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Topic: RV 178 water dripping - exterior
Posted By: BoulderGal
Subject: RV 178 water dripping - exterior
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 10:44pm
Hello everyone, Someone on an rPod forum suggested I contact this group. I have a 2015 that I'm currently camping in for a short work assignment on the Oregon Coast. This has been an "up close and personal" into to everything that might go wrong HAS. So, here are the details of which some may or not be pertinent: 1). I have ONLY had my water supply hooked up to city water this trip. I've been camping for about a month and the indicator showed I had about 1/2 tank of water in the fresh water tank. This is odd since I have the trailer winterized last winter and have never put water in the fresh water tank. 2) I do have a water pressure gauge between my hose and the campground faucet. 3) I noticed the other day that my fresh water tank was FULL! Again, no, I haven't filled it. 4) I saw water dripping from both of the rear corners of the camper (the end of the bed). It was also dripping a lot from where the hose was connected to the City Water connection. 5) There was a very slight amount of water inside each of the rear storage units under the trailer. (Just enough to get the tips of my fingers wet. 6) I switched over to using the pump and the water from the fresh water tank. I also turned off the city water from the spigot and released the pressure from the hose 7) Even after all of that, it stopped dripping but had started again from the rear corners this morning. I'm totally mystified. I'm unaware of any water lines of any type that are in the rear of the trailer. Can anyone help? Thank you so much,!!

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BoulderGal



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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 6:38am
BoulderGal, welcome. Sorry you're having so many problems. This forum is a great place to get advice (sometimes maybe too much advice Tongue).

First a disclaimer on my part, I'm not familiar in detail with the 178 plumbing routings, I have a 179.

Next, a dumb question, has it been raining while you've been there? You're obviously having plumbing difficulties but let's also rule out other sources of water intrusion.

Third, my recommendation is to actually look at the fresh water tank under your rPod and not trust the little sensors, they can be inaccurate. The fresh tank is translucent so you can easily see how much water is in it.

I believe all your plumbing equipment is in the rear of the 178 so if any of that is leaking then the water can run all over the area under the bed and in the storage areas. Enough water to get the tips of your fingers wet is a lot of water if its spread out back there. 

A couple of things you should do right away. Don't reconnect the city water. Run some water out of the fresh tank if it is full/overfull. Then, leave the water pump off.  You want to stop any more leaking before you have more problems due to water damage to the floor. 

Pull up the mattress and plywood to expose any wet areas around the furnace/pump/water heater area and dry up any visible water there and in the underbed storage. Get a little portable electric heater (assuming its not warm enough to just run a fan) and try to use it to get everything dried out. 

All the above is to try to get things dried out, it won't of course stop the leak itself. So getting back to that most likely the problem is that the check valve in your water pump that keeps city water from flowing back to the tank has failed. Usually that will result in the tank overflowing out the tank fill fitting but you're getting leaking elsewhere. And the usual temporary fix is to do what you already tried, just stop using the city water. 

That might have already worked and you're just seeing residual water from before you shut the city water off, or from the tank being too full. Or, you could have a leak somewhere in addition to the check valve problem. Either way, I think you have to get things dried out a bit so you can find out if there is still a leak and where it is. The pump itself and its fittings is a good place to start. 

Good luck, and others as they come on line today will have additional suggestions for you.


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Woodmiester
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 7:39am
Years ago in my Keystone, I had a similar problem but it was very sporadic, it did not happen every time I plugged into city water.  After wrestling with the problem for awhile, I installed a water pressure regulator when connecting to city water.  That did the trick, never experienced the problem again.

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Swampfox


Posted By: Leo B
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 7:45am
Welcome to the group! Agree about the city water check valve.

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Leo & Melissa Bachand
2017 Ford F150
2021 Vista Cruiser 19 csk
Previously owned
2015 Rpod 179
2010 Rpod 171


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 8:15am
Bouldergal,

It wouldn't take much of an unlevel to cause water to flow to the rear and it may be taking path of least resistance to flow. Good you are using pressure regulator. Take the cap off the fresh water tank and let it drain, leave it off. Hook up your city water, but before you turn it on, open the back of the cabinets under the sink, both in the cabinet and on the floor. You should be able to see the water lines to faucet and possible outside shower unit as well as the water pump and lines. Turn on your city water and using a suitable light watch your water connections. Look for leaks. If water is coming out of your fresh water tank, your check valve is still an issue. What interests me is you said you have water dripping from the city connection, that could be a loose connection or it may be evidence of flow. You shouldn't have flow unless you have a faucet open. Unless you have a leak or a stuck check valve. It is not uncommon to have water line leaks especially in the area of the kitchen lines. Unfortunately you can't see them without removing the two panels mentioned earlier. I would start in the kitchen faucet/water pump areas.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 9:16am
Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions.  Heading to work but will check everything I can this evening!!!  

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BoulderGal


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 9:23am
Good luck!

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Kup-Pod
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 9:24am
Frustrating to have this happen.

100% agree with Mike and his thought process.  If you pull your mattress off, you can remove the first panel of plywood (about 4 screws) and the access panel under the sink, then everything you need to see for water access is right in those areas.  

I would agree with earlier comments and suspect that your check valve is bypassing water and you likely have a leak there as well.  The water in your storage compartment would be coming from that same area and just flowing back.  

Hope you figure it out, nothing more frustrating than water leaks.


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2017 RP-178
2021 F150 5.0l
"Lead me on a level path"


Posted By: crazycoyote
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 9:56am
Same thing happened to me. Bad city water check valve, lets water leak through to your water holding tank in your trailer. The way its put together, it's quite a project to change it out. So I used an easy fix by turning off the city water to your trailer, and use your water in your water tank in your trailer, at least till you run it down to almost empty before you turn on the city water again, then watch your tank gauges that you don't fill up your tank again for an overflow. TURN OFF your city water when you leave your trailer for the day, so it doesn't fill up your water tank while you are gone. I am back on the desert for the winter, BUT still didn't replace the check valve yet. Kind of a job in these trailers to get to the location. Good Luck.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 10:08am
This is why I've never used my city water connection. I'm not sure what the city water connection does for you that you can't do by simply filling the tank from the city water as needed and using the 12V pump to provide pressure. Reduced wear on the pump maybe? With all the concerns about over pressure on the city water line I'd rather just avoid the leaks. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 10:20am
If you can get to the pump, replacing the check valve is an easy task. Order the part, remove three screws, replace three small plastic parts, replace three screws, check for leaks. 

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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 3:29pm
Offgrid, I use my city water all the time. Always want to add a pressure regulator, amazing the difference in supplied pressure amongst sources. No issues with pump and fresh water tank, works fine, I don't travel with a full water tank in a 178.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 3:34pm
Just a caveat, the overflow for the fresh water tank is in the fill area. If the tank overflows it doesn't leak into the trailer. The OP has two issues, the fresh tank filling, which 99.9% sure is check valve and the water coming out of back of trailer with wet rear compartment floors, that is a leak.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 4:09pm
mcarter, understood. There is no functional difference in usage, its about convenience in not having to travel with water or fill the tank. I think I'll just stick with filling the tank and using the pump as needed. There's always water in my tank anyway.  If I'm going somewhere with water (rare for me) I can still travel with an empty tank and just fill when I get there. I know pressure varies a lot, this way I don't have to worry about it, or worry about leaky or frozen hoses. 

Yes, BoulderGal has both a highly probable check valve failure and a leak, plus a third issue stemming from the leak, which are wet floors over a large area.  I'd like to be sure she gets that dried out before she has water damage problems on top of plumbing problems. The leak could I suppose be related to the overfull tank as well (overflow line leaking perhaps). 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 4:18pm
Yepper, the 179s are a bit different than 178s, the 178 tank is on the aft end, had some issues with a full tank and towing. 179s are better. BTW the overfill and fill are external to the floor, connected directly to tank.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 4:32pm
179's are better if you're worried about what in aviation is called aft cg (sway risk increases). 178's are better if you have forward cg problems (tongue weight too high).  Either way hauling water can be an issue. Not something I want to do, it's just that the places I like to camp don't have water.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 4:47pm
+1


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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 9:02pm
Have to agree offgrid.  We normally camp where no water is available so we nearly always leave with a full tank of water.  National parks and state forest campgrounds may have water available but we are really fond of our well water.

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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 10:03pm
Hi Mike, I'll have to climb under the trailer in the rain tomorrow afternoon to try this.  I tried to remove the cap on the fresh water tank before writing this and just couldn't get it undone.  I'll find some cardboard or something tomorrow to put on the ground as all we've have the past few days is rain.  I did check the cabinet and under the bed tonight and no signs of water at this point.  I'll let you know as your suggestion sounds good.  Several folks made suggestions about getting a pressure regulator but I already have a good one.
Thanks!!!!
Susan


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BoulderGal


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 10:06pm
Hi Charlie,
If I can get it to stop raining for even one day (this IS the Pacific NW) I will look into locating the pump.  Unfortunately, the Forest River manual is short on details as it appears it's the same one for every model.  Sure wish I could get my hands on a schematic.  Just call me "Jane of all Trades" and wishing someone was here to help!
Susan


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BoulderGal


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 10:56pm
I think you will be alright if you just get city water turned off and use a little water. That will get the level down in the FW tank.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 11:56pm
I'm using my fresh water tank until it's depleted but just don't understand how it got filled without me doing it from the connection on the outside of the trailer.  And, it seems like using city water would be "fresher" as long as I have my pressure regulator installed between the spigot and the hose.  Your thoughts?
Susan


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BoulderGal


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 11:58pm
Can you tell me on the 178 exactly where I need to find the check valve?  I'm still learning where everything is at and the manual is NO help.
Susan


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BoulderGal


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 4:15am
BoulderGal, if you've got the leaking stopped then you are 99% of the way there for now. 

When you say you're having trouble getting the cap off the water tank, are you talking about the fill cap next to your city water connection or the drain cap under the trailer? You don't have to drain the water tank now since nothing is leaking.  All you really need to still do for now is to get the fill cap off the water tank so you can fill it back up with the hose when you run low on water. It's the same water in your tank as in your city water line, no worries about that. Try giving the fill cap a little push and counterclockwise turn action and see if that works. 

The check valve is part of the pump. In your trailer as mcarter says: "open the back of the cabinets under the sink, both in the cabinet and on the floor. You should be able to see the water lines to faucet and possible outside shower unit as well as the water pump and lines." If you're not sure what you're looking at you can turn on some water so the pump turns on and you can find it by following the sound. But again, there is no rush about fixing that check valve as long as you can fill from the hose and pump water without getting leaks. 

No schematics from Forest River, sorry. We get to figure all this stuff out on our own with help from this  and other forums. Just think of it as part of the fun Wacko


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 8:41am
Susan,
 
The check valve is built into the pump, right on the end. It allows the city water and/or the pump to pressurize the faucets but prevents the city water from feeding back into the FW tank. At least that's how it's supposed to work. Sometimes sand or plastic particles from the camper construction get lodged in the valve and prevent it from closing. Many people have had success clearing this simply by allowing the pump to cycle and flush it out. Therefore you may find the problem fixes itself while you're using the pump. It's worth a try . Just use your pump for a week or so, then turn on the city water and watch your FW tank level. If it doesn't refill you're good to go. If it does refill you need to replace the check valve. When you find the pump get the manufacture's name and model number. It's most likely a Shurflo. Go to their website and download the service manual.  Here are some recent posts on the subject.

http://www.rpod-owners.com/search_results_posts.asp?SearchID=20181101083153&KW=check+valve - http://www.rpod-owners.com/search_results_posts.asp?SearchID=20181101083153&KW=check+valve

Replacing the valve is easy. I'm sure Jane can handle it even in the rain Wink . If you continue to have trouble check back here and we'll try something else. Good luck.


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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 8:56am
Hi Charlie,
The link you gave me is expired Unhappy
Susan


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BoulderGal


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 8:58am
I was referring to the drain plug under the trailer on the fresh water holding tank.  I will explore under the sink this evening as you suggested! Thank you!!!

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BoulderGal


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 9:00am
Originally posted by BoulderGal

I'm using my fresh water tank until it's depleted but just don't understand how it got filled without me doing it from the connection on the outside of the trailer.  And, it seems like using city water would be "fresher" as long as I have my pressure regulator installed between the spigot and the hose.  Your thoughts?
Susan
As has been mentioned, it most likely came from that check valve (on the pump). It's either defective, or it got a piece of crud in it to cause it to leak.

The issue of "freshness" is somewhat subjective and dependent on the original source for each. We like to take along our own fresh water on some trips, as we really like our well water, and it's a known good source. City water is "usually" OK, but it can be an issue some places.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 9:12am
Where ever you get your water, be it a well, a creek, a lake, a public water supply, just don't fill your tank in Flint, MI.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 9:12am
BoulderGal, I don't think you need to open the tank drain on the bottom anymore, you've said the leaking has stopped. You can take your time for here on, I think you've got things under control.

Thumbs Up


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 9:48am
Originally posted by BoulderGal

Hi Charlie,
The link you gave me is expired Unhappy
Susan


Didn't know searches expired. Try these:

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=12367&KW=check+valve&PID=117257&title=rv-178-water-dripping-exterior#117257 - http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=12367&KW=check+valve&PID=117257&title=rv-178-water-dripping-exterior#117257

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=12288&KW=check+valve&PID=116201&title=using-city-water-hook-up#116201 - http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=12288&KW=check+valve&PID=116201&title=using-city-water-hook-up#116201

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=11989&KW=check+valve&PID=113119&title=replace-check-valve-in-shurflo-4008-pumps#113119 - http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=11989&KW=check+valve&PID=113119&title=replace-check-valve-in-shurflo-4008-pumps#113119


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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 1:39pm
Bouldergal,

My opinion you need to remove cap on freshwater tank, use pliers and be gentle:) With tank cap off and city water supplied you can tell very quickly if check valve is stuck. It is probably just tight. If check valve is working or fixed there will not be any water coming out of fresh water tank with city water supplied.

The water pump is behind the panel near the floor, directly under sink. To view faucet lines you need to remove panel in cabinet under sink, the rear panel. (back of the cabinet)

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 2:29pm
Bouldergal,

I've never seen a leak fix itself. You really need to apply water pressure, fresh tank or city and look at the water lines internal to the trailer. Maybe dry now, but worth checking, it's to easy.

Don't be anxious about the water pump, you can rebuild or change it out, a complete change out took me 30 mins max, and that is because of electrical connections, it has two waterlines and 4 screws securing it to the floor. I don't think the check valve stuck caused the water issues in your trailer. The FW fill connects directly into tank and the overflow is connected in the fill port area, it is the screened cover hole on the fill connection, upper left. I went for a whole season with a sometimes working check valve and it never leaked into cabin area. It came out the overflow.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 4:07pm
mcarter, I think Bouldergal can get her freshwater tank fill cap off ok, its the tank drain she's having trouble with. I don't think there any reason for her to need to drain the fresh water tank at this point, do you? 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 4:30pm
I agree, that's why I said use pliers, they can be tight. She can use fresh water or city water for leak test, the only reason I suggested city is with tank drain open she can test the check valve, I never thought she couldn't remove the fill cover. If she has water draining out of drain, she still has stuck check valve. I put a valve on my fresh water drain. My thinking is all my options should work. If my water pump is not working correctly I want city water, if not city I want a working fresh water system. If you never use city water, you'll never know your check valve is working.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 6:17pm
Yeah I probably just got confused about which tank fitting she was having trouble with. Since I don’t drain my tank except for winterization or use city water I just have a different mentality about it. If i couldn’t open my tank fill that would be a big deal for me.

I guess you can look at the redundancy argument either way. If I never use city water I don’t really care if my check valve is working. It wouldn’t help me anyway because there is no city water available where I camp. My backup would be to fill my collapsible water carrier from the tank drain or the creek and use that till I could get a new pump. Of course I wouldn’t actually drink the creek water, that’s what beer is for 😝



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 6:27pm
We're cool. Lets give the OP some time. Nothing gets fixed too fast. It's a learning experience.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: tcj
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 8:33pm
Originally posted by offgrid

My backup would be to fill my collapsible water carrier from the tank drain or the creek and use that till I could get a new pump. Of course I wouldn’t actually drink the creek water, that’s what beer is for 😝


Just be sure to put your latrine down stream from camp and get your water up stream.


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2018 R-pod 180 Hood River Edition


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 9:07pm
It's the guy upstream from you that is your problem.  His check valve may not be working on his Minnie Winnie.  Shocked

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 10:57pm
So much help from all of you.  I'm working 10 hours a day at the hospital in a TINY town on the Oregon Coast, so by the time I get "home" this gal is exhausted.  Heading home to my real home in Vancouver, WA this weekend but will be back in my RV on Sunday and will hopefully be able to try all the suggestions.  I'll bring back a powerful flashlite but already have my tools.  20 years as a single, I've learned how to take care of a LOT of emergencies at home and on the road.  I don't know why this little rPod keeps me so perplexed!  I came "home" tonight to a leak from the a/c (which of course I'm not using right now) so will have to deal with that on Sunday.  Hoping for a sunny day.  Maybe I ought to think of moving to somewhere less rainy!

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BoulderGal


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 3:51am
One reason I got an rPod was so I wouldn't need the latrine. Most of the national forest cg's do have pit toilets anyway, that's about the only "amenity" they do have. 

I've spent enough time in developing countries that I never drink tap water anyway, even at home or in the pod. Bottled water in the pod and filtered at home. There used to be lots of places you couldn't get bottled water, or it was suspect, but beer and cola is pretty much everywhere. I learned early on that I much preferred to brush my teeth with beer than Coke.....Wink

BoulderGal, I think you've got your original problem under control, as in you have water and no active plumbing leaks. As mcarter says, no rush anymore on that.  An rPod is small but it still has pretty much all the same systems you have at home, ergo, it has similar maintenance requirements. 

The A/C leak could be due to the horizontal rain you tend to get on the OR coast. We get that horizontal rain in coastal NC too. The a/c cover comes off pretty easily if you can get a dry day without wind to get up on the roof. Clean out any leaves and crud that's gotten in there and be sure the condensation drain is open. That usually does it for me. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 10:10am
My fresh water tank gets sanitized. I use a Camco TastePure water filter when I fill it and then have been adding Camco TastePure Drinking Water Freshener (in reality, just a bleach solution) to the tank to make sure it stays sanitized. We have had no problems whatsoever drinking water from our fresh water tank. I also use a Camco TastePure water filter when connected to city water. I don't trust bottled water, especially if it has been sitting in a hot vehicle for any length of time. Those plastic bottles are not totally inert and I don't want to be drinking  what may be leaching from them into the water. Neither soda pop or beer are viable options to properly treated water.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 10:18am
its all a matter of what your available choices are. Soda and beer are extremely viable options if you're travelling in a remote part of West Africa and there is no bottled water available. I don't recommend them here in the US as a substitute for clean water. I'm fine with bottled water here though. Our water tanks are plastic too.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 10:28am
Soda pop = high sugar or mostly synthetic sweeteners for diet unless Stevia sweetened soda pop is purchased. Either are expensive ways to get hydration. Beer contains alcohol and can't be legally consumed going down he road in most if not all jurisdictions. In other countries, one may need to go with those alternatives but in the US, safe drinking water is almost always available making bottled water a choice rather than a necessity. One could use a Brita or Pur pitcher to filter the water from the tank or the city water for drinking. Either will be less costly than bottled water. The only thing that keeps me from getting one of them is that I have not found one that would fit in the refrigerator without taking up too much space.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 10:43am
No diet soda in developing countries, everyone looks at you like you're out of your mind when you try to  describe it to them. Yep, expensive but much better than dysentery. Besides, I always travelled on an expense account so no worries.... 

In the pod I just use the 2-1/2 gallon water bottles with built in dispenser, one sits on the counter next to the door, the expense is really insignificant in the overall scheme of things. When travelling they go in the right rear storage area under the slove in the 179, helps reduce the tongue weight!

Liquids don't have to be cold to hydrate, I generally just don't worry about that. Trying to cool very much water or make much ice is beyond the capabilities of our absorption fridges anyway, especially in warm weather. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 10:52am
We keep 2 2.5 gal. water dispensers right above the sink for our consumable water.  Can easily fill as needed, from a small stock of jugs of filtered tap water from home or in the Forest Service Campgrounds, which usually have fresh spring water tested several times a year.  [out here in the west]

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 10:57am
In WV you can get water from old school manual jack pumps in some of the campgrounds. Supposedly they test them monthly but I saw how the did it and I wasn't impressed. A guy came by one day, removed a bolt on the pump base and poured a pint of bleach down the well. He came back the next day and drew the test sample.

Hmmm...Think I'll stick with my store bought 2 1/2 gallon dispensers...


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 11:37am
I think the Forest Service is a little more scrupulous in testing here in the west.  They do a pretty thorough test and are quick to quarantine if it doesn't come out clean.  If anything they err on the side of being overly cautious.  Sierra snow runoff is generally pretty clean.  

 The testing of San Francisco and Oakland water, from the Sierras, is way cleaner than most bottled water.  I went to a bottling plant in SF back in the early 70's to get some 5 gal. glass jars to make beer and found them filling the water bottles from a regular tap water source.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 12:28pm
This is the forest service in WV I'm talking about too. If they have different water standards in different states then that would be a bit of an issue I think. But anyhow, I'm not worrying about it, got lots of other things that are more significant to deal with Tongue.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 2:41pm
I think they follow the state standards in each state, which would explain why one should not drink the water in camp grounds in some states.  We carry a filter that is pretty good if the water is not contaminated with bacteria.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 2:53pm
That could certainly be. WV isn't CA, for sure. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 3:54pm
CA definitely has some standards, experienced that from my many NTC rotations.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 5:14pm
BTW, please don't take that as either praise for CA or derogatory toward WV, or vice versa. As a long term resident for more than 10 years in each state, I love them both. Both have great things to offer us rPoders and exemplify the wonderful diversity that we have in our great country.




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 5:26pm
Ruh roh. Have we hijacked the thread? 

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 5:29pm
Yepper, sorry BoulderGal. But methinks she'll take it right back whenever she wants to. Big smile

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 5:32pm
Big time.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 11:21am
Hopefully there will be a dry day soon.  I'm sure I can borrow a ladder from the campground office to get up and take off the a/c cover.  Crazy how so many things can go wrong so quickly!Ouch

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BoulderGal


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 11:26am
Ok guys .... you can get back to your WV and CA discussion!  I'm back home (without my rPod) for the weekend and have enjoyed a full size shower!  It's about a 4 hour drive (without towing rPod) so I don't pull it back and forth.  I'll be back to the coast tomorrow, hoping my little troublesome trailer has fixed itself (HaHa) and if it's not raining I'll tackle the a/c leak.  I've gotten so much great advice .... THANK YOU ALL!!

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BoulderGal


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 11:34am
Bolder Gal, one  last suggestion.  On a temporary basis, put a plastic tarp over the top of your Pod to keep the roof dry until you can get a sunny day [arriving in mid-July] to take a look at where the water is getting in.  We keep a tarp on ours [for sun, not rain] when we're not going to use it for a while.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 11:43am
Great idea lost again!  I have a full cover but that wouldn't work while I'm using the trailer.  Any successions on how to easily anchor a tarp?

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BoulderGal


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 11:57am
Wouldn't work here on the NC coast, the tarp would just blow off, and the tiedowns would damage the trailer finish in the process. Pretty windy on the OR coast too.  How much wind do you get where you are camped there Bouldergal? 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 12:08pm
Pacific NW gets some hellacious storms.  I'm finished with the current travel contract mid December.  I believe the storms are the worst from then on for a few months.  But, I may be right back to the same job for another 3 months starting mid January so I'm sure I'll see a LOT more wind and rain.  I took this job for several reasons, one of which is to see if I really want to live in one of these little coastal towns.  Of course, that would be in a real, full time home and then taking my trailer off on trips elsewhere.
  


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BoulderGal


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 1:04pm
No hurricanes in the pacific NW though...Either way, it might be tough to keep a tarp on up there. They do make a fitted cover for the roof a/c units, you can get them on Amazon or Camping World or wherever.  Maybe get one of those and strap it real well. 

I'd still suggest starting by taking off he a/c cover and cleaning and inspecting under there (between storms). The a/c sits on a small standard 14x14 inch square cutout like the one the bath vent is in, so generally its pretty easy to see what's causing the leak. Lots of times its the condensate pan drain (which is supposed to drain onto the roof and down the side of the trailer) which is clogged. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 2:03pm
We get 15 to 25 mph winds all the time out here in the desert of NV.  Blows off the mountain to the west of our house.  I used nylon cord and bungees to hold our tarp on and it did just fine.  The trick is to get a size that wraps around the sides some, but not enough to block the door or windows.  I put some small boat [really dinghy] line cleats along the side of our Pod to tie down our solar panel and found they were handy for the tarp too.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 9:37pm
Ok, back to the campground and there was a minimal amount of leakage from my a/c during the 3 days I was gone but I imagine there was a fair amount of rain.  When I do a Google search for an rPod a/c cover, it just shows the overall trailer covers,  I seriously doubt I'm going to get a dry day coupled with daylight anytime soon plus I have to find a ladder  somewhere here (I'm sure the park owners and/or maintenance guy have one).  I feel like there's a tiny bit of moisture along the ceiling/wall seam over my sink so water is probably spreading out in the space between outside shell and inside "ceiling."  So, I need to act sooner rather than later.  Can anyone please send me a link for where to order the a/c cover some of you recommended (for my 2015 178).  It looks like the city water vs. fresh water was resolved by running the pump but I'll know for sure this week.  If not at least I know where to find the pump and replace any parts necessary.  It used to be so simple to set up and break down a tent.  No bathroom tho!!!  

Sometimes being a "Jane of all trades" gets really old!
Susan


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BoulderGal


Posted By: marwayne
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 10:47pm
If your AC is leaking inside, I don't think it has anything to do with the cover outside. There is a thick foam rubber gasket between the roof and the AC, the weight of the AC squashes the gasket therefore you have to tighten the AC down. Remove the cover on the inside, I think there are about 6 screws that have to be removed. Take a flashlight and find the screws they are hidden in the holes, once you have the cover removed snag up the 4 bolts that hold the AC in place, not to tight, you don't want to squash to gasket to much. By the way I'm the guy that referred you to this group.

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If you want something done right, do it yourself.
2011 RP172, 2016 Tundra 5.7 Litre, Ltd.




Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 10:57pm
IIRC, there are 8 screws holding the inside shroud. There should be two at each end, one under each of the side flaps and two more about halfway between them and the filters. I can't check right now because our R-Pod is at the dealer's service department. Marwayne is correct. Use a flashlight to find the screws. If you remove the ones you see and it is still staying up there, then look for more screws.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 7:28am
Susan, the outside shroud doesn't do much in regard to water proofing except to keep the rain off the equipment.  If it is cracked, of course, that's a horse of a different color and you may need to replace it if it's letting water get into parts of the system that aren't designed to shed water.  The shroud sits above the roof about 2 or 3 inches, depending on the model.  

Mine is cracked and needs replacement as it's temporarily taped with Eternabond tape that i have had on there about a year.  Later today, I'm going to start the search for the replacement.  I called Dometic once and they gave me some of the information about the unit, but they consider it obsolete even though it's a 2009 trailer.  

Sounds like your leak is, as was suggested by Marwayne, is related to the seal between the roof and air conditioner.  Best of luck in figuring it out.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: marwayne
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 12:47pm
Take out the filters first then the screws.

https://postimg.cc/c6R5h7kC">


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If you want something done right, do it yourself.
2011 RP172, 2016 Tundra 5.7 Litre, Ltd.




Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 2:26pm
Just a comment, first +1 to Marwayne, the gasket is tightened from the inside, after removal of the inside shroud. The water is coming from the outside, so +1 to Lostagin, covering the AC from outside may assist until one can get the gasket tightened.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 4:06pm
While the inside shroud is off, you can take some thin closed-cell foam and glue it to the inside of the shroud (avoid moving parts) with spray adhesive if you can't find a peel and stick version. This will help make the AC a little more quiet. Thanks Marwayne for posting the picture. I at least had the count right even if I did not remember all the locations correctly.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 9:04pm
Super picture Marwayne and advice from everyone.  We are supposed to have several days without rain so stopping any future leak is my new project.  I really do appreciate the photo since I'm always a bit hesitant to start pulling and tugging on things!  And, of course, if it doesn't fall on my head I'll look for the remaining screws.



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BoulderGal


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 8:48pm
Looks like the problem with the fresh water tank filling up with the overflow from city water was solved by cycling the pump enough times for several days to clear the tank.  It's not filling up again!  So much to learn!!!!!!

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BoulderGal


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 10:09pm
Glad that one is solved. Congratulations!

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 10:14pm
This forum has been a real blessing.  I've had my 178 for 3 years but the longest trip I'e made was about a week.  Just enough time to pack up, go, come back by a dump site, wipe down the inside and park it.  I've learned so, so much from other RV'ers and most from here.  I'm sure it's not the last time I'll ask a question and hopefully someday I'll be able to help someone else!

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BoulderGal


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2018 at 4:05pm
Update and awaiting trial to see if it's fixed!  The inside "shroud" is now fastened to the inside roof of the trailer with only 4 screws (one was missing in my trailer), two "slots" toward the rear that the shroud slips into, and the little air filters in the front slide into place securing the front end.

The top shroud is how held in place with 3 bolts - one to the rear and two to the front.  Mine were extremely loose.  So, all tightened down, all that I can see dried off, it's pouring outside and I'm waiting to see the results!

Thanks to ALL, especially for the excellent photo and information about the correct type of screwdrivers.
S


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BoulderGal


Posted By: Shane
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 6:39pm
could be a the check valve in the water pump I had the same issue this year and it turns out it was a bad check valve.

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ENGINE 55,TRUCK 44,BATALLION 12


Posted By: BoulderGal
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 10:33pm
Fortunately with all of the incredible advice here, I learned much more about how it works and by letting the pump keep working to pump water from the holding tank, everything cleared up.  So many mysteries in this world of RVing!



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BoulderGal


Posted By: alandlearned
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 5:00pm
Hello from Tampa/St Pete!

My 2015 178 is leaking in THE FRONT behind the aluminum diamond plate shield. I bought my RPod knowing there was a leak there, thinking I could figure out the problem on my own as I am generally handy with a tool but this has me stumped. The air conditioner seems to be weeping appropriately with no visible means of ingress along the rail, in fact the water doesn't appear to be even coming in contact with it (yes, it's properly balanced) and the shield appears to be well sealed. The wood behind the shield, which I must confess I was surprised to see since I expected to see aluminum framing, is beginning to rot.  Confused  Any ideas?


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2015 R-Pod 178
2019 Chevy Silverado 1500 RST, Crew Cab; Gas V8 5.3L, RWD


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 6:18pm
I think you would have been better off starting a new post. Friendly. I have addressed several issues with 178s and front leaks. You haven't given enough info to give you a fair assessment. Is it wet at bottom of front? The AC does weep at about the service lite location. Is the floor of the trailer visible below the bottom of the bottom of the shield? If you open the front storage bay is there water on the floor in there? Have you recently traveled thru rain? BTW I think you will find that shield is plastic not aluminum. Happy to help, but need more details. THANKS

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."



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