never less than 10 or you can get sway. Then add the weight of all the stuff and passengers to the TV plus the wdh at about 100 lbs and see what the calculator tells you. 

https://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php - https://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Capt Kidd
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 1:26pm
I tow my 196 with my 2016 Dodge Durango which is rated to tow 6200# and it works just fine.  I have towed over 8000 ft passes with no sweat at all.  My Durango has the V6 engine.

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The Pirate's Pod


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 1:48pm
A lot of difference will be in the gearing and whether the engine is turbocharged or not. A naturally aspirated engine with 4 speeds will not tow nearly as well as the same engine with 8 or 10 speeds. Add in a turbocharger, and it will tow even better.

My former 4 cylinder Escape with a 2L Ecoboost engine towed better in the mountains than the current 4L V6 naturally aspirated engine in the Frontier. One downside of the turbo is that the Escape would also tend to heat up much more if going up a steep hill at low speeds. I could see it in the Torque app's catalytic converter temperature readings. We came close to overheating once when trying to get up to the Blue Ridge Parkway when we were on a steep, narrow road with lots of curves and switchbacks. The engine started going a power limited mode. I was able to pull off and let it cool to make it the rest of the way. Once we were able to build up some speed though, the cooling was more efficient and we did not have any more problems.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 2:22pm
Thank you Stephen! Good to know! :)


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 2:23pm
I am still looking into other cars... still have not decided, but I definitely am getting that weighted distribution hitch! 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 2:58pm
Don't forget this is supposed to be fun and relaxing, not white knuckling it every time you tow.Thumbs Up
And, because most of the energy consumed towing is used to overcome trailer air drag, you won't get any better fuel economy towing with a marginal TV rather than a more capable one. In fact, it could be worse. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 2:59pm
Big smile YES! There is just SO much to know and learn. I am EXCITED, yet nervous. 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 3:04pm
You'll be fine, you're asking all the right questions and cross checking what the salespeople are telling you with actual owners before spending your hard earned dollars. The sales folks, bless their hearts, are trying to sell you something so its always good to take what they say with a grain of salt. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 4:21pm
Trajol, one thing that I found helpful was to use a pre-delivery check list when you do your walk through.  There are a number of them on the internet.  I ended up combining the best of several, but all give you a good way to go through all the common issues and make sure they are corrected before you actually take delivery.  R-Pods give great value for the money, but as with all RV's, their quality control is often lacking and a good list gives you a reliable means to check for failures or shoddy work.  

At the first pre-delivery inspection of the trailer that replaced our Pod, I spent about 3 hours going through everything with the check list.  When I took delivery, I had the list to work from to make sure that everything was right.  It is best if you can take delivery at the dealer so when you review the punch list work, you can verify that they did it correctly.

If you have a friend who has an RV, it would be very helpful if you could convince her/him to accompany you on the walk throughs.  Experienced eyes really help spot issues that need attention.  

Best of luck with your purchase.  


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 4:23pm
Mileage is a difficult thing to estimate. You can have the most efficient vehicle around, but if you try to tow fast (e.g. 65 mph or higher), you will get poor mileage. My first times towing, I was trying to tow 65-70 mph (posted Interstate speed limits) and was getting about 8-10 mpg, especially when I hit a headwind. I decided to slow down (I was using a WDH from the start), and it became both a better, less white-knuckle experience, and my mileage increased to a more respectable 12-13 mpg. With the small SUV, I added a Purpleline AeroPlus wind deflector, and saw my mileage increase further to 13-16 mpg. Not towing, we would get closer to 30 mpg on the highway.

We changed after an accident to the Frontier. Same towing speed, but the AeroPlus proved to not help because it sits too far forward. If I had a cap instead of a tonneau cover, it would likely do more good. My mileage towing is more like 11-13 mpg. Since the Frontier is 4WD, it is only rated for 19 mpg highway when not towing. I rarely see that figure though. A Diesel would likely do much better on mileage, but the cost of a Diesel engine plus the additional cost of Diesel fuel (and DEF) would negate much of that mileage advantage. Still though, if I could find a Diesel truck at a good price (not $70,000 for sure! That is almost half the price of the house we live in.), I would likely go for it.

Bottom line: Slow down. The journey is part of the adventure. Make it a  point to relax while traveling. This would apply no matter what brand or size trailer you purchase.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 4:43pm
Great idea about that checklist!! THANK YOU!! 


Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 4:45pm
I will definitely need to learn how to slow down... driving, and for life in general Smile

Thank you!


Posted By: Capt Kidd
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 5:32pm


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The Pirate's Pod


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 6:01pm
When you go for the walk thru, make sure they show you where the bypass valves for the H/W tank are,(make him remove the panel) and how they should be set. then have him show you where the water pump is (remove panel) and show you the valves for syphon and normal. Also the low point drains. Have him show you the electric on/off switch for the water heater. And how to set the fridge to run on elec, or gas. 



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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 6:02pm
We tow our 179 with a Ford Expedition EL.
3It has a v8 and 3.73 rear gear ratio,  We have plenty of power, plenty of weight capacity and plenty of room to carry all of the extra stuff we think we need. It is the same basic frame/engine/transmission as the Ford F150.  We use an Equalizer 4 point WDH and feel safe with the combination. We have used it for 4 years and love it. I would highly recommend it as a capable tow vehicle.

We have packed the Pod and the truck and then gone to our local landfill and weighed the combination.  You will be surprised how much weight you will add to the empty trailer weight and also to the tow vehicle weight. don't underestimate the combined weight of the two.

Most dealers will include a "starter kit" with a new unit-water hose, water pressure reducer, tank drain  ose, toilet chemicals, wheel chocks and maybe more.  One item you will use is a 30amp to 15 amp power adapter.  this will allow you to plug your Pod into a standard outlet at your home or anywhere that the 30 amp service is not available.

Once you get the new Pod, one of the best things you can do is to "camp" in your driveway-you will find out pretty quick what you forgot and what you need without being far from home. It is a great learning experience.
Good luck-feel free to ask questions-we all started at the beginning and learned from this Forum
Vann



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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: trajoi
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 10:58pm
Thank you, and yes, great idea! I will have them walk me through everything! I need to know how to use everything. Ha!



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