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Topic: New tow vehicle questions
Posted By: 1Hpod
Subject: New tow vehicle questions
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 9:35pm
The W just got an awesome new to her 2015 Ford F-150 FX4 Off Road super crew cabStar
Me, I tool around in the Prius for my daily commutes Angry. With the heavy suspension, and automatic sway control (I'm normally not a fan of it) we were debating whether we needed the anti-sway bars and the load leveling equalizer hitch (we had used for the previous tow vehicle).  I'd have to get a drop hitch but it would be easier and faster to hookup than the other heavy unit. THX 





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H&Rpod

'16 179
Tow '15 Ford F 150 FX4



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Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 9:42pm
I tow with a 2013 f150 EcoBoost and I have neither sway control nor weight distributing hitch. I've logged over 20,000 miles towing the pod and have had no issues. The Pod tongue comes in at about 4 to 500 pounds which shouldn't be a problem for an F150. But I'm sure someone else will chime in because I understand that sway control can be a good thing. The pod should come in about 3,600 lb loaded and your truck weighs closer to 7000.

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http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9426&title=slopod-180-mods-johnsue - SLOPODMODS
John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 11:06pm
If the F-150 has the towing package, the Ford manual says you don't really need a WDH until you exceed 500 lb tongue weight. I think ours is happy with or without the WDH, but I use it in case of big cross winds. It also seems to ride better when the R-pod is in tow.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: 1Hpod
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 11:18pm
Thx

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H&Rpod

'16 179
Tow '15 Ford F 150 FX4


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 4:41am
I don't agree about the 179 tongue weight maxing out at 500 lbs.

It depends on how you load the 179 and what kind of camping you do. My 179 tongue weight is running about 550-570,  loaded for boondocking.  Full water tank and dual batteries, nothing heavy in the forward storage areas, everything heavy stored aft as much as possible. If I put a second propane tank on I'd be at 600. With one battery, single propane and a dry water tank it might be in the 450 lb range, maybe. 

So if Ford says a wdh is required above 500lbs and you're planning on carrying water and or dual batteries or propane tanks if it was me I'd put it on there, manufacturers don't sell more vehicles by being conservative with their performance limitations.  The ride will be better anyway and there is no significant downside, WDH's are fiddly to set up the first time but after that its only an extra couple of minutes. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 8:36am
Originally posted by offgrid

I don't agree about the 179 tongue weight maxing out at 500 lbs.
I never said that. I was talking about the F-150 and not about the 179.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 8:58am
I know you didn't say that GlueGuy, I was referring to voisj's post. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Our pod
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 3:24pm
I tow our 179 with my Tacoma, using an anti-sway bar. But we travel light. But nothing wrong with more safely towing your pod if you have concerns.

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Life is good.


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 3:30pm
Glueguy,
From the factory empty, my 180 tongue weight was 390 lb with two batteries. Loaded for travel with a full tank of freshwater in the tank I was right at 500 lbs. However I do have the heavy duty payload package with heavy duty trailer towing (7 lug special, actually had 7 lugs nuts on each rim) and airbags. And you are correct with all my mods I ended up at 625 lbs,(two golf cart batteries, two propane tanks a tool/battery box,moving the spare underneath instead of hanging it out the back end and the twin bed mod with drawers and the nightstand. After I discovered this I put it on a weight loss/ weight distribution plan by adding a rear bumper, putting the spare tire back out there and removing the heavy battery box. and I was back down to 525 fully loaded. And I put some of the heavy things (and one of the propane tanks) from front storage in the back of my truck under a shell. My truck comes in at 7200 lb(also modified with bumpers and winches and such) and has a towing capacity of 10800. So really my situation may be different than other people.my only advice is that everybody should know what their vehicle is capable of and what their towing/tongue weight capacity is.

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http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9426&title=slopod-180-mods-johnsue - SLOPODMODS
John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 4:01pm
+1 voisj, my only objection was to letting folks think that they wouldn't be over 500 lbs tongue weight with a 179/180. Actually weighing it is the the only way to really know.  

You and I have both experienced being way over that. I'm going through the same process now to get my 570 lb tongue weight  back down to about 500. I can't put my 2nd propane tank in my TV because its an SUV. So my plan is to go to Lithium batteries and locate them just in front of the spare tire at the rear of the pod. That alone gets 130 lbs of weight off the tongue!

Of course, you also need to be sure you don't go too low on tongue weight as water gets used from the fresh tank and fills the gray and black tanks farther aft. That limit is a little harder to be certain of, I'm going with the 10% minimum tongue weight assumption. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 6:49pm
I hear you voisj. Really though, the capabilities of most F-150s from the last several years is well beyond what people experience with smaller vehicles. Our 2015 F-150 has a GVWR of around 17,000 lbs, so I'm not particularly worried one way or the other.I do still prefer using the WDH mainly because the whole truck/rpod "unit" seems to ride a lot better.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 7:14pm
Our '94 F-150 4x4 with 320,000 miles pulls our 177 like a dream w/o any WDH.  Tongue weight on our 177 was only 350 lbs and that was with 2 propane tanks and 2 12volt group size 24 batteries on the tongue.  Also noted that this was taken with an empty fw tank which is located behind the axle. Engine is a 5.0 L. V-8 with a manual stick transmission.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 8:01pm
Hurray for old trucks!  I hope i can get that many miles out of my Dakota.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 9:12pm
I had a '91 F-150 regular cab, 8ft box (300 I6 w/5 speed manual) and an '89 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4 (460 V8 w/auto.)

Both were strong trucks. The F-150 had a really nasty habit of cutting out under light throttle. It was only two years old when I bought it (off the Honda used lot). I took it to Ford several times and had the injectors flushed, but they could never find a definitive problem because no codes came up on the computer diagnostic. (If I had my '67 Alaskan camper loaded it wouldn't be as noticeable because a heavily throttle was needed to move the camper, but if it was empty it was maddening!)

Anyone else ever have that problem with the '91 I6? I replaced the truck with the F-350 when my son was born because we outgrew the regular cab F-150.

My ex wife had a really dry sense of humor and when we would take the F-350 to get the fluids changed she would look at the tech upon completion and ask, 'Why do the fluids in those big tanks in the back run out so fast?'

The mechanic would pause for a second and then smile when it dawned on him that she was joking. "That's because you have a 460!', he would say.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 5:09am
jato, 1Hpod has a 179 like voisj, GlueGuy, and I do. Totally different animal from your 177. You can't compare them for tongue weight. That's why I'm saying, get and use the wdh unless you actually know for sure what your 179 tongue weight is. It's most likely going to surprise you how heavy it is. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 9:24am
That's true. That tongue weight can really sneak up on you. Perhaps it should be standard practice to weigh each of the axles. I know a lot of people going in tend to focus on the empty weight, and we find out later about what a low-ball number that is.

I, for one, am happy that we did a bit of overkill with our F-150. I think our maximum tongue weight is in the neighborhood of 1100 lbs, and tongue weight is something I don't have to worry about (too much).


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 9:38am
I have a Sherline Tongue Weight Scale, I know what my tongue weight is, even with changes.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 9:50am
Yep, the trailer manufacturers and dealers put out these silly weight specs and love to advertise how light their products are and how you can tow them with little tiny tow vehicles. And when the buyer finds out they can't the RV industry says its the vehicle manufacturer's fault. 

The good news is that a wdh effectively deals with the tongue weight issue as long as its not too crazy. But that moves the limiting factor to the trailer axle, and that's another area I have a bone to pick on with the trailer manufacturers. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 10:07am
We towed our 177 with an Expedition, well 2 of them actually. The Pod was well within it's capabilities to handle the Pod, no assistance. On a lark, I set up the WDH we use with our Airstream, to see if it made a difference at all.. we never towed the Pod without again. My sister tows her 177 with a '17 F250, nothing but a 9 1/2 drop ball hitch. No issues. Wink

Our F250 allows for a 1500lb TW, with a WDH.. or without. Big smile
But we still use a WDH with the Lance, TW around 1000lbs, because, again, it feels like the truck rides better.



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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 10:22am
i think it matters a lot which rPod you have. From what I've read here, 177's are a lot lighter on the hitch than 179's are when fully loaded, especially carrying water weight. Best bet, weigh your trailer and tongue, then decide. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 8:36pm
Offgrid,  good point, weigh your tongue weight.  My son has an '18  F-250 with a 10" lift, nearly need a stepladder to get in the cab but it has a scale on the hitch to read hitch weight, pretty neat as I never saw one of those things before.  Wanted to see how accurate it was so we weighed it on a Sherline Scale and then transferred our 177 to his truck and got the exact same reading 350 lbs.  Originally I was going to take his receiver off and put it on my Explorer but noticed that the receiver on his truck is 2.5 inches, my Explorer is the normal 2".

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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 9:32pm
Never seen a hitch scale, sounds cool. If you want to know your hitch weight and don't have a Sherline or an F250 with a hitch scale and you don't want to mess around with the bathroom scale teeter totter method, there is an easy way if you have access to a commercial scale. Drive your tow vehicle over the scale, get the weight. Go get your trailer, (leave the wdh untensioned) and tow it to the scale. Roll the TV on the scale leaving the trailer axle off and get the weight. The difference is your tongue weight. I use the scale down at our county waste transfer station. Accurate to 10 lbs each measurement so the difference is accurate to 20 lbs. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 11:56pm
Here's the one I got it's pretty accurate
https://www.etrailer.com/Hitch-Ball/Weigh-Safe/WSUN-2.html - scale ball

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http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9426&title=slopod-180-mods-johnsue - SLOPODMODS
John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 6:49am
Thanks, looks like a great ad on, cheaper than a Sherline and always available. I'll have to measure my wdh and see if it fits in the available space. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 7:51am
The one my son has is a Weigh Safe model WS8 2.5 and has an application of 14,500 lbs. max GTW and 2,200 lbs. max tongue weight, more than sufficient for any r-pod, even if overloaded.  Price is # 299.00 and is available for 2", 2.5", and 3" receivers.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 10:23am
Even the 10K lbs one is enough for two rpods... My issue is I have a Reese Pro wdh which has its trunnion bar engagement under the ball so it would be a tight fit. I like it though, thanks guys. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: crankster78
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 10:25am
Greetings

I have a 2007 F-159 8 foot bed, standard cab.  My 179 has dual tanks and a single group 27 battery.  I did remove the truck spare tire and put it in the front of the box.  I've towed at least 15000 miles and have never had a sway problem.  I have 120000 miles on the truck and put on HD shocks with helper springs.  I get about 2 to 2 1/2 inches of drop when I hook up the 179 with full fresh water.   I'm not opposed to sway bars, but my truck has a 144 inch wheelbase.  Which makes a difference.  Just my experience.

Crankster78

MN


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Crankster 78 R-179 2015


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 2:25pm
Totally agree with you crankster.  My 1994 F-150 4x4 is similar: 8 foot bed and standard cab with the same 144" wheelbase (but I got you beat on mileage at 320,000 miles and hopefully on deer kills - 31, and deer 'hits'- - -  too many to count). No issues towing encountering sway.  I will admit you probably carry more weight on your truck, as mine has been on a 'weight loss' program for the last 8 years due to severe rust.  Our 2011 F-150 4x4 is a supercab and a 6.5 foot bed, again, no sway ever encountered.  Same goes for our 2013 Explorer 2WD.  BUT on our 2008 Explorer 4x4 we could never get above 40 mph without severe trailer sway.  In fact on our maiden voyage going on our first camp out we turned around after 15 miles and brought it home, too much sway, nearly lost control of it at 40 mph, bummer for us, but after getting home purchased an anti-sway bar link and never had a problem again.  In summation, to agree with you, length of wheelbase plays a huge part in the 'sway' issue.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 3:06pm
Originally posted by jato

Our 2011 F-150 4x4 is a crew cab and a 6.5 foot bed, again, no sway ever encountered.
I don't know what the size differences are between the 2011 and the 2015, the F-150 starting in 2015 is a completely different animal than 2011. Our's is a supercrew, with the 6.5' box, and the wheelbase is 157". I can tell you that the ride with or without the R-pod attached is smoooo_oooth.



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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 3:38pm
Hi Jato, I started another thread today on trailer and tongue weights vs. sway, can you let me know (preferably on that thread for continuity) what your trailer weights were when you encountered sway (if you know them), or if not, what you had on board (I can probably calc it pretty close from that)? I think you carry a full fresh water tank right? One battery or two? One propane or two? thanks!

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold



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