First Time Winterizing Help
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Topic: First Time Winterizing Help
Posted By: ColoradoPK
Subject: First Time Winterizing Help
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 1:57pm
Just picked up our first Rpod-2018 179. We love it. Picked it up in Houston. The dealer blew out all the lines and said that was all they did down there. No antifreeze. We camped 2 nights, but did not use any water or the bathroom.
Today I parked the unit and decided to winterize using antifreeze, based on advice I saw here. Got last little bits of water drained, and was able to get antifreeze to drain out of low point water tank drain and hot water drain outside. Did not see anything coming out of the cold water drain. Nothing coming out of the cold water tap inside the trailer, but did see it coming out of the hot water side and the shower head when hot water on. Nothing to flush with toilet.
So I made sure the unit was as level as possible and put antifreeze down drains and in toilet. Trying to understand what I did wrong that nothing came out cold water side? Is it because the trailer is new and it hasn't been used before? Just don't want to mess up with our new purchase.
I did have a bit of trouble with the pump not pulling. Went outside and followed instructions to relieve pressure with city water. Believe me, antifreeze came out of THAT spot.
Any advice would be appreciated. Do I need to worry about the cold water line and the toilet or will the new unit be okay until spring?
Thanks.
------------- PK Colorado
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Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 4:06pm
The order of steps seems to confusing to me. I have winterized with anti-freeze. I drained the water, bypassed water heater and using the syphon line syphoned AF into water system using water pump, I didn't relieve pressure or open low point drains, or any of that. Drain water, syphon AF in, pretty simple, once drained it is drained. Really good You Tube videos on AF winterizing an RPod.
------------- Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."
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Posted By: ColoradoPK
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 4:33pm
My wording mistake. I followed the video on you tube. Drained lines and left open. Siphoned AF and saw AF dripping from low point drain and hot water but not cold water drain. Also inside TT I had AF coming out with hot water on but nothing coming out when cold water on.
------------- PK Colorado
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Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 5:34pm
It is basically straight line. From either fresh water tank or city water, with exception of syphon line. The cold water side is basically uninhibited or controlled.
Let's see if I can post plumbing diagram:
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------------- Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."
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Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 5:40pm
I'm confused, so I'll start at the top. Drain the water from the potable tank and the water heater. (Make sure the water heater is off and cool and there is no pressure on the tank. I turn on the hot water at the sink to do that. Remove the anode to drain.) Open the cold water faucet too to relieve the vacuum on the line. Open the low water drains, usually near the axle. There are two or four of them. The drain on the water tank is something else, but open that too. When the water has stopped draining from the low water drains close them. You do NOT want antifreeze pouring out on the ground (until you de-winterize.)
Set the water heater valves to winter positions. (That's another discussion. Ask or look it up if you need help with that.) You do NOT want antifreeze in the water heater or in the potable water tank.
Find the antifreeze siphon hose near the water pump. Open the flave at the top of the hose. Close all of the faucets except one. It helps to have someone flip the water pump on and off for you. With the siphon hose in a bottle of antifreeze, turn on the pump until pink comes out of the faucet. Close that faucet and then open every other faucet one at a time until you see pink coming out. Don't forget the outside shower if you have one, and do NOT omit the toilet valve. Hold the flush open until you see pink coming out!
As you did, put a little antifreeze in all the traps and in the toilet valve.
That's about it.
Oh yeah, the black and grey tanks should be as empty as you can get them.
TT
------------- 2010 176
FJ Cruiser
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Posted By: ColoradoPK
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 5:41pm
Thx for the diagram. So I shouldn’t worry if no AF came out of the outside drain?
------------- PK Colorado
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Posted By: ColoradoPK
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 6:08pm
So I looked back through the directions to see what I may have done wrong. The RV dealer had already blown all the lines with air by the time we got to them to pick up the trailer. So I started with the instructions at opening the fresh water and low point drains. I had saw water draining from all so I waited until draining stopped. Recapped the fresh water tank but left low point drains open. Still had suction problem so did trick of relieving pressure at city water inlet. Got a good amount of air and antifreeze. Then went in and the AF sucked up nicely.
I went back out and saw pink in hot water low point but not cold. Went back in and used more AF. I think my mistake was that I kept a faucet open inside while still leaving the low point drains open. Is that possible that that is why I couldn't see pink from the cold water line? Also, held the lever for toilet and never had pink flush out.
I do appreciate the advice. Willing to learn and don't want to damage my water lines.
Thanks again.
------------- PK Colorado
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Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 6:21pm
I think you are on to problem. You don't want open drains while pumping in AF.
------------- Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."
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Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 6:24pm
To answer your question - forget about the outside drains - you want anti freeze in the internal pipes. Shut the outside drains.
------------- Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."
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Posted By: ColoradoPK
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 7:04pm
Right. I'm still learning. I think I may try again from scratch tomorrow. I know when I took the anode out, there was no water-all dry-and I think that should be so because the RV dealer said they blew all the lines. New day, fresh start, fresh set of eyes to try again. Thanks for the advice.
------------- PK Colorado
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Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2018 at 7:19pm
The object of winterizing is to get all water out of the plumbing. That's what the low point drains are for. To let the water out. Once the water is out, you close the drains. Otherwise, you can suck up 50 gallons of antifreeze and it will all immediately end up on the ground. (Not what you want.)
Antifreeze is insurance. If you blow all the water out of the plumbing, theoretically, you're done. Antifreeze replaces or, worst case, dilutes any water left in the system lowering the freezing point so that the solution in the pipes won't freeze.
Some people never open their low point drains. That leaves a little water in the system, but that water is mixed with antifreeze when done, plus Pods are plumbed with PEX, which is almost impossible to break by freezing. As long as antifreeze is the pump, valves, and traps, those metal or hard plastic things won't burst.
I use the low point drains as intended, but you absolutely want to close them before you start sucking antifreeze. If the drains are open they are the path of least resistance and antifreeze will never make it to the toilet or anywhere else, it will all pour out on the ground.
TT
------------- 2010 176
FJ Cruiser
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Posted By: Shane
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 8:00am
Another thing is if you are using your water pump to pump the antifreeze from the freshwater tank through your lines you need a minimum of about 4 gallons of AF in the fresh water tank in order for your pump to start pumping it through the system. I do it this way every year.
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Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 8:04am
Not sure why you would ever want to put antifreeze in your fresh water tank!
TT
------------- 2010 176
FJ Cruiser
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Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 8:05am
Shane,
Huh? The AF should be added thru the syphon hose directly to the water pump, not from the fresh water tank.
------------- Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."
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Posted By: Shane
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 8:09am
You can do it either way. I have been doing this for years with no problem, it just takes a bit more AF.
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Posted By: ColoradoPK
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 8:25am
I didn't use the fresh water tank. Just followed the directions using the siphon hose that was near the pump. I also wonder if the RV dealer didn't blow all all the lines properly, and that might be why I had pressure building up in the city water inlet? I think I'll start from scratch today and do the whole thing, including blowing the lines.
------------- PK Colorado
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Posted By: ColoradoPK
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 8:39am
I noticed a contradiction in the directions-at least I think it's a contradiction-that might be causing my problem. Step 8 says: 8) Wrap the threads of the anode rod with Teflon tape, re-insert the plug and close both low-point drains. But step 12 says: 12) Turn on the switch for the water pump for a few seconds, then turn it off. Your low-point drains should still be open, go outside and verify they are dripping pink. You may need to cycle the pump a few more seconds to be sure. Then close both low-point drains.
So, should I close the drains in step 8 and then pump AF, or leave them open? Also, honest question-I open all the valves in step 7 to help with draining. Before I pump AF, do I close all those valves and keep them closed until low point drains are officially closed at end of step 12?
------------- PK Colorado
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Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 3:17pm
All your drains should be closed when you add the AF. You want to winterize a closed system, also do not put the AF in the fresh water tank, use the syphon valve, that is what it there for. No reason to use 4 gallons of AF to winterize a closed loop small RV system. Unless you just like to buy AF.
------------- Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."
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Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by Shane
You can do it either way. I have been doing this for years with no problem, it just takes a bit more AF. | Shane, yeah, of course you can do it either way and antifreeze isn't all that expensive. The thing is, I think, that you don't want to have to flush all that antifreeze out of the water tank. I suppose if you're one of those people who doesn't drink the water from the fresh water tank it doesn't matter too much -- although it may not be all that healthy to shower with remnants of antifreeze in the tank.
It's real easy to use the siphon hose as intended. It's cheaper and at least arguably a little safer. It's not a BIG deal, and to each is own....
TT
------------- 2010 176
FJ Cruiser
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Posted By: David and Danette
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 4:09pm
We have only lived in Tennessee for three Winters and have so far just used my compressor to blow out the lines and so far no problem. And I pour a little antifreeze into sink and shower drains. Having lived in south Florida before Tennessee the freezing weather has been a learning experience.
------------- 2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019)
2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014)
Middle Tn
2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab
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Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 7:49pm
+2 to mcarter and TT. Never heard of putting AF in the FW tank, that is a waste of a lot of AF.
we do like David and Danette, blowing out takes about 1 minute, and then add a TOTAL of 16 oz. of AF for the 2 sink traps, 1 shower trap, and the top of the toilet. Been doing it this way since 2012, so here I am with a bottle of pink rv antifreeze that I purchased in 2012 for 79 cents and still have enough for one more year. Yeppir, 1 gallon will winterize my 177 for 8 years.
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