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Topic: Cold weather question
Posted By: Mbearden
Subject: Cold weather question
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 3:20pm
We are visiting our former hometown Little Rock Ar with our 2019 189.  It is parked at a friends house very tightly between the house and a board fence...so it’s pretty sheltered from the wind.  We will leave heading back to NC Wednesday morning.
The low temp for the next two nights is 27...50 in the daytime.

Would running the heater in a closed up unit keep things warm enough....also concerned about the hot water heater.

 One night on the way home we will be staying with a friend outside Atpants...same weather forecast.

Thanks for your help.




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Mike Bearden



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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 3:28pm
WH can't freeze if it's on....

27F overnight with 50's during the day is no issue.


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Posted By: Mbearden
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 3:30pm
WH would be off....not hooked to water...but I could 

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Mike Bearden


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 3:55pm
The water heater should still have water in it even if not connected to water. Just run it on propane and it won't freeze. The heater is a 20,000 btu furnace, it'll will keep the pod warm in 27 degree temps with the door open. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: Mbearden
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 3:59pm
I was instructed to never run the WH unless I was sure it was full of water.

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Mike Bearden


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 4:29pm
You are correct, always make sure WH has water in it prior to heating.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 4:31pm
As furpod said, 27 overnight and 50s daytime is no issue, even without any heating. There will be enough ambient heat left over from the daytime to keep the pipes from freezing, especially with the wind break you have.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by Mbearden

I was instructed to never run the WH unless I was sure it was full of water.


Well.. we can only go by the information you give.. Since you were concerned specifically about the WH, I figured you had water in it. If it's empty, then there is no water to freeze, so it can't be damaged. 


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Posted By: Mbearden
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 5:59pm
Didn’t mean to be vague...had not thought about the WH.,..my plan is to run the furnace for an hour or two later tonight...and then shut it off.

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Mike Bearden


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 6:56pm
Mike, I have stayed in similar conditions, no issues.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 8:10pm
Originally posted by Mbearden

I was instructed to never run the WH unless I was sure it was full of water.

I believe that if you use your water pump and get water out of your hot water faucet, you will have enough water to avoid burning up your anode. (Someone will be sure to correct me if this is wrong Smile.)

More importantly - As a 'Newbie' I will share some thoughts with you. I am apparently a small minority here in having a great respect for the power of expanding ice over time on rv pipe connections, rock surfaces, or anywhere else. 

I am reasonably sure that Furpod and others are correct in that there will be no obvious harm in having unwinterized pipes freeze once. What bothers me is that the freezing water expands, and that can't be without harm, however small, and that harm will accumulate with multiple freeze-thaw cycles until it no longer is unnoticeable. Otherwise we wouldn't have to ever winterize. 

Altho I too have inadvertantly experienced overnight hi-20 temps, once, without antifreeze and without obvious damage, for that reason I always winterize and I urge you to do the same.


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 11:06pm
Nothing in the Pod is going to freeze if the air temp outside gets to 27° F for a few hours.  If I were worried about freezing in your circumstances, and shore power wasn't available, I'd set the furnace to come on as low as possible and remove the inside kick panels in front of the water heater and water pump and I'd leave the bathroom door open.  (I'd leave a little electric heater set as low as possible if I had shore power, and to the same.)  

It is an absolute no-no to turn on the electric element of the water heater without the water heater being full of water.  Doing so will almost instantly fry the heating element.  Not so much with the gas, although still not a great idea probably. 

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 7:31am
Originally posted by Happy Tripping

[QUOTE=Mbearden]
I believe that if you use your water pump and get water out of your hot water faucet, you will have enough water to avoid burning up your anode. (Someone will be sure to correct me if this is wrong Smile.)

I am reasonably sure that Furpod and others are correct in that there will be no obvious harm in having unwinterized pipes freeze once. What bothers me is that the freezing water expands, and that can't be without harm, however small, and that harm will accumulate with multiple freeze-thaw cycles until it no longer is unnoticeable. Otherwise we wouldn't have to ever winterize. 


I want to quietly address two things here..

1) getting water out of the HW tap doesn't, ever, mean the WH has water in it. Getting HOT water out of it does. If the WH is in bypass mode, then water in the HW lines just bypasses the WH, still comes out of the taps. This is a common misconception about how the system works.

2) The only worry about freezing the lines.. is actually about freezing the fixtures. The R-Pod is plumbed entirely with PEX. The only leaks or damage to the PEX lines we have ever had reported is when factory workers inadvertently staple or put a screw through a line.

Come spring, the things broken will be.. toilet valves, outside showers, and water pump filter housings. So far, I don't remember anyone in this group losing a water heater or it's fittings. But, it won't be water lines.


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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 9:31am
To expand on the above, the only sure way to check whether the water heater is full before turning it on is to use the pressure relief  valve outside behind the cover. If you pull the handle on it and water comes out when the pump is on or city water is connected, you can be sure it is full. If air comes out, it isn't. If nothing happens, it is likely bypassed.

One can remove the anode rod to ensure it is empty. If so, use the pressure relief valve to make sure all the pressure is released before removing the anode rod so the rod isn't blown a significant distance from the 'Pod.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: DavMar
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by Happy Tripping

Originally posted by Mbearden

I was instructed to never run the WH unless I was sure it was full of water.

I believe that if you use your water pump and get water out of your hot water faucet, you will have enough water to avoid burning up your anode. (Someone will be sure to correct me if this is wrong Smile.)


Sorry to point this out Happy but turning on your hot water heater with the tank empty will not burn out the anode rod. The anode rod is just a sacrificial metal rod of aluminum or magnesium. What will burn out is the hot water heater element if the tank is not full of water.


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Dave & Marlene J with Zoey the
wonder dog.
2017 Rpod 180
2016 Toyota Tacoma SR5 4x4
Lexington, NC


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 6:21pm
Yep, the anode don't care.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by DavMar

Sorry to point this out Happy but turning on your hot water heater with the tank empty will not burn out the anode rod.

Dang! Sloppy writing on my part.  Thank you for the correction. Smile



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