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Posted By: noatakme
Subject: New owner
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 5:13pm
Hello R-Pod owners,
We just picked up our 2015 R-Pod 177 Monday. We drove from Harrisburg PA to Pittsburgh PA, Spent an hour or so transferring ownership, then, hauled it back to Harrisburg. What a long day. almost 500 mile round trip. We are very happy with it so far. I am not familiar with the systems yet. It is still winterized. The 2 year old battery would not charge past 4.7 volts using my 2 amp charger. The charger says "Check the battery". We are probably going to buy the cheap Autozone 12 volt marine battery for now. Their website specs show Cold Cranking Amps (CCA):
800, Cranking Amps (CA):
1000, Reserve Capacity (min):
180 min at 25 Amps. Does anyone happen to know how long the furnace can run and how much gas it would use? I was hoping to stay out at least a night or two. Any advice on how to stay off grid for three nights? If you are only supposed to let the battery power drop no more than 50%, how will I know when to cut the battery off? I am new to this and we are starting to learn. Any advice on anything R-pod or camping is welcome.
------------- Paul
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Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 5:29pm
Hi Paul, congrats on the new camper. I'm new here myself (bought a 2016 172 a little over a month ago). I've been wondering some of the same things about the batteries so I'll be watching for the answers you get. Happy camping!
------------- Julie
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Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 5:32pm
Welcome, you're about to get lots of info here.
My own take - With no electricity, treat your r-pod this time of year as a big tent, the weather looks like it is moderating out east for the next 10 days or so. Blankets or sleeping bags for the nite, the heater is great but you won't really need it. Head lamps work really good to minimize battery use, even for reading at nite. With a full battery, I have no trouble with 3 nights, but I am very careful with electricity use and don't ever use the tv. Also, "Deep cycle" batteries are much more forgiving in recovering from low charges than car batteries.
If you have 'shore power" (an electric hook up) things really get easy but it sounds like you are boondocking. I am sure you'll enjoy your trip.
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Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 5:35pm
A marine starting battery wont last very long, you would be way better off to buy a true deep cycle marine/RV battery.
Next in order of preference will be a combination starting/deep cycle, which are much more common at auto parts stores and big box stores. It might have a CCA rating or MCA rating but it SHOULD have an amp hour (ah) rating.
It's this ah rating that tells you it's rated for deep cycle use. Typical ah numbers for a 'group 24' battery wil be in the 80 to 100 ah range.
Expect to pay around $80-$120 or so for a decent group 24 deep cycle battery.
------------- r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!
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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 6:04pm
^^^^^ What he said ^^^^^
Separate from that, pack some good jumper cables and you can boost your battery from your tow vehicle with an hour of idling.
------------- bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost
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Posted By: noatakme
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 6:06pm
Thanks podwerkz, That is a great help. I see the difference now. The deep cycle is 10 bucks cheaper too $
------------- Paul
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Posted By: john in idaho
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 6:40pm
Order a book from Amazon called "12 volt Bible for Boats". An rPod is a boat with wheels. Read it all and you will answer lots of questions you don't know that you don't know.
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Posted By: PilotPodder
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 7:05pm
Congrats on the new trailer! Keep asking questions. A 20# propane tank will last me quite a while even when using the heater. At night when it is cold (35-40) I have lots of covers and have the heater kick on at 55 or so. Stay plenty warm and don't burn through too much propane. Again congrats, it's a fun learning experience. ~PP
------------- Portage, MI — 2017 RPod 179 - sold / 2017 Toyota Tundra — https://johnmarucci.com/r-pod-video-list/ - My RPod YouTube Videos
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Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 8:22pm
Congratulations Paul on your 177. As a 177 owner for 8 + years I expect to get 3 - 4 days per battery when we boondock and when night temps dip into the upper 30's to mid' 40's. Weather factors like wind and how much we use the furnace during the day will determine if we go 3 or 4 days per battery. I use the idiot light on the wall to let me know when my battery is at 1/3 or 33% S.O.C., the other way I can tell is when the furnace starts, if it sounds like the motor is running just a tad slower I switch over to the other battery; we carry two as we boondock a lot and don't use solar to refresh the batteries. What we have are a pair of Interstate group size 24, deep cycle. We got these when we picked up our 177 back in March 2011, so as you can see, if you maintain the battery, it will last quite a while. It is a good idea to keep an eye on the electrolyte levels on a regular basis so that there is always water covering the plates. Also, for the same reason given above, we also carry 2 propane tanks as well.
------------- God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."
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Posted By: Toyanvil
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 9:29pm
I would look for a battery store in your town and look into 6 volt batteries, they will last a lot longer then 12 volt. You will need two for each 12 volt you replace.
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Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 10:31pm
Welcome to Podding!
------------- Chuck & Lyn
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Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190
2019 Traverse
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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 10:38pm
Originally posted by Toyanvil
I would look for a battery store in your town and look into 6 volt batteries, they will last a lot longer then 12 volt. You will need two for each 12 volt you replace. | This is not exactly true. A 200 amp-hour 6 volt battery has exactly the same capacity as a 100 amp-hour 12 volt battery.
If you have two of them, they will have twice the capacity. Just as if you had two 12 volt batteries.
HOWEVER... the 6V GC (AKA "Golf Cart") batteries will be less expensive than the equivalent capacity 12V battery. Also, the 6V GC batteries come in slightly larger sizes (like 240 amp-hour).
------------- bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 10:42pm
Costco is a good place to find 6v golf cart batteries and the prices are very competitive.
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: Toyanvil
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 11:41pm
When it comes time to replace my two 12 volt batteries, I will be installing four 6 volt batteries for longer use. This is why golf carts and large RV's use 6 volt batteries wired in series. Don't believe me, talk to a good battery store.
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Posted By: Jholler
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 9:05am
6v batteries wired in series will double the voltage, but the amp-hour rating stays the same. The advantage is that golf cart batteries are true deep cycle batteries and usually offer higher amp-hour ratings than hybrid marine batteries, which also will function as a starting battery (which you have no need for). I have two Duracell 6v from Sam's club wired in series which gives me 12v at a little over 200 amp-hours. You REALLY need a battery monitor to keep track of how much power you have, the lights on the wall panel are way too vague and I don't trust them. I got this one, it's cheap and highly rated. https://www.amazon.com/bayite-6-5-100V-Display-Multimeter-Voltmeter/dp/B013PKYILS
While you're on Amazon, the recommendation for the 12v Bible for Boats was a good one. Very easy to read and informative.
------------- 2015 rpod 179
2014 Ram ecoDiesel HFE
2009-ish Chihuahua
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Posted By: Jholler
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 9:07am
Also, if you wire two 12v batteries, do it in parallel, NOT series. THAT will double your capacity but leave the voltage the same.
------------- 2015 rpod 179
2014 Ram ecoDiesel HFE
2009-ish Chihuahua
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 11:19am
You can get good quality deep cycle batteries in either 6 or 12 volt configurations.
But, its always best to wire batteries in series not parallel. Why? Because if you wire them in series the same current is alwas flowing through both so they are guaranteed to alwyaybe charged and discharged identically. In parallel, one battery (the one with lower internal resistance) will always be cycling more than the other. No two batteries are exactly the same due to manufacturing varaiation, so this will happen. If you do need to wire batteries in parallel (say you already have one new 12V battery from the dealer that you want to use) then you can help balance things as much as possible by taking the pos output from one battery and the neg from the other battery. But if you have a choice, go with two 6V batteries in series.
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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Posted By: noatakme
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 11:34am
Originally posted by offgrid
You can get good quality deep cycle batteries in either 6 or 12 volt configurations.
But, its always best to wire batteries in series not parallel. Why? Because if you wire them in series the same current is alwas flowing through both so they are guaranteed to alwyaybe charged and discharged identically. In parallel, one battery (the one with lower internal resistance) will always be cycling more than the other. No two batteries are exactly the same due to manufacturing varaiation, so this will happen. If you do need to wire batteries in parallel (say you already have one new 12V battery from the dealer that you want to use) then you can help balance things as much as possible by taking the pos output from one battery and the neg from the other battery. But if you have a choice, go with two 6V batteries in series. |
I hear a lot about using golf cart batteries. An old timer at the nursing home told me he used 2 6 volt batteries. The old timers usually know best I think. He also told me to cook ground hog in a pressure cooker. I'll have to try both.
------------- Paul
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Posted By: noatakme
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 11:51am
Originally posted by Jholler
6v batteries wired in series will double the voltage, but the amp-hour rating stays the same. The advantage is that golf cart batteries are true deep cycle batteries and usually offer higher amp-hour ratings than hybrid marine batteries, which also will function as a starting battery (which you have no need for). I have two Duracell 6v from Sam's club wired in series which gives me 12v at a little over 200 amp-hours. You REALLY need a battery monitor to keep track of how much power you have, the lights on the wall panel are way too vague and I don't trust them. I got this one, it's cheap and highly rated. https://www.amazon.com/bayite-6-5-100V-Display-Multimeter-Voltmeter/dp/B013PKYILS
While you're on Amazon, the recommendation for the 12v Bible for Boats was a good one. Very easy to read and informative. |
Thanks again. I put it on my amazon list of things to buy.
------------- Paul
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Posted By: noatakme
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 12:44pm
Is there any concern about having 142 pounds of battery up front? I am looking at interstate bateries at 71 pounds each.
https://www.interstatebatteries.com/products/2400utl?productLine=golf-car&subcategoryKey=&ignorecategoryid=true
------------- Paul
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 3:09pm
Sure, you should be concerned depending on the tongue weight rating if your tow vehicle. Most of that 140 lbs will end up on the trailer tongue weight. I recommend that you weight your trailer and tongue as you plan to travel so you know what you have before you add more battery weight.
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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Posted By: noatakme
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 5:06pm
I have another new owner battery question. Does the tow vehicle charge the batteries while Driving? It seems as though it would be possible. When I hooked up the electric brake control there was a purple wire that is an extra power source I think. What would I use that for and where would I hook it up? The positive terminal of the battery I imagine.I have so many questions. I appreciate this group helping me out.
------------- Paul
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 5:28pm
Paul, the Bargeman connector has a wire set up to charge the battey(ies). All you have to do is plug it into the socket on your TV (assuming it is not damaged or filed with crud). The charge rateisn't as fast as the bulk charger in your WFCO converter, but it'll keep you going.
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 6:34pm
Some tow vehicles deliver more amps to the Bargman than others. Some will deliver enough to charge the Pod battery, even if you have the fridge on 12v. Many won't. You could end up at your destination with hot food and a dead trailer battery. This is one reason a lot of people travel with the fridge on propane.
TT, stepping back now
------------- 2010 176
FJ Cruiser
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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 6:41pm
So it behooves you to know if and how much current your particular tow vehicle can provide to the trailer. Ours works fine, others have reported varying degrees of success.
------------- bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost
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Posted By: noatakme
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 6:49pm
Originally posted by GlueGuy
So it behooves you to know if and how much current your particular tow vehicle can provide to the trailer. Ours works fine, others have reported varying degrees of success. |
Can I find that out with the battery off?
------------- Paul
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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 8:26pm
Originally posted by noatakme
Can I find that out with the battery off? | It might be in the specs somewhere, or you can measure what the output is if you have a clamp-on DC ammeter.
------------- bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 8:59am
If you have a voltmeter you can check to be sure you have 12V to your trailer connector. That's pin 4 (you can find a good diagram on etrailer or other websites). That will tell you that you can charge while driving, but not how much current will flow.
There should be a circuit breaker or fuse installed in the trailer connector charging circuit somewhere near the two vehicle battery, that would tell you the max charge current you could potentially get. Those are usually around 30 amps, you will always get less than that. The fridge on 12V takes about 11A so you can see that it is a very significant load.
You won't be able to tell how much charge current will actually flow without your trailer battery installed. Even then, the current will vary greatly depending on the state of charge of the trailer and tow vehicle batteries. You are in reality connecting two 12V batteries in parallel through the trailer connector so current will try to flow until the two batteries are at the same voltage.
There's not a lot you can do to change the charge rate from the tow vehicle anyway. It will be what it will be. So, once you've made sure you don't have a tongue weight issue, I'd suggest just installing your new trailer batteries and then see what happens while you're towing. Get a multimeter with a clamp on dc current probe (be sure its dc and ac, not just ac). Then you can check things under a variety of conditions.
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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Posted By: noatakme
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 9:07am
I see Summit racing sells a 165 amp alternator for my truck. I assume this would improve the charge? I think I have 105 amp now.
------------- Paul
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 9:15am
You are going to be limited by the resistance of the wiring back to the trailer. Alternators are set up to keep the tow vehicle battery at 14.4V max, so if your current alternator already does that while your towing (which is likely) then changing to a higher capacity alternator won't help you.
If you wanted to route separate heavy cabling to the trailer battery from the tow vehicle (when I say heavy I'm taking about maybe 2/0 conductors) then yes the larger alt could improve things. But you are likely to find you're just fine with what you already have.
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 10:23am
Simple solution: When in transit run the fridge on gas. If you have concerns about fueling and tunnels, just turn it off for those things. There is plenty of residual cold to keep thing preserved until you turn your gas back on. Likely, you're going to drain your trailer battery while driving, even with the high output alternator for the very reason offgrid suggested. The conductors to your trailer plug aren't really heavy enough to carry the current you need for that distance. So you'll be supplying part of the energy to run your fridge from your TV and part from the trailer batteries, all at a net loss for your trailer batteries.
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 11:19am
Our alternator puts out 250 amps, so we are not worried about it. We have never run down either batteries when we tow with the fridge in 12V mode.
------------- bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost
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Posted By: noatakme
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by offgrid
You are going to be limited by the resistance of the wiring back to the trailer. Alternators are set up to keep the tow vehicle battery at 14.4V max, so if your current alternator already does that while your towing (which is likely) then changing to a higher capacity alternator won't help you.
If you wanted to route separate heavy cabling to the trailer battery from the tow vehicle (when I say heavy I'm taking about maybe 2/0 conductors) then yes the larger alt could improve things. But you are likely to find you're just fine with what you already have. |
That's a relief. I believe I am going to go with 2 golf cart batteries. 6 volt wired in series. I would like to be able to boondock for 1 or 2 nights. It would be just my wife and myself. Probably just in the heat of summer for my wife. We will see. Our first trip is going to be at French Creek State Park in PA. Full hook ups. We will drive from there an back to Philly to see the Cherry blossoms. I still haven't run any of the systems yet. I'll have to learn how to do that.
------------- Paul
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 12:56pm
I use dual 6V batteries and have since we bought out RPod 179 in December, 2015. We can get multiple nights boondocking. Now, if you are thinking that the batteries will run the AC, forget about it. That isn't going to happen unless you have a massive solar bank and lots of LiFePo4 batteries or a good generator. However, you can run the lights, water pump, and Fantastic/MaxxAir fan on battery for multiple nights if you plan on running the refrigerator and water heater on propane. The furnace can also be run, but since it draws more, you would not get as many nights with it running. Also, we found that dual 6V batteries will also not power the refrigerator overnight so plan on using propane for it if you don't have shore power.
Full hook-ups will allow you to run everything on electricity with multiple items at the same time such as the AC and Convection Microwave or water heater.
------------- StephenH
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 12:57pm
For 1 or 2 nights you’ll be more than fine with 2 GC2 batteries.
------------- 1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold
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