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Topic: Towing Question
Posted By: ROD-POD
Subject: Towing Question
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 11:23am
Greetings fellow R-Pod adventurers. We just bought a new 180 yesterday. This is our first bumper-tow RV and I am shopping for an Anti-Sway Kit with the WD included and found this one at a good price.

10-000-lb-Gtw-Pro-Series-Round-Bar-Wt-Dist-Complete-Kit-with-Sway-Control-Shank-Ball-Chains.
Priced at $265.00 online.

Doesn't look too complicated to install but thought I'd make this my first post here on the forum.

We will be towing with our 2013 JKU Rubicon.

Any advice would be appreciated.


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R&A Adventures
2013 JKU (4.56 gears)
2018 R-POD 180



Replies:
Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 11:41am
Is that https://www.walmart.com/ip/10-000-lb-Gtw-1-000-lb-Tw-Pro-Series-Round-Bar-Wt-Dist-Complete-Kit-with-Sway-Control-Shank-Ball-Chains-Replacement-Auto-Part-Easy-to-Install/35535254 - this Draw-Tite model ? If so, that is a bit on the overkill side for an R-pod. You would probably be happier with a 6,000 lb or 8,000 lb WDH. The 10,000 lb one will work, but will tend to be a bit stiffer than you actually need.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: ROD-POD
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 2:53pm
Your reply was  very helpful. I found one more suited for my setup at a local dealer.
Would you say Haul Master is a good product?
They have great reviews.

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R&A Adventures
2013 JKU (4.56 gears)
2018 R-POD 180


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 4:19pm
Never heard of that one. Where are you getting it? Got a link?

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Motor7
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 5:08pm
HaulMaster is Harbor freight and I agree that 1000lb is going to be too stiff. Check out the Husky 6-800lb in that price range:
http://https://www.amazon.com/Husky-32217-Center-Line-Spring/dp/B00W919F4K/ref=pd_day0_hl_263_5/135-9438859-3152732?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00W919F4K&pd_rd_r=6b913482-3bad-11e9-9cbc-61e57e71bb01&pd_rd_w=muWyT&pd_rd_wg=liTz4&pf_rd_p=ad07871c-e646-4161-82c7-5ed0d4c85b07&pf_rd_r=E7ZYRN6BQFVP0DRNJE9Y&psc=1&refRID=E7ZYRN6BQFVP0DRNJE9Y - Husky

Max towing capacity for a JKU Ruby is #3500lbs. It can be done, but keep this in mind since you will have zero margin for error once the jeep and trailer are loaded for a trip. Pack light, and watch the speed on the highway. 


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2016 R-Pod 176T


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 5:21pm
A lot of Podders run Fastway E2 WDHs. The round bar model is very economical.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 6:12pm
Welcome.
We use the E2.


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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 9:51pm
We also use an E2 600/6000 version.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: ROD-POD
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2019 at 6:12am
Thanks for the info. Our JKU is a temp stand in for a soon to be more suitable option. We are expecting Jeep to release the new Gladiator (Jeep Truck) which has a tow cap of 7650 lbs.
So yeah, show a little mercy out there to that guy in the jeep towing the R-POD :)


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R&A Adventures
2013 JKU (4.56 gears)
2018 R-POD 180


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2019 at 6:29am
Welcome to the forum.

I have to second (and third) Motor7.

I found the specs for the 2018 JKU Rubicon and assuming your 2013 is similar you have 3500 lbs max towing capacity, 350 lbs max tongue weight, and a max gross combined weight rating (MGCVWR) of 8171. The MGCVWR is often overlooked but its very important because the tow rating generally assumes that there isn't much if any weight in the tow vehicle itself. Since the Jeep curb weight is 4522 lbs, 8171-4522=3649 lbs is available for the trailer, its contents, and the contents and passengers of your Jeep. So, it looks like Jeep is rating the tow capacity with nothing in the Jeep except one skinny driver. 

The 180 official unloaded vehicle weight is 2662. That's with no options, water, or batteries, and one propane tank. Assuming you have the typical microwave, a/c, and TV it comes to 2823. There are 6 gallons (50 lbs at 8.3 lbs per gal) of water that remain in the water heater unless you drain it for winterization, a single battery is about 60 lbs, and a weigh distribution hitch adds about another 50 lbs. So call the empty trailer + wdh 3000 lbs, close enough. In reality the empty weight will be higher partly because you can't really drain all the water out of the holding tanks. My 179 actual empty weight comes in about 150 lbs higher than I get by calculation. 

So, you'll have about 500-650 lbs of total capacity left for passengers and driver, gear and tools, food and supplies, any water you want to carry in your tanks, and any mods or add ons you want to do. That's really just not enough, you'll end up over your MGCVWR. 

Also, the unloaded hitch weight on the 180 is 332 lbs, so as soon as you add a battery on the tongue you'll be exceeding the max 350 lb tongue weight spec on the Jeep.

Bottom line is that your vehicle really isn't meant for towing a trailer as heavy as your 180. Can you do it? Probably yes if you're very careful. But know that will be exceeding yoiur specs so if something bad happens you have a good chance of ending up on the wrong side of a lawsuit. Personally I wouldn't tow one of the heavy rPods with a tow vehicle with less than a 5000lb tow rating and 9500 lb MCGVWR. That's me. 

This link might help you both choose a wdh and in determining where you are relative to the max ratings of your axles, tow vehicle and trailer. 

https://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php - https://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php

I also suggest you actually weigh your rig so you know what you've really got. Load everything like you plan to do, including water in the fresh water tank if you're a boondocker, install the wdh, but don't tension it, that will foul up the weight measurements. Find a public scale, and weigh it adding one axle at a time to the scale. You can subtract to get the weight of each axle. Then unhitch the trailer, leave the wdh in the receiver, and weigh the tow vehicle axle by axle separately. The difference between the tow vehicle weight with and without the trailer attached is the tongue weight.  

Good luck!



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2019 at 7:05am
Originally posted by ROD-POD

We are expecting Jeep to release the new Gladiator (Jeep Truck) which has a tow cap of 7650 lbs.

This is one of those topics that periodically come up because it is very important.

The perceived need for sway control is very individualistic, some people like belt and suspenders.

At 7650 pounds, do you need sway control?

From the Ford website (picked at random) -  

https://owner.ford.com/support/how-tos/exterior/trailers-towing-loading/how-to-towing-guide.html


Class II (Trailers) – Medium-Duty
2,001-3,500 lb. Gross Trailer Weight
350 lb. Gross Tongue Weight
Used for single-axle, small- to medium-length trailers up to 18 feet
Used on midsize cars, trucks, and SUVs
Conventional weight-distributing hitch not required unless specified for a particular vehicle


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2019 at 7:17am
Sway is caused by the trailer weight distribution, so is really independent of the tow vehicle. A  heavier tow vehicle will control sway better, but its always best to eliminate the problem at its source.  If you keep your tongue weight over about 11% of your total trailer weight under all loading conditions then you've probably accomplished that and then sway control becomes a personal "belt and suspenders" decision. 

I run a relatively light tow vehicle so I subscribe to the belt and suspenders approach, others might choose differently. Some here even choose to wear a belt and 2 sets of suspenders (mechanical sway control plus active sway control).


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold



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