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Topic: New to me R Pod 178 owner
Posted By: Toyanvil
Subject: New to me R Pod 178 owner
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 12:12am
Hello I just picked up a 2016 178 Hood River in great condition with the exception of a bent axle I need to repair, it has negative camber. Looking on the web, it looks like this is a common problem with the R Pod's. It looks to me like the frame rails are to narrow for the axle and there is to much leverage. The frame rail to hub face looks will over the 9 inch max recommended, mine is close to 14". I am thinking the axle could be realigned and then build a support from the frame to a plate with U-bolts around the axle holding it to support the wheel end of the axle. There is a good frame shop in town I have used to align the trailer I have now, that can realign it. If that does not work, I will install a 5200lbs. axle with 3500lbs. leaf springs. I am hoping there are R Pod Rallies around California we can go to.



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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 4:45am
First one clarification:

These are torsion axles, I don't think you can make a leaf spring axle fit an rpod without major surgery. There are 5200 lb torsion axles available if you want to go that route, which would probably be the best solution in the long run. You would also need new brake assemblies, drums, wheels and tires for the 5200lb changeover, so that will get pretty spendy. 

Yes, the inboard axle mounting points on the rPods do substantially increase the axle tube loads, actually by close to a factor of 2. That being said, it is worthwhile finding our for sure what is causing your negative camber before deciding on the fix.  It could be the axle tube, but it could also be the spindle or the torsion arm. If its the tube your local shop might be able to straighten it but it will be weaker afterwards, if its one of the latter two problems your axle is probably toast. 

Once you find out what has failed on your axle please post that and some photos on the forum, it will help others here troubleshoot their axle problems in the future. 

If you determine its the axle tube and the shop is able to straighten it (it should probably end up with a little positive camber built in, I have about 3.8 inch in mine), you might want to look at the reinforcement mod i just did on my 179 last week. I posted a topic on it. I didn't want to extend the frame mounting points because that would put additional torsional load on the frame rails, which are pretty light (IIRC they're 0.1 inch wall thickness 2x4 tubes). My fix worked out well for the "diamond" axle tube I have, some rPods have round axle tubes which would be harder to add reinforcement to.

Alternatively, you could weld in a gusset plate between the torque tubes to help handle the torsional load on them from extending the mounting points. 

If you go with a new axle you can get the mounting flanges wherever you want them, but probably with a 5200 lb axle you could leave them where they are and be fine. 

Good luck, and welcome to the forum. 

Edit: 3/8 inch camber not 3.8 inches






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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 5:28am
Welcome to the forum Toyanvil.  Sorry you are having problems with your axle. I hope you get it sorted out soon.  I grew up in B'field and graduated from Foothill H.S. and went to BC before going away for college.  Haven't been back since my 50th H.S. reunion.  Lots of great places to go in your Pod once you get it fixed.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Toyanvil
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 9:18am
Thank you for the input. I would like to keep the torsion axle, but I don't want to go to a 5200lb. A 5200lb torsion axle will be set up for a 5200lb. trailer, and I think it will be to stiff on a 3500lb. trailer and cause other problems. adding leaf springs is not that hard and you can go with a 5200lb. axle and 3500lb. springs to keep the ride soft. This is what I did on the last trailer I built from the ground up. I also added air bags, that way I can air up if I need to load it heavier than normal and still have a smooth ride.
My R pod axle is now flat with no arch.




The trailer I built, before brakes.


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 5:26pm
Toyanvil,

Interesting post, first I have seen of an axle repair. I'd like to know how that turns out. I have a Dexter axle on my 2015 178, no issues. I like Offgrids mod to the Lippert diamond. Looking forward to your results.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 5:31pm
Wow that's quite a bit of negative camber on the rPod axle. Can you confirm that its only the axle tube that has failed or are there problems with the spindle/torque arm too?

I really like your custom trailer build. The air springs are a nice feature, you could even level it side to side with those, some rpod owners have noted their trailers sitting quite a bit lower on the slide side. I'm just not sure you can get a leaf spring axle to provide a ride height as low as it currently is with the torsion axle, but maybe you want it taller anyway.  

I understand your concern about a 5200 lb axle being too stiff.  It will depend on how heavy your loaded trailer is. In my case I'm very near 3500 lb on the axle when I crank in the wdh loads so I wouldn't be too concerned. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Toyanvil
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 9:03pm
It looks like it is just the main tube has lost it's camber from not being supported at the ends.

Thank you I really like my off-road trailer too, but my wife wants a restroom on the same floor   
Here's some pictures of it.



Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 5:38am
That's a really cool trailer.  You really did a nice job.  I don't miss that tule fog in your second picture, though.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Motor7
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 7:06am
Is that a TW200 tucked in there? 

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2016 R-Pod 176T


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 9:40am
Welcome!

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 11:06am
Originally posted by lostagain

That's a really cool trailer.  You really did a nice job.  I don't miss that tule fog in your second picture, though.
I don't know that that is tule fog. It looks a lot like the fog we see from the hills/mountains overlooking the Pacific coast. I think of tule fog as that strange stuff that is prevalent in the central valley.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 1:05pm
I can't count the times I drove from the mountains into the tule fog when I lived in B'field.  It looks just like that as you come off the Grapevine. But the fog over the Central Valley looks pretty much like the fog over the ocean too, except that it tends to get denser with more limited visibility, but that's not so apparent from the top.

I've noticed that the tule fog doesn't seem to be as prevalent or persistent now as it was in the 50's through the 70's.  I can say I made decent money defending fog crashes when I lived in Fresno.  There were always people who insisted on driving like it wasn't there and that always turns out poorly for everyone else.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 3:55pm
Lostagain I'm going with GlueGuy on this one being the marine layer till we hear definitively from Toyanvil. 3 reasons:

Too much and the wrong kind of vegetation to be overlooking the central valley.
The html indicates this was taken during a trip to Big Sur. Tongue
The tule fog is mostly a winter phenomenon and the marine layer mostly occurs in summer, and more camping is done in the summer....

Yes, the tule fog and the marine layer look similar from on top. Big difference is the marine layer almost always has both a floor and a ceiling. For the tules, the floor is pretty often 0 AGL. Not good. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 4:12pm
Since we can't see underneath to know if it's ocean or tule fog we'll have to wait for Toyanvil to let us know.  I've been to places in the southern Sierra in my younger days that looked over the valley that could pass for what is in the picture.  But it could easily be on the coast too.  Can't tell from the sky or the foliage whether it's summer or winter.  I used to see that sea of fog coming down the ridge route on surfing/camping trips in Nov-Jan when we camped at the beach under beautiful blue warm skies.  Camping in CA, except when in the high Sierra, is a year-round activity.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Toyanvil
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 9:32pm
You guys are funny.
Yes it's a TW200
And it is above Big Sur, I will say coming down the Grapevine looks very close when the fog is out.



Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 4:42am
Nah, we're just a bunch'a grumpy old men with too much time on our hands. ;--)

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 5:25am
lostagain, you're just grumpy because you lost out on the where is this trailer contest Big smile.

Maybe we should start a regular topic where folks put up a some photos of their pod somewhere and we have to try to figure it where it is. Like GeoGuessr for rpods. No fair cheating like I did by inspecting the HTML.

Now that would take up some excess time over the winter till we can go camping again. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 5:34am
offgrid you misquoted me.  You left out "But it could easily be on the coast too."  

Lawyers always hedge their bets. ;--) [I don't think I'll be able to put the emojis in until I get back to NV, where we rarely have tule fog.]


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Toyanvil
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 11:43pm
I started cutting out plates for my axle supports. I only have a picture of one for now, it was my pattern before I cut three more and drill the bolt holes. They will look like shock mounts, the holes will hold a turn buckle attached to a mount at the end of the axle. The plan is to have two plates per side welded to the lift block and not attached to the frame in any way. The goal is to support the end of the axle to keep it from flexing under load.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 5:39am
Toyanvil, can you clarify how you're planning to connect to the axle?

When you say turnbuckles, which are designed to be used in tension, are you talking about putting tension on the end of the axle to pull it up? If so, that will be counterproductive, the axle problems occur when the wheels take a bump load and are pushed up, so you need to support them by pressing vertically down on the axle ends. 

If you haven't already, take a look at the thread "axle reinforcement" for my solution to this problem.


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Toyanvil
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 8:41am
I will be building a clamp set up for the end of the axle. The plan is to build a turn buckle like link that will push tension down on the ends of the axle after it is realigned. I did see your post, and be watching.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 9:28am
Pushing tension is compression. Turnbuckles aren't designed for that, the rods and/or the turnbuckle will buckle under load. In tension they stay aligned and can take a lot of load, but not in compression. Bear in mind that the compression load on it will be something like 2500 lbs vertical during a bump load event so if you can keep a 45 degree angle it will see about 3500 lbs of compression. The more vertical you can keep it the better. 

If you want something adjustable you'll need a jackscrew of some type, which has much heavier parts in it and fittings that are designed to keep everything aligned to prevent buckling. If you don't need it to be adjustable maybe just get a bracket welded up with a box tube extending down from the axle mounting bracket to the axle. Then through bolt the tube to the clamp set up you're planning at the axle end. 

Good luck!


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Toyanvil
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 9:53am
Plan A is an adjustable link, plan B will just be a bar. The adjustable link will be built at my friends machine shop, he builds really cool stuff.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 10:30am
Sounds like a good plan. I suggest you try to mount the inner end of the link/bar as high as possible so it is as close to vertical as possible and also to minimize the torque getting applied to the trailer frame rails. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold



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