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Topic: BAL leveler
Posted By: ron_whitt
Subject: BAL leveler
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 8:10am
I've placed this on the facebook page as well. But in case someone isn't on there. I'm on my 2nd BAL leveler.. (don't ask)...this one seems a bit stiffer than my first one when trying to raise or lower it with the rachet wrench they sent with it. Do any of you use a drill to raise or lower? And also do any of you put any lubricant on the trunion? Thanks in advance all.

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Ron & Shirley
2020 Tacoma
2012 177 rpod



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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 8:37am
I never bothered with using a drill.. but I lubed the trunion, and the thread.. I found the good old PTFE spray made the thing way easier to raise. I also, always, used a lego under the tire. If you get some settling of the BAL, it can be difficult to get out otherwise.

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Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 10:22am
I found that a cordless drill didn't work very well. The back-torque was so bad that I thought I'd break my wrist. I then tried an impact wrench and promptly stripped the screw on the BAL. I abandoned it after that.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 11:56am
I think if it takes that much torque that something is wrong with something.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: ron_whitt
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 12:18pm
Furpod what is PTFE spray? Something like WD40, or a silicon spray?

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Ron & Shirley
2020 Tacoma
2012 177 rpod


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 12:43pm
I use CRC, but WD40 Specialist does make a PTFE spray.

https://www.amazon.com/CRC-03044-Lubricating-Spray-Weight/dp/B0013J84BY

https://www.amazon.com/WD-40-Specialist-Dirt-Resistant-Spray/dp/B00AF0ODGM


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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 1:09pm
White lithium grease spray also works, but is a bit more messy if you come into contact with it.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by GlueGuy

I think if it takes that much torque that something is wrong with something.


It's possible that I got an out-of-tolerance unit I suppose. However, the Andersen leveler has worked well as a replacement.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 5:31pm
We use the Andersen leveler too.  Easy to use and light weight.

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 7:26pm
Originally posted by ron_whitt

Furpod what is PTFE spray? Something like WD40, or a silicon spray?
PTFE is the acronym for teflon (polytetrafluroethylene). WD-40 makes one with the trade name "WD-40 SPECIALIST", but there are lots of others. On my bicycle I often just use some stuff called Tri-flo, but it's not a spray.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 10:20pm
Before you start to bathe in PTFE lubricants take a look at the SDS.  I have a can of ZEP PTFE 45NC and the instructions on the can are enough to make you want to dress up in a hazmat suit to use it.  It's a very effective lubricant, but at the very least, use nitrile gloves when applying it in a well ventilated area and wash up well afterward.  This is not stuff you want to ingest.

On the other hand, if  you're already really old, the cancer may not have time to become terminal before you die of other causes.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 7:49am
State of California says apple juice is going to kill me.. seems we all die of something. I intend to be well lubed when I go.

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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 9:59am
And the State of California is probably right.  As it turns out, the state that has the 5th most successful economy in the world, ahead of Great Britain, has correctly pointed out that the amount of pesticide residue on apple skin is a serious problem.  So wash your apples well.

Yes, furpod, we will all die of something.  The question isn't whether we die, but when and from what.  Personally, I'd prefer not to die of a metastasized cancer of the liver or some other exquisitely painful and slow terminal disease.  

Having breathed way more than my share of asbestos, I feel that a little common sense, like using a dust mask or a cheap pair of nitrile gloves when needed, is a small inconvenience.  Deliberately exposing yourself to the chemicals in a PTFE lubricant, when it's avoidable, is just plain silly.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2018 at 8:23am
Originally posted by lostagain

And the State of California is probably right.  As it turns out, the state that has the 5th most successful economy in the world, ahead of Great Britain, has correctly pointed out that the amount of pesticide residue on apple skin is a serious problem.  So wash your apples well.
You might argue that those of you who don't live in California might be immune to their laws. LOL

Oh wait. I live in California. Embarrassed


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2018 at 10:15am
Maybe California is trying to protect its apple growers from those inferior, tasteless, mealy apples from Washington.  Confused

Uh oh, there is some serious post drift going on here.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: crankster78
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2018 at 3:50pm
Greetings:
I will never enter the state of California again, along with a few other States.

Crankster78

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Crankster 78 R-179 2015


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2018 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by crankster78

Greetings:
I will never enter the state of California again, along with a few other States.

Crankster78
Yeah, but how do you feel?

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: ron_whitt
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2018 at 9:23pm
HMM   I think we`re kinda going on a continental drift here..

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Ron & Shirley
2020 Tacoma
2012 177 rpod


Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 8:08am
Indeed, this is an excellent example of a 'post drift' that is best handled by private messaging so that the rest of us, who are uninterested in the discussion, aren't troubled.


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 8:38am
Back to the topic at hand: While I still have my BAL leveler, I don't use it much. With the 179, it is hard to raise and involves a lot of cranking with the wrench. I did find that a breaker bar works better as it is longer and therefore has more leverage than the wrench. Plus, the supplied wrench slips and the ratcheting mechanism will randomly flip. A higher quality ratchet would work much better. As I previously stated, keeping it well lubed will help prevent spalling of the metal and siezing of the threads. I had concerns though that eventually, the threads would be insufficient to hold the weight of the slide-side of the 179 so now I am back to using my Andersen leveler while traveling and the stacking blocks while at home. My personal opinion is that the BAL leveler and similar devices are best suited for lightweight trailers under 2000 lbs. I also did not like the way that the platforms on which the tires sit do not stay level with the tires, but as they tilt, they are exerting a lateral force on the tire which could potentially contribute to bending the axle. If it only raised vertically, that would be different. However, it moves in an arc. The higher it is, the more inward force it is exerting also.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: michaeln
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 8:50am
Good observations, StephenH.  Although I bought one, I wish I hadn't.  It seems unnecessarily complex and heavy with lots of potential points of failure.  Rube Goldberg would have loved the BAL Leveler.

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Avery, CA


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 9:01am
Guess we're lucky, we never tried the BAL leveler. The Andersen chock blocks do the job for us. The only issue is that they are limited to ~~ 3" max leveling. We deal with that by keeping a couple of legos handy. If it goes beyond that, we go for plan B.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 9:13am
Yes, from lubricating a BAL leveler to never going to California because of the dangerous apples. Leaning back toward greasy stuff, I agree StephenH, that a good lithium spray lubricant works well for that sort of thing, at least on a maintenance basis. The white residue can be a little messy, but it sticks around for a long time, keeping things slipping right along. The PTFE's and other penetrating lubricants work well to free things up, but they have little staying power.  

Drifting away again, while camping at Lees Ferry, I had the bad luck to have my right rear stabilizer land right on top of a dang ant hill.  My wife suggested that we really didn't want to invite the ants into the trailer.  So, I found a new use for the spray can of ZEP 45NC PTFE.  I not only lubricated the screw on the stabilizer, but all the pivot points very generously.  Curiously, the ants decided to use a different entrance to their nest. [Side note to furpod, I should have used gloves when applying the spray, but I didn't.  Moral of the story, do as I say, not as I do.]

So, turning back to the topic.  As a fourth generation Californian, my great grandfather came from Ireland to California to work on the railroads in the San Joaquin Valley in 1871, I can say with out a doubt that California is, like it or not, the leader of the nation.  Practically everything starts in California then goes to NY, then slowly spreads through out the nation, finally being copied in Alabama. So them apples ain't so bad, as long as you wash off the pesticide from the skin first.  And I don't think any other state has better grapes, or, more importantly, delicious wine.  And, you like your computer? Thank the folks in California for sharing it with you.  For those of you who say bad things about California, get out your quill pens and a piece of parchment and send a letter into the board to tell us how we should do things, but first take a look at where your state ranks in the world's economy.  You may find you're right in there with Qatar.




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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2018 at 4:26pm
Fred, If your admiration runs so deep why aren't you in CA? I think most of us are proud of our heritage and states, and I admire your patronage, pardon us 3rd worlders. I personally have lived in CA and I made a conscientious decision to leave, For Sure.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2018 at 6:07pm
Actually, Mike, we'e actively discussing the possibility of doing exactly that.  One of the reasons is the apples and the bacon.  The other is we can get quality and accessible medical care there, unlike what is often available in other states, such as NV, thus ensuring that if I use PTFE with out gloves, to lubricate the stabilizers on the back of our Pod, I'll have a doctor to go to to tell me that my time is up.  

But speaking of 3rd worlders, we're also contemplating getting a place near Medellin, Colombia, in part because it's a very pleasant place and in part because we can get affordable and high quality medical care for about 5% of the cost here.  .... an example, my wife had gallbladder surgery there by a surgeon who trains U.S. surgeons on laparoscopic surgery, for a total cost of $700, including the hospital and anesthesiologist which would have cost about $18,000 here in NV.  We currently pay $35 per month for our combined medical insurance premium there.  The problem is that no one uses travel trailers in Colombia and we enjoy camping with our Pod.

Certainly, California is no panacea and it has its share of serious problems.  But there are many people who demean the state for reasons that are not always objective or based on fact.  And when you compare the facts, such as GDP. quality of education, job opportunities, etc., California comes out pretty well.  Housing prices, another reason we don't live there, are ridiculous, but that's a function of the most basic law of capitalism: supply and demand.  

One of the bad things about the state is that so many people, for so many years, have moved there that it's way too crowded.  But one must ask why so many people want to move there.  If it is as bad as some of the detractors say, it wouldn't be so popular.  

And, while drifting around off topic, remember that it was not I who raised the subject of California and its delicious pesticide laden apples. And it wasn't me who contributed to California having the 5th largest economy in the world. Heck, I'm retired and don't even live there.  I just mentioned that while using PTFE lubricant on your Pod, it wouldn't be a bad idea to glove up.  

But gloving up applies to a lot of activities in human endeavors that have even more fatal consequences than PTFE's, yet people still prefer not to do it.  It's all a matter of making personal decisions and accepting the consequences instead of blaming others.

So when I have a rusted bolt or nut that I can't free, or a stabilizer that has seized, I'll use my ZEP and if I'm not suffering a momentary bout of old age dementia, I'll drag out a pair of my Costco nitrile gloves and put them on before applying the ZEP in a well ventilated area.




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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2018 at 6:27pm
Peace, Fred.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2018 at 7:02pm
Just to be clear, I wasn't "bashing" Cali, I was stating a fact. I have a picture I took while in Cali just a couple months ago of the Prop65 warning on the juice shelf.

There are many great things about Cali, and many not so great things. Like everywhere.

As a direct descendant of a member of the Mormon Battalion, that had finished their conscription period during the Mexican American War, and was working at Sutter's Mill when gold was found, I have a deep and long family history with the state. But that doesn't mean I think it's perfect, or that I would ever move back there.


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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2018 at 8:39pm
Facts is facts.  And yes, furpod, you're right, California does some really weird sh..., like Prop. 65.  And a whole lot of other profoundly stupid initiatives brought to us by special interest groups from all points of views and perspectives.  We have the Swiss to thank for that screwy system.  It was a couple of Swiss immigrants who didn't think of the law of unintended consequences in their efforts to clean up a corrupt government.  

So they give a prop 65 warning, that only people who don't live in Calif. read, on practically everything, including drinking water from the snow pack in the Sierra and mother's milk.  

Alas, I've got ancestors on the other side of what you call the Mexican-American war and we call the War of Intervention.  In your free time read about the San Patricios.  But thanks to my great grandfather California has a railroad in the central valley.  I'm sure they couldn't have done it without him.

In regard to Cali, when I think of that marvelous place, I'm not thinking of California.  When you think of Cali, this is what should come to mind:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KxkMLAZlzw - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KxkMLAZlzw

The don't put any warnings on PTFE lubricants in Cali.  In fact, they should put warnings on something else that Cali has, but that's for another day.




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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost



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