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Topic: Roof Top AC for sale
Posted By: geewizard
Subject: Roof Top AC for sale
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 8:27am
I removed the rooftop AC from our 2017 177 and replaced it with a fan.

Anyone interested in buying it (and the thermostat)?  Make me an offer.


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC



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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 8:46am
I’m planning on doing the same thing. How did you wire the fan? Maybe do a post on the mod?

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 12:25pm
Removal was pretty straightforward.  This pertains strictly to my Rpod 2017 177 HRE AC removal.

-set AC breaker to off and AC unplugged from the Rpod
-removed inside AC cover (4 screws) and gently pry off from aluminum bracket.
-disconnected AC wiring, thermostat control wiring, and 12v wiring.
-there was a metal outlet box screwed into the plywood which contained the AC wiring.  I removed the box.

-I took my Rpod to a local dealer and had them remove the 180lb AC unit off the roof (($50)
-just prior to the local dealer picking up the AC unit off the roof, I went inside and undid 4 or 5 hex bolts holding the rooftop unit to the aluminum bracket on the inside (to which the internal cover attached).
-at this point, I had an open hole in the roof and I could see where the AC, 12v, and thermostat wiring went into horizontal holes drilled in the roof plywood on the bathroom side.
-I cut off the AC wires so no bare copper was showing and then put heat shrink tubing on each wire.
-I bent the AC wire 180 degrees and pushed it back into the hole so it would be accessible in the future.
-once the fan was centered in the roof hole, I marked each screw hole in the flange with a fine tip marker.
-I then removed the fan from the hole and drilled pilot holes into the roof with a drill bit marked with tape for the correct length of the screws.
-I cleaned the roof with alcohol and then applied a bead of Dicor self-leveling caulk right on top of the drilled holes all the way around the opening.
-I placed the fan into the hole and then "found" the drilled holes with each screw and tightened them down by hand.
-I covered each screw with more Dicor and evened up the Dicor that squished out from the fan flange with a wet finger.
-I had two 12v cables coming out of the hole and testing showed which one was live.  The other one went to several lights.  I used wire nuts to connect both of these existing 12v cables to the fan 12v wires.  I pushed the excess 12v wires back into their hole in the plywood once the fan was installed.
-I had two thermostat wires coming out of their hole in the plywood.  One thermostat cable went to the wall thermostat and the other went to the furnace.
-I soldered the red to red and white to white and covered both connections with heat shrink tubing.
-I pushed the excess thermostat wires back into their hole such that they could be retrieved later.
-I tucked the 12v wiring up alongside the fan housing and the plywood.
-I removed the AC thermostat from the wall and installed a new thermostat.
Honeywell TH1100DV1000 Pro-Digital 2-Wire Heat Only (Amazon)


-I tested the fan, thermostat, and heater operation.
-I held the inside fan cover up on the fan to gauge how much I'd need to cut off and then added 1/4" to that measurement so I'd have a snug fit.
-I had some of the adhesive decorative paper on the roof luan board misplaced by the inside AC aluminum clamp moving around somehow.  I used a hair dryer to gently heat it up and stretch it back into place.  Most of these were covered by the fan cover but I wanted them smooth and flat too.
-I marked, drilled pilot holes for, and screwed the inside fan cover into the ceiling.  The screws went into the aluminum frame so drilling pilot holes was a must.

-I have placed a label over the AC thermostat breaker that says DISCONNECTED.

That's it.  Not too big of a chore at all.

Any questions, fire away.  Sorry, no pics.





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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: marwayne
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 1:10pm
I have a 13500 btu sitting around at home I'll give it away for free.

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If you want something done right, do it yourself.
2011 RP172, 2016 Tundra 5.7 Litre, Ltd.




Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by marwayne

I have a 13500 btu sitting around at home I'll give it away for free.


Now how in the heck am I going to get any money for my 13.5k btu AC if you do this???  LOL


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 4:45pm
Say, we were ahead in that we special ordered our 177 back in January 2011 with NO A/C.  Love the extra light that comes in.  In that hole the factory just put in a unit similar to the FF in the bathroom sans the fan so we can open it up whenever we want extra ventilation, works great!


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 6:09am
Originally posted by geewizard


-at this point, I had an open hole in the roof and I could see where the AC, 12v, and thermostat wiring went into horizontal holes drilled in the roof plywood on the bathroom side.

-I had two 12v cables coming out of the hole and testing showed which one was live.  The other one went to several lights.  I used wire nuts to connect both of these existing 12v cables to the fan 12v wires.  I pushed the excess 12v wires back into their hole in the plywood once the fan was installed.


That's it.  Not too big of a chore at all.

Any questions, fire away.  Sorry, no pics.



Thanks for the thorough description.

What I'm understanding is that there were two +12V wires visible within the roof cavity after you removed the a/c unit? One of those was unswitched and the other was powered from the 7 pin connector and went to the trailer lights?  Were you able to determine where the power for the unswitched line came from? Was there a -12V line there as well? 

If you connected the +12V line feeding the lights to the unswitched +12V line at the fan then your trailer lights ought to be on all the time so I might not be understanding this correctly. 

Re your roof a/c, in normal times I'd suggest putting it on Craigslist in the RV section, you probably need to try to sell it locally as it would  probably cost more than its worth to ship it somewhere. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 8:20am
offgrid,

There were two 12vdc wires (2 conductors each) visible in the roof cavity after I removed the AC.  They were connected together (two +12 conductors connected together and two -12v conductors connected together) and also went to the AC.  One wire was the +/- 12v feed from, I assume, the converter and the other one went to the ceiling lights and maybe the radio, I'm not entirely sure.  Definitely NOT the tail lights.

Yes, it was a +12 and a =12 conductor in the wire.  Standard 12v power situation.
I connected them back together and also included the 12v wires to the fan.  So, I had three +12v conductors connected with a wire nut and three -12v conductors connected with a wire nut.

I hope that's clearer.


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 8:46am
Got it now thanks geewizard. So you now have the new fan on the same circuit as your ceiling lights. That should work fine for me as well.

I might try parking under a tree limb, lifting my a/c up on a couple of blocks, tieing it off, pulling the blocks, and then driving out from under it.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 1:29am
Where do you live that you can sleep w/o A/C?

It's a noisy S.O.B., but I gotta have it. Is there a quieter unit that fits?

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John
'16 R-Pod 180


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 6:54am
Michigan here.  Ordered our 177 back in January 2011 without A/C and no regrets.  There have been a few times it would have been nice like last September when we were in Arches NP and it hit 108 during the day, but like nearly all national parks no electric is available and then a few days later in Kodachrome State Park when it climbed to 116, yes we were warm but managed.  Just recently returned from Guyana, South America where daily temps hit 110 with 88% humidity, now the humidity is a bugger but by evening it does cool down to 70 or so and the humidity drops so one can sleep. 


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 7:07am
In the dry West, most places you camp cool down at night so you don't really need a/c to sleep.

 For myself, living in the southeast, I need a/c to sleep too. If I remove mine it will be to replace it with a nice quiet high efficiency residential mini split. The evaporator would go above the head end of the bed and the condenser on the tongue where my batteries are currently, freeing up the roof space. 

My goal is the end-state objective for boondockers: off grid solar a/c. With a large Li battery and fully covering the pod roof with solar, plus another module or two on the TV I think it can be done, but not with that horrendously inefficient noisy Dometic. When I say it can be done that is for night use only, as you suggest. Forget running it during the day without some kind of fossil fuel power source. 

I don't know of any rooftop units that don't sound like a jet turbine spooled up for a takeoff roll.  


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 8:33am
Originally posted by Colt

Where do you live that you can sleep w/o A/C?

It's a noisy S.O.B., but I gotta have it. Is there a quieter unit that fits?


We camp in the Pacific NW, Canada, Montana, Idaho, etc. where it cools off at night.
And until it does cool off, we use evaporative cooling.

I don't know of a quieter unit.


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 9:25am
Originally posted by Colt

Where do you live that you can sleep w/o A/C?

It's a noisy S.O.B., but I gotta have it. Is there a quieter unit that fits?
Not that I know of. If you go outside and listen, it sounds very quiet. Inside, with the limited space, the sound appears to be amplified. There are some things that help.

First, instead of having the fan set to auto, set it to low so the fan runs all the time. Then it will only be the compressor sound added to it. The ear adapts to the constant sound of the AC much better than the intermittent sound.

Second, close the big center vent and just have the side vents open. That will be quieter. Give it a test listen.

Third is to do what I did. Take the inside shroud off and line it with closed cell foam. I used a thin self-adhesive sheet for this. It is much like what would be used to line the drawer of a tool chest to keep tools from moving around. Be careful not to obstruct the movement of any of the vents, especially the large one. If you do this, be careful. There are 8 screws holding the inside shroud, not all of which are readily visible. When you put it up, be careful to tuck the wires out of the way of moving parts and as much out of the air stream as possible. It won't quiet things down much, but every little bit helps.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS



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