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Topic: Just bought a used Rpod
Posted By: zookagumby
Subject: Just bought a used Rpod
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:52pm
Hi all,
We recently picked up a 2016 R-pod 177 from a dealer.  The trailer is in pretty good shape, but several things needed attention - it is pretty obvious they are not assembled like aircraft...LOL.
One thing stood out though, after towing the trailer for about 15 miles to get home, one wheel stunk of burned brake lining. I later pulled the drums to check everything out and pack the wheel bearings to find that the left side brake was adjusted way too tightly - I couldn't pull the drum until I had backed the adjuster off quite a bit.  It had gotten so hot it completely liquified the wheel bearing grease, which got past the seal and made a mess. So..I cleaned everything up, adjusted the brakes, and went for a ride, but no brakes! As it turns out, both sides had wire failures at the connector to the line that comes directly from the brake coil.  It seems that the factory assembly allows some of the weight of the wiring harness (not much, but significant, IMO) to be borne by the brake coil wire which eventually stress hardens and fails.  If they had supported the harness on the top of the axle/spindle area that would not have occurred.  I suspect someone didn't know the brakes had failed and unknowingly tried to compensate with over-tightening the adjuster.  I don't know if all the r-pod models are assembled this way,  so I bring this up as some may want to check that wiring and possibly re-locate and ziptie the harness so it will be supported upon the upper side of the axle-spindle area - to help avoid that kind of failure in the future.  
The dealer didn't check anything out regarding the brakes, the propane plumbing, and didn't even drain the black and gray tanks.  Sheesh

I'm amazed at the popularity of this trailer (which I previously had never heard of), and the amount of participation this forum has.  I look forward to learning from you folks.
Tom


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2019 Ram 1500, 2016 Rpod 177



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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 11:06pm
Interesting post, I’ll take a look at mine. Thanks for the suggestion.

One comment, those insulation displacement connectors are not best practice. It is recommended to use butt splices and exterior adhesive lined heat shrink tubing instead.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Kup-Pod
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 6:44am
This is great information, I'll definitely be looking at mine this weekend.  I know that wires hang down below the axle, but adding some protection is a good idea.  Thanks.

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2017 RP-178
2021 F150 5.0l
"Lead me on a level path"


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 8:11am
Congratulations on your new acquisition.  Sorry you had problems right out the gate, but it sounds like you have it well under control.  As for the dealer, selling any kind of a vehicle that is supposed to travel on public roads and highways with out having made sure the brakes were working properly, or at least warning you that they didn't work, is what we call in the legal business willful and wanton disregard for the safety of others, practically a criminal act.  Thankfully, there was no accident and no one got hurt.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 8:39am
One of the first things I did was tidy up all the wiring on my brand new pod.

Including the brake wiring.




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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 10:12am
The previous owner may not have tightened the brakes too much. They are self-adjusting. I had the same thing happen with one side of our 179 where the (door side) wheel's brakes got very tight but the slide side's brakes did not. Likewise, I had a seal failure also on that side. The brakes were replaced and new bearings and seals installed at the same time as I had the axle replaced. 

I fully agree that the dealer was negligent by not checking the brakes before he sold the RPod to you.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: zookagumby
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 10:47am

I had considered the possibility that the auto-adjust brake was the culprit also.  Your experience tells me that is a more likely cause.  The next time I work on the wheels, I will disable the auto-adjust feature, as the potential damage from that feature is much more a concern than the occasional minor manual adjustment hassle.
Tom


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2019 Ram 1500, 2016 Rpod 177


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 10:47am
At least some dealers have a crude way of testing and adjusting the electric brakes, and with the 'self-adjusters', one brake can end up tighter than the other.

A good way to check electric trailer brakes is with a variable voltage power supply, but many dealers don't even seem to be aware of this.

Plus, if the seals leak, then the brake shoes can get contaminated, making one side 'grabby' or worse.

I like the irony with the Dexter 'Nev-R-Adjust' brakes...which, when translated, means, 'hard to keep them balanced'...(never adjusted)....




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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 11:18am
The trick I use to see if my trailer brakes are reasonably balanced is to make a few stops from say around 30 mph using trailer brakes only (by sliding the manual lever on the controller) then stopping and measuring drum temperatures with an IR thermometer. The temps won't be identical but they should be reasonably close.

If one is much cooler than the other then something is wrong. I found the curb side brake to be much cooler. That side has longer wire lengths and more connectors so it takes less current. Once I rewired they were a lot closer to the same temperature. 

To check if one is dragging disconnect the trailer connector and drive a few miles, then stop and use the IR thermometer. They should both be within a few degrees of ambient temperature. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 11:39am
I don't need no stinkin' IR thermometer.....I just reach around and quickly touch the drums with the back of my knuckles. I can tell really fast if one is hotter than the other!

I will also grab the hubs, kick the tires, place my palm on the tread, and feel and smell for anything hot. I do this after nearly every highway run, when getting gas, taking a pee-break, whatever.

Of course, I've got a few million miles driving trucks. Comes with the territory. 




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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: zookagumby
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 11:49am
LOL...yep, that's how I knew the brakes weren't working!  After a long downhill, I just felt how hot the drums were...and they weren't.   I'm in the process right now of disabling the self-adjusters; using a dremel to change the angle of the adjusting-star actuating plate edge so it can no longer engage. 

Tom


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2019 Ram 1500, 2016 Rpod 177


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 12:15pm
Thanks but I'll stick with my IR thermometer. One of my favorite tools. Don't have to get down on my knees and reach around, and no burned fingers. Useful for lots of other things as well, like checking fridge and a/c evaporator temps. 

BTW, you don't need a separate variable voltage power supply. An electronic brake controller already is a pulse width modulated power supply. It's voltage setting is the reading when you slide the manual lever to full. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by offgrid

Thanks but I'll stick with my IR thermometer. One of my favorite tools. Don't have to get down on my knees and reach around, and no burned fingers. Useful for lots of other things as well, like checking fridge and a/c evaporator temps. 

BTW, you don't need a separate variable voltage power supply. An electronic brake controller already is a pulse width modulated power supply. It's voltage setting is the reading when you slide the manual lever to full. 

No burned fingers here either....I'm good at this..and yeah, I also know how the brake controllers work.

And I own two IR guns me-own-self...Tongue

But...a variable voltage power supply is easier and works with no vehicle (or assistant) needed. You can dial up the exact voltage (usually 2-4 volts) that slightly engages the brake magnets, with just a small amount of rotational drag when both wheels are jacked up off the ground. Adjust the starwheels for a balance between both sides. 

A simple lab supply with 0-15v and about 3 amps is sufficient for testing, as well as checking or servicing the lights on the trailer when its not hooked up to a vehicle.


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 12:45pm
Are your fingers calibrated in Fahrenheit or Celsius?

I don’t need a helper or a power supply either, just adjust the controller to the voltage you want and tape the lever full on. Ain’t nothing you cain’t fix with duct tape.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 1:57pm
Right knuckles: Fahrenheit. Left knuckles: Celsius. 

I do the F to C or C to F conversion in my head while I'm walking around to the other side and using the opposite hand. The smell of burning flesh means that there was a mountain behind me.

Hey, you asked! Tongue

Duct tape is fine, but my lab supply is calibrated to 1/100th of a volt. I be in the know, don't cha know.

Geek




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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 2:06pm
Originally posted by podwerkz

I don't need no stinkin' IR thermometer.....I just reach around and quickly touch the drums with the back of my knuckles. I can tell really fast if one is hotter than the other!

I will also grab the hubs, kick the tires, place my palm on the tread, and feel and smell for anything hot. I do this after nearly every highway run, when getting gas, taking a pee-break, whatever.

Of course, I've got a few million miles driving trucks. Comes with the territory.
I know people who claimed they had calibrated elbows and did not need a torque wrench. Star

... but seriously, you would be amazed at how accurate you can get with things like this with a bit (or a lot) of experience. That said, using a tool (like an IR thermometer or torque wrench) is still a good idea for the rest of us who are not "calibrated" appropriately. 


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 3:01pm
After awhile a truck driver can learn by the sound of the tire buddy (or the flat palm) thumping the dual tires, about what they are inflated to. Now, you can't tell 90 psi from 100 psi just by thumping, but you can tell if all the rest are around 100 psi and one is low, say, 75 psi, just by the sound of the thumps. 

And a really low tire will make a dull thud.

Boy did we wander off-topic....probably my fault...again...


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 5:58pm
I have a calibrated tongue, as in when I put my tongue on  battery terminals I can tell about what voltage it is (but not to 10mV like your power supply). And I've never tested my 200V Prius battery that way Tongue

Not that far off topic really yet, but we we're still working it....


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 6:14pm
I have a pressure gauge, a torque wrench, an IR Gun, also EEZ tire system on Pod, and when I first got Pod I cleaned up the wiring and secured it on the bottom of Pod. Four years - no issues, knock on wood.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 6:19pm
I use the Zen of measurement and just go by what feels right.  Confused  And my brakes still work and the axle ain't bent yet.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by lostagain

.... and the axle ain't bent yet.  

It was when it left the factory....what happened?

Confused


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 18 May 2019 at 8:01am
I meant that it didn't get broke bent yet.  I can still see the camber.  And when I meditate on the condition of the axle, it tells me that its in synchronization with each wheel gliding effortlessly down the road, except there's no where to go because the camp grounds in the Sierras are still closed and full of snow.  Cry

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 10:49am
Originally posted by lostagain

I meant that it didn't get broke bent yet.  I can still see the camber.  And when I meditate on the condition of the axle, it tells me that its in synchronization with each wheel gliding effortlessly down the road, except there's no where to go because the camp grounds in the Sierras are still closed and full of snow.  Cry
Indeed. Saw on the weather report this morning that Squaw Valley has had 715 inches of snow for this season. That is just short of 60 FEET of snow. Some of the high sierra camps will not open this year at all; it will just take too long to dig out and provision.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 1:17pm
I've had 3 trips to our favorite campground cancelled due to late opening.  Now the target date is June 21, over a month late.  But I'm not complaining, mind you, we had a wonderful winter with a badly needed snowpack.  Out west one should never complain about precipitation or the rain god will hear it and turn off the spigot, leaving us to dry out as we did a couple years back.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by lostagain

Out west one should never complain about precipitation or the rain god will hear it and turn off the spigot, leaving us to dry out as we did a couple years back.

Unless you live in one of the recently burned areas where too much rain can be a really bad thing...


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 4:36pm
Originally posted by offgrid

Unless you live in one of the recently burned areas where too much rain can be a really bad thing...
and it was.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 7:01pm
Well, with the weather nothing is perfect.  It's either too much or not enough.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 6:21am
Like most things in California there is no "normal" Sierra snowpack. LOL

Much better to use the term "average" or "mean". Sierra snow pack is highly variable. The figure usually used is surface water equivalent on April 1, which is about when the snow pack is usually at its max. The standard deviation of this number historically is something around 50% of the mean or higher, so you have about a 1/3 chance of having 150% of "normal"  or 50% of "normal", and about a 5% chance of having either 2x of average or zero snow pack on that date. Check out this set of charts.

https://cdec.water.ca.gov/reportapp/javareports?name=PLOT_SWC - https://cdec.water.ca.gov/reportapp/javareports?name=PLOT_SWC




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 8:19am
California has nothing that is average.  Everything is exceptional; exceptionally wet, exceptionally dry, exceptional fires, exceptional floods, exceptional traffic, ....  I could go on for another paragraph, but it'll get off topic.  Wink

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 10:16am
Originally posted by lostagain

California has nothing that is average.  Everything is exceptional; exceptionally wet, exceptionally dry, exceptional fires, exceptional floods, exceptional traffic, ....  I could go on for another paragraph, but it'll get off topic.  Wink
That ship has sailed.  LOL At least our tornados are below average.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 28 May 2019 at 1:05pm
I forgot to mention the exceptional waves at Maverick's in the winter.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 29 May 2019 at 7:52am
Originally posted by GlueGuy

Originally posted by lostagain

California has nothing that is average.  Everything is exceptional; exceptionally wet, exceptionally dry, exceptional fires, exceptional floods, exceptional traffic, ....  I could go on for another paragraph, but it'll get off topic.  Wink
That ship has sailed.  LOL At least our tornados are below average.


But you make up for it with earthquakes...


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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 29 May 2019 at 8:12am
Of course, California earthquakes are exceptional too.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Billy Bob
Date Posted: 30 May 2019 at 9:02am
welcome and i won't say anything about california  Dead

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2019 RPOD 190
2017 Chev Colorado 4 X 4
Yellow Lab and English Springer Spaniel



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