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Topic: New/Used Pod Owner Lots of questions?
Posted By: TearlessTom
Subject: New/Used Pod Owner Lots of questions?
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 10:26pm
Hi Everyone,

My name is Tom and I am new to trailer camping or" glamping".  I have only camped in a tent so this will be a huge learning curve for me. I/we are from Spanish Fort, AL. Most of my camping was either as a young kid-teens with my family,  Uncle Sam,  or with my boys at young Cub-Scouts.   My boys are now in their 30's so that has been awhile.   

More recently my camping  has been a tent, sleeping bag and what ever I could fit in the saddle bags of either my H.D. or more recently Gold-Wing and always solo.  But as the years pass by that ground gets a little hard and cold in my bones.

So as you can see this will be a huge upgrade for me even in a small trailer.

I have just purchased a used 180 for my better half and me.  She is willing to try it  so big enough for two but not too much over kill if she doesn't cotton to it and I end up going solo again.  

I think I have a reasonable understanding of how everything works thanks to watching countless videos and reading this and other forums, but I do have one current concern.

My fresh water L.E.D.  does not register even when full.  It still shows as empty.   Is there a fix for the sensor?

Thanks







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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0



Replies:
Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 5:48am
Welcome to the board Tom.  Hope you enjoy your Pod.  Use the search system here to answer many of your questions but be sure to set the scope to a wider range of dates than automatically comes up. 

 As for your water level indicator is doing what pretty much everyone's does -- it's inaccurate.  There are sensors on sides of the tanks that are supposed to detect the presence off liquid, but the are notoriously quirky.  None of the tank level indicators work reliably.  You can replace the sensors, but if you research the topic, you may conclude it isn't worth the bother.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 7:08am
+1 What Fred said.  I haven't even looked at my sensors in years.  It's surprisingly easy to learn to live without them.  Regardless of whether they work, it's a good idea to have a way to add more water to the tank when you're dry camping for several days.  (How long a tank full of water depends a lot on how many showers you tank and for how long.)  Most places have water somewhere even if they don't run it to your site.  So a 5 gallon tote and a funnel or something more imaginative can keep you going indefinitely.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: Motor7
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 7:26am
Welcome. It's worth a look, so crawl under the camper and find the big the white plastic tank, that's the fresh water one(most likely forward of the axle). On one end, you will see some wires kinda haphazardly glued to one end, those are the sensor wires. See if they are all still connected, and any have come loose/detached, that is the problem. 

Like the others have said, tank sensors are notoriously unreliable. Some can work perfect for the life of a rv, while others never work, or read a false reading. 

Coming from a motor-camping background is a huge advantage for you since you already know how to pack small and only with necessities. Getting the wife on board to think and pack small may or may not be so easyWink

I was raised in NOLA, and we had fantastic pralines there, but as a kid I remember always stopping at some kind of big gas station/gift shop near Spanish Fort to buy their pralines when going to and from the Gulf Coast. That was in the late 60's.....and a different lifetime ago. 

Oh and you might want to try a Hammock. That's all I use now when motor-camping, last trip was three weeks and 5500 miles all but one night in my hammock. I also take it with me when rv-ing and if the site we park in has trees, that's where I sleep. Zero pressure points, backache, etc. 


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2016 R-Pod 176T


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 9:18am
Tearless Tom,

Sensors can be replaced, generally to repair you need to ensure wiring is intact to sensor. The monitor is a low voltage circuit that puts voltage to sensor when button is pushed. If it shows nothing the low voltage to the sensor is not present or the ground to the sensor is not present. As suggested first step is to ensure your wiring is intact, then with a button pusher you can do voltage measurement across sensor when monitor button is depressed, that will give you idea of what is going on. They may be inaccurate, but they should work. Good Luck.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Shane
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 10:35am
I own a 2018 R-Pod 180 and like everyone else is saying the sensors are not accurate at all. I brought my 180 back to the dealer and had them test them again, they said they worked, but when I took it back out camping for a weekend they were inaccurate. So I figure yes they work, but no they are not accurate.+1 to the 5 gallon tote with a funnel, unless you are hooking up to city water.

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ENGINE 55,TRUCK 44,BATALLION 12


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 10:58am
My fresh water sensor is generally accurate in that if the tank is full, it will read full and the level will indicate a decrease as the water is used. Now there are a couple of things. On is the spacing of the sensors. When it is full, it takes a while to stop showing full and display 2/3. Then it does not take nearly so long to drop down to 1/3. Likewise, it does not take long to drop down to E. Then there is generally a good reserve before the pump starts pulling air. I think that is a vortex forming and pulling air before the water level actually is down to the pick-up. Looking at the tank, the pick-up line is an inch or two above the actual bottom of the tank which sags down due to the weight of the water. This works as a general level indicator but is far from an accurate gauge of water level.

The gray tank seems to be somewhat reliable, much as the fresh tank is due to there being no solid matter in the gray water (hopefully) to plug the sensors. The black tank is notoriously unreliable. Think about it. There is a little probe that needs to be in contact with the tank contents to read properly. When solids and paper are flushed into the black tank, those can cover the sensors which leads to false readings. Treatment with a good biological agent such as TankTech's Rx or Unique Products' RV Digest-It or some other equivalent product can help break down such things and make the sensors read properly. That is, until more paper, etc. is flushed and the problem repeats. The black tank flush helps, but does not guarantee that the sensors will be cleaned.

I agree with making sure the wiring is intact and that the panel is actually getting power. Also that the power is reaching the probes when a button is pressed per Mike's advice above. One thing I just thought of: Do you have your battery connected (proper polarity) and charged? If there is no 12V power, then there will not be any display. Polarity is important because if you connect the battery with reversed polarity, even for a second, there are two 40A fuses in the power panel that will blow to protect the power converter. Then the converter won't be charging the battery or supplying 12V power if they are not connected.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 3:08pm
Welcome to the forum.  

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 4:49pm
+1 to StephenH and mcarter.  My sensors work and provide useful service. They are reasonably accurate at the full and empty ends of the scale, granted that they are not that great in the middle ranges. 

But if they let you know when your fresh tank is getting empty that provides a warning that it is time to think about finding a water source and dump station. The vast majority of my fresh water ends up in my gray tank so both events occur within about a day of each other for me. Refilling with a 5 gal container will get me about another day, after that my gray tank will need to be emptied anyhow.




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 6:26pm
Our fresh and gray level indicators work marginally but adequately.  According to the blackwater readout the virtually empty tank is 3/4 full and has been that way despite the efforts to clean off the sensors with Dawn, ice, chemicals of all types, radiation and witchcraft.  Nothing works, but we don't use it much and it's easy enough to monitor through intuition and transcendental meditation.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 7:33pm
Thank you all for your warm welcomes. and quick responses.

I did try the search but I did not change the date range.. I guess it takes a little trial and error to get them to search with good results. That has been my experience with them anyway.

I will take a look at the wiring and try some of your other recommendations.... I'm really not that concern with running out as I was trying to get my tanks full so I can try to start fine tunning my Weight Distribution system to my Ford F150 ..

Today I worked on putting leveling jacks on the rear of the trailer.   I am making an "U" bracket  to bolt 4 bolts from the jack plat  into from the bottom of the "U" bracket then 4 bolts threw the U bracket and the 2x4 beam that the trailer rest on.  

I think it will be more stable than just bolted into the the bottom of the frame.   

I've ordered the fancy smancy  Progressive Industries PT30X Surge Protector/EMS.  I think it is probable overkill for my needs but seeing that I get power spikes at my home I can only imagine that campground power is less consistent.  


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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 8:37pm
The Progressive surge protector is a great idea.  I have the hard-wired one.  Great insurance.

As for leveling jacks, Pod frames aren't tough enough for leveling jacks.  What Pods have are stabilizing jacks, and that's all they're meant for.  There are various ways to level side to side, the simplest, conceptually anyway, is to drive over leveling blocks or boards to raise the low side.  Leveling front to back is done with the tongue jack.  Once level, the stabilizing jacks are lowered, firmly, with no intention of lifting or leveling.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by Tars Tarkas

The Progressive surge protector is a great idea.  I have the hard-wired one.  Great insurance.

As for leveling jacks, Pod frames aren't tough enough for leveling jacks.  What Pods have are stabilizing jacks, and that's all they're meant for.  There are various ways to level side to side, the simplest, conceptually anyway, is to drive over leveling blocks or boards to raise the low side.  Leveling front to back is done with the tongue jack.  Once level, the stabilizing jacks are lowered, firmly, with no intention of lifting or leveling.

TT
Sorry, wrong choice of words.. Stabilizing Jack is what I meant to say.  Not leveling jack.  I realize now in the camping world there is a difference.   The new ones I got are a little more robust than the OEM. My Dad was all about over building everything.   I guess I inherited that gene. 


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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 7:26am
Going back to the O/P. and monitoring tanks, I find the hardest one to be the grey tank. The fresh water, which i mostly use only as a source of flushing water for the toilet while in transit to a destination, is easy enough to bend down and take a look underneath. The black tank i use a guesstimation that i find close enough. I guesstimate 1 person ouputs 5 gallons of waste water per week into the black tank. Your actual mileage may vary, but I find this somewhat reliable. I don't know if anyone could share a method they came up with to manually monitor the grey tank. I have found a huge difference if you don't use the sink very much. I set up a 7 1/2 gal water can on a picnic table, and a 5 gallon pail under it, and use that as my sink for most things. I wash all heavy soiled dishes first with "wet ones" wipeys, then run them through a wash/rinse from the can. I add soap to the water can when I fill it, so it's ready for hand washing, or dish washing. Its usually nice and warm from being in the sun. My wife will normally rinse things in the pod sink with a dish pan to catch the water. I have found I can usually go a week without filling the grey tank even with a few showers each, and sponge baths in between. There are only two of us, so we can easily track our usage. I stayed at site for 8 nights last year and I brought the caddy, thinking I'll probably need a grey tank dump, but ended up not using it. We were at the beach and mostly used the outside shower to rinse when returning from the beach. That might have made it easier on the grey tank also. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: Motor7
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 7:31am
Form the 'net to clean the Black tank sensors:

"After you dump pour 1 cup of Calgon and 1 cup detergent into the tanks. Leave them in until your next dump. Before driving some RVers will also throw a bag of ice-cubes down the tank to “scour” their walls (we've never done this, but others swear by it)."


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2016 R-Pod 176T


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 9:37am
Originally posted by Motor7

Form the 'net to clean the Black tank sensors:

"After you dump pour 1 cup of Calgon and 1 cup detergent into the tanks. Leave them in until your next dump. Before driving some RVers will also throw a bag of ice-cubes down the tank to “scour” their walls (we've never done this, but others swear by it)."

Are you talking your black or gray tank or both?    I understand the principle behind the logic. Our dealer set up lady and also a U-Tube video suggest Dawn dish detergent as well.

How do you put ICE in your gray tank or was that just down the black down the toilet?


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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 11:04am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH6acEmqvcw

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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 3:51pm
+1 to furpod's video link. Ice is useless. A good biological agent will do much better.
http://tanktechsrx.com/unclogging-your-rv-holding-tank-or-toilet/ - http://tanktechsrx.com/unclogging-your-rv-holding-tank-or-toilet/


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 3:54pm
I would NOT put ice in tank. Back on the FW tank, if you look underneath there is 3 sensors, the fact none are working may be the clue you need, check the ground.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Motor7
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 4:50pm
Black only, the ice is supposed to rub against the sensors and swipe the crud away as you drive down the road. I have never tried it......

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2016 R-Pod 176T


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 4:52pm
Motor 7,

Great video on YouTube proving it doesn't help in black tank. I don't like ice cubes banging against sensors.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Motor7
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 8:10am
Hey, I was not advocating it, just that the suggestion is prolific on the 'net ;)

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2016 R-Pod 176T


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 9:15am
Originally posted by Motor7

Hey, I was not advocating it, just that the suggestion is prolific on the 'net ;)


It's prolific everywhere...

A) Tank monitors are hokum. Did you know they build campers without them? those owners never have this discussion. And yet, they camp just fine.

B) Now that we have lots of people with phone cameras etc, and youtube accounts, a lot of documentation is available about all kinds of stuff. And this is one of those things a person can look up, and watch the video(s)..

C) The sensors are just continuity connections, so any dampness on the walls of the tank may connect them, no matter what it is.

D) When the shower backs up, grey is full. When the toilet doesn't go "sploosh", it's full.

E) The sensors are installed by untrained monkeys, who place the sensors randomly on the tank wall. On our Pod, the top or "full" sensor on every tank was at least a quarter of the way down the tank wall...

F) In general, grey is the issue when camping. It takes a serious amount of potty visits to fill 30 gallons in a weekend.. or a week for that matter. My experimentation shows an average of one quart going down each time.. that's 120 "events" to full.. If you are going in there 40 times a day (3 day camping weekend), I think you need to change your diet to whatever the doctor recommends after your visit, which should be on the Monday you get home from the CG.


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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 10:14am
They could make tank sensors that used sonar to detect where the fluid level is, but no one would buy them (the would be too expensive).

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 11:51am
You're spot on Furpod.....especially F) !

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 12:16pm
There are tank sensors that read through the wall of the tank. SeeLevel is one brand.
https://www.rvupgradestore.com/Garnett-Technologies-Model-709P3-SeeLeveL-II-p/709-p3.htm - https://www.rvupgradestore.com/Garnett-Technologies-Model-709P3-SeeLeveL-II-p/709-p3.htm
The price on Amazon is a lot better:
https://smile.amazon.com/LEVEL-709P31003-Tank-Monitoring-System/dp/B01N6B5ORH/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1549303985&sr=8-1&keywords=SeeLevel - https://smile.amazon.com/LEVEL-709P31003-Tank-Monitoring-System/dp/B01N6B5ORH/
It is still very expensive. I can live with the sensors that came with our RPod.

Horst Miracle Probes are a much less expensive option but I don't know if they are a miracle cure or if it would be a miracle if they really work since I have not tried them.
https://smile.amazon.com/Valterra-T21301VP-Horst-Miracle-Probe/dp/B00YJIB7WE/ - https://smile.amazon.com/Valterra-T21301VP-Horst-Miracle-Probe/dp/B00YJIB7WE/
They do come in both black and gray water versions with the gray costing a couple of dollars more than the black tank version.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 12:46pm
For me, I think tank level meditation is the way to go.  It is every bit as accurate as the OEM tank monitors.  You just contemplate the liquid input and output in the tanks, your organism, and that of others and sooner or later you will achieve nirvana and enlightenment.  

And to complicate matters, many of us are prescribed diuretics by our doctors to lower blood pressure, the effect of which, of course is to make you pee a lot.  With a little too much beer and the normal dose off diuretic, the number of trips may begin to approach the levels furpod cautioned us about.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 1:33pm
Just to put it in perspective.. we have now owned our Lance 2.25 years. We have 96 nights camping in it and almost 10K miles pulled. I have, as of yet, to push the button and see what our tank levels are. Seriously.
We did 13 nights over Christmas and new years.. I dumped grey twice, and again last morning on the way out, but didn't dump black until the last morning. We do have 45 gallon tanks. We probably dump a quarter to half our dishes water into the black tank..


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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 4:28pm
When I boondock for a week or two at a time I find the tank level information is handy in order to plan when you need to go dump and refill. That might be a half day event.  If you're in a developed campground with a water supply and dump station available nearby I agree that its not  nearly so important. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold



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