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Topic: Floor Repair
Posted By: Racerdad
Subject: Floor Repair
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 10:12am
Sorry I posted this in another forum by mistake.  I have an 2010 R-Pod that has rot around the back and sides of the floor.  I would like to know if anybody has had any experience replacing and or repairing the floor. If there is anyone out there that has attempted this on their own I would like to get their input.  I would appreciate any and all advice short of burning the trailer.  Thanks in advance.



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Posted By: Woodmiester
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 12:00pm
Good Morning Racerdad,

Well, I have repaired floors in travel trailers in the past, however, never on an R-POD.

It is relatively simple.   Your walls sit on the floor itself, so when you remove the damaged floor, you will have a void beneath your sill plate and the frame of the camper that you will need to slide the new floor into.  This is not hard, but will take patience and some pretty precise cutting of the new floor pieces.

Always remove and replace flooring from support to support.  That may mean you will cut out a little more of the flooring than you want, but the new flooring will need support on all edges.

As you cut out and remove the old floor, insert a spacer the same thickness as your flooring between the side wall of the camper and the frame.  (this will hold everything in place until you apply your new floor.  (Make these spacers large enough that you can pull them out as your new floor goes in.

Be careful putting your new flooring in.  Don't beat the edges up too much with your hammer.  A rubber mallet and a small piece of 2X4 works great.  (I even cut a groove in the 2X4 the same width as the thickness of the new flooring)Smile

Before I purchased my RPOD, I looked at a few used ones and found quite a bit of rear floor rot on most of them..After a little research, I deduced that the water was coming in around the tail lights which had not been sealed properly on a regular basis.

When I did this on my keystone, I replaced the flooring with marine grade plywood.

Hope this helps.  Not an insurmountable problem at all.



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Swampfox


Posted By: Racerdad
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 1:12pm
Thanks and now I have to decide where and when I attempt this herculean feat of frustration.  I still would like to see pics or videos of jobs. I have searched You-tube to no avail. I appreciate any and all suggestions.

David 


Posted By: john in idaho
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 4:43pm
I punched a 1" hole in the floor of my 2015 179.  I had slid the spare tire rack under the pod for more clearance in the winter and forgot it when I tried to jack up the tongue in the spring to hitch up.  I did not go all the way thru.  My floor seems to be a laminate of inner floor , foam and outer, or under -cover.  I had the piece of door that I removed to put a window in the door so I used a piece of that foam and some gorilla glue, and left a piece of the outer door skin attached to the foam.  I then covered it all with a 6" square of really sticky shingle under layer that I had left over from building something.  Then with a hair dryer, heated it up like the sun would on a roof.  That was two years ago and all is well today.


Posted By: Racerdad
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 5:02am
Since the weather is getting cold I think I'll put off the repairs until spring.  If by chance I can get the use of a garage then a winter project it shall be.  Any and all suggestions are still welcomed.
Dave


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 7:09am
Sure, its ok to put off the floor repair till spring as long as the floor is dry now and you have found and repaired the source(s) of the leak(s). If its still wet and/or water is getting in you could have a much bigger problem down the road. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Racerdad
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 7:56am
I hear you, it's opened and drying out and I'm going to tarp the trailer today.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 11:02am
If its still wet you might be better off cutting out the wet areas now if you can, water has a nasty tendency to wick laterally in flooring. That way you would also be able to leave the remaining floor areas and bottoms of walls open to the air to dry completely over the winter. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Racerdad
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 11:25am
Great idea, thanks.  I didn't think of that.



Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 3:51pm
Racerdad,

I think first thing to do is remove items on the wet area. I agree water wicks, which to me means cabinets and seating structures, wall areas. The floor can dry once you to where you have eyes on it and the wet areas. Hard to remove the wet floor with cabin structures in place.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Racerdad
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 5:07pm
Will start adventure tomorrow



Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 5:25pm
Best of luck. your favorite adult beverage might help Smile

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 2:25pm
Please take plenty if pictures and document your process; it could help someone else tackle the same problem and other members maybe able to give advice.  

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

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Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 2:25pm
Oh.......and good luck.

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: Racerdad
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 4:09pm
Thanks everyone for the encouragement and when I start I will take pics to document the process.  Time to consider a vacation... somewhere hot and no brain strain


Posted By: DenisP
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 7:01pm
I purchased a 2010 171 last December and found that once the weather warmed and the floor thawed we had a "soft floor". I removed all the linoleum flooring and placed a large dehumidifier in the R-Pod and dried out all compartments.  I found the floor was delaminated in many areas due to multiple access points.  I fixed all the leaks including the basement doors, the shore power outlet and the largest repair was the front seams bottom and sides with larger fasteners.  I removed the delaminated luan plywood and in main areas down to the membrane.  I added stainless steel braces, cedar stringers, and replaced the plywood with epoxied luan and the foam with rigid foam panels.  Once the floor was reinforced, subfloor replaced where needed I added additional epoxied plywood before adding waterproof vinyl plank flooring.
The end result was a stronger, very dry R-Pod which was attractive and should last for many more years. The repair exceeded $600 in materials and approximately 80 hours. My experience with boat repair and construction methods was very helpful.
 I would be willing to share more specifics outside this forum.  First and foremost finding the source of the water and sealing the R-Pod must be done or any repair work will be for nothing in a short time frame.


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T@b 400 with solar
Formerly 2010 171
2013 Tundra TRD


Posted By: ChewadaJ
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 12:19pm
Denis,

I'm attempting a similar repair on my rpod.  The whole top layer of plywood is pretty much worthless.  I can tell from underneath where the bellyboard (black waterproof layer, not sure what else to call it) has come loose, the bottom layer of plywood is rotten in a few spots, but not all over.  I have several questions about how you worked around the bolts joining the floor to the frame, how you put the bottom layer of plywood back in, etc....Could I contact you through DM or give you my number to give me a shout sometime? 

Thanks in advance!



Posted By: cbardy58
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2022 at 3:47pm
Hi Denis,

I have a 2015 178, which I bought last fall. I found a very soft floor in the rear under the bed and pull the linoleum up and found rotted plywood. I also pulled a small piece of the foam out and the underside is rotted too. I imagine I will need to replace the sub floor, on top and under, from the slide out to the rear. Do you have any help on how to go about doing this? I am a pretty handy guy and can handle just about any project. I have a plan in mind, just thought I would get advice from someone with experience.

Thank you!


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2022 at 6:08pm
It will be a challenging project.  Everything above the plane of the floor is mounted on the floor, so replacing the floor is a bit like replacing the foundation of a house.  Here are a couple videos of how they are built that may help in coming up with a repair strategy.  The second video is from a 2014 build, which is really not much different from the 2015.  Good luck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXneKc_fDo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXneKc_fDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXNYA73rCNE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXNYA73rCNE


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: ChewadaJ
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2022 at 6:12pm
Denis, it's a pain. I got 50% through the rebuild and sold it cheap because it was a bigger project than I could handle, having to store it in a lot where I had to drive to work on it.

You have to fine where the leak came from. In the rear, my guess would be the window. That means you'll have to take off the wall partially too. Get a humidity tester. Get it under cover, and find the leak. Then start ripping it down to the bones. You might not need to rip out the foam and subfloor if not to damaged.

The thing to remember is how the R pod is built. The floor is a plyboard/foam/plyboard layered thing that is glued together for lightness and strength. Anything you'll do won't be as strong, so you'll need to build it back a bit better.

Let me know what other questions you have, and good luck!


Posted By: cbardy58
Date Posted: 03 May 2022 at 10:48am
I am in the exact same boat and looking for solid info on how to go about the repair. The  FR videos on "floor" construction do not help.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 May 2022 at 5:45am
If you have significant floor damage/sagging around the perimeter you have to find a way to lift the walls off the floor and replace the lauan plywood in the floor sandwich. I don't know any other alternative because the floor sandwich supports the walls. Granted that its not fun or easy.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: ChewadaJ
Date Posted: 04 May 2022 at 10:59am
To some degree yes, but the walls sit on the frame, and the floor is connected to the frame. I don't remember the walls sitting on the floors.
What I did was tear out off the floors and the walls half way up the walls in the back to find the leak (rear window of course) and to get it dry. I am in the SE, so that's the hard part when I don't have a car port to put it under. It took forever.

I found some thin laminate I was using for the wall replacement, with new insulation behind it.

For the floors, I put in new press styrofoam.  Then put a 1/4' ply wood over the top of everything. My plans was to weld some metal supports, or maybe bolt some supports in below for extra support since the floor wasn't as firm as before. But the foam and plywood seemed to work.

I had a leak up front too on the seams on the sides, so I had to take out the walls on the curved front wall. That was going to be tricky. Between having it i storage that was 20m away, no power, no cover, not enough time...I just couldn't finish it. I sold mine to a carpenter who was set up for the project much better than me. I did all the hard work though of sealing it all back up and tearing out all the mold!

It's doable to fix them. I'm not sure if I'd take mine cross country until I saw how it went on short trips. I bought mine used, and it didn't figure out the leak situation until much too late. It was in really bad shape. I think I deleted all my pictures of the project already unfortunately. I'm happy to talk you through what I did if you want to chat sometime.


Posted By: marwayne
Date Posted: 04 May 2022 at 6:29pm
When FR gets the undercarriage the first thing they do is put down the floor, the lino then the walls. If they put the walls up first, the floor would be floating all around the perimeter.



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If you want something done right, do it yourself.
2011 RP172, 2016 Tundra 5.7 Litre, Ltd.




Posted By: ChewadaJ
Date Posted: 05 May 2022 at 8:49am
True, but when I tore up the floor, I saw the metal framing around each section. The walls are famed, as is the floor The frames touch each other. So I was able to rip up everything and replace the material between the metal frame sections. 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 12:33pm
The problem is that the floor structural strength resides primarily in the laminated plywood/foam sandwich, which acts much like a structural insulated panel (SIP). The floor metal framing is not where the strength is. So if water damage has compromised the floor panel the edges of the floor which cantilever out past the main rails (which are inboard) will sag under the load imposed on them by the walls.

Many folks have reported this problem abd some have even had the floor metal framing spot welds break.

So even if you get in there and replace foam and plywood you should add outriggers underneath to support the floor. There isn't any way to effectively recreate the laminated sandwich construction of the original continuous floor when patching in foam and plywood.

Probably it would be as effective and much easier just to jack up the walls and floor till things are level, install outriggers and underfloor bracing as required, pull up the vinyl, let the floor dry out, then lay down a new layer of plywood, new finish flooring, and be done with it.

You can use a moisture meter to ensure the old floor is dried out. Even in the southeast running the air conditioner and a space heater simultaneously (so the air in the trailer has as low humidity as possible) for a month or so ought to do it.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: ChewadaJ
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 12:45pm
My solution was to use a thinker board on top that covered a larger area. I lost about a 1/2' of height. And secured the floor to the metal frame in several spaces, used some 2"x2"s where needed. Again, I was going for more shorter towing and I didn't have a garage to work in. The floor was stable for 2 people to walk on. No problem there.

What I learned is that R pods are not meant to be repaired. Short term gain with them I think. Long term pain.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 1:07pm
Id still suggest adding the outriggers under there, the wall loads need to be carried back to the frame rails, and half inch of plywood and a few thin pieces of floor metal wont do that. It's not the weight of a couple of people, it's the loads (and 2 plus g's bump loads) from the entire wall and roof structures and everything attached to them.

I agree with you about the rpod throw away design. Cheap and light but not something anyone should expect to last very long. One reason I sold mine since I wasnt expecting to be able to use it for a few years. I'd rather just get another trailer when I need one again rather than try to maintain one in storage for several years in a humid environment.



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: ChewadaJ
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 1:29pm
100% agree with the outriggers. I felt like drilling and bolting was easier than welding bc of having to move the black bottom.

Good luck out there everyone!


Posted By: Thomasandrews628
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 8:07pm
What thickness is the subfloor supposed to be?My Rpod 176 is shot in the back of the bed area below the back window.Never done this before nor am I am experienced carpenter by no means.Thanks for you input.

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TA


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2024 at 10:29am
I drilled through the floor on our 179 a couple years ago and I recall it being fairly thick. It was over an inch for sure; may even have been 1-1/2". I didn't need the exact thickness for what I was doing, but I recall it being thicker than I expected.

You may just want to drill a test hole through someplace inconspicuous to get what you need. You can fill the hole with caulk.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: cbardy58
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2024 at 10:40am
The "subfloor" is a multi-layered/compressed/glued concoction of thin plywood (1/8"?) on interior (under vinyl flooring), exterior layer also being the same plywood with under belly material coating. Sandwiched between these layers is a 1 1/2" welded aluminum frame. Between the framing members are large pieces of foam that are cut to size. all these pieces are put together, glued and "pinch rolled" under 1600lb psi. The floor in an R-pod extends to the outside edge of the walls, meaning they provide wall support, also meaning they can be a real pain to work on.

Take a look at this construction video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXneKc_fDo&t=120s


Posted By: Thomasandrews628
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2024 at 10:52am
I have water damage along the back wall where the main bed is located,it's completely rotted out,so if I can remove all the damaged then just go back with 1/8 or 1/4 luan for my top layer?

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TA


Posted By: cbardy58
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2024 at 11:00am
First you have to fix the source of water damage, otherwise, fixing it is not going to be worth your time.

The plywood is glued right to the aluminum studs and the foam. When you demo the floor, you have to do so without damaging the foam.

Along the back wall there is an 1/8" plywood covering the wiring, etc. you should be able to remove that as it is not glues down, just stapled. take a look inside there to see how deep the water damage goes, though there is a piece of 2x2 (or close to it) for stapling the plywood covering.


Posted By: pedwards2932
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2024 at 6:21pm
I realize this thread is a bit old but I have a major floor problem.  Started with an issue with the entry stairs.  It had raised a section of the floor whenever you stepped on it.  When I pulled the flooring I was amazed to see how they installed the entry stairs.  2 pieces of 2x6 with a bolt thru and no support except the luan laminate......totally crazy.  I have put a 3/8" bolt thru the end of the 2x6 then added a 90 degree bracket to keep the 2x6 from lifting.  Every time I get into a project with this I am amazed at the lack of thought and engineering.  I am including pictures for those interested.  I have plans to use a router to make lap joints where needed.  I am planning to use construction adhesive to bond the luan to the foam.  By the way from what I have seen the floor sandwich has just luan over the outer aluminum frame and the sides are screwed thru the luan to the floor frame.  There are NO longitudinal supports and about 4 feet between the aluminum stringers. It is no doubt why rPods end up with soft floors.





Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2024 at 9:49am
That is why some of us have added those supports. I added one to our (former) RP-179 and it really helped.

My steps on the R-Pod were attached to the frame, not the floor. Do you have the MORryde steps? That is what we have in the Cherokee Grey Wolf we have now. Those do attach to the floor.


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StephenH
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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: pedwards2932
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2024 at 4:25pm
Yes the steps are attached to the frame.....they put the 2x6's in to support one of the bolts.  They just failed to make any sort of support for the end of the 2x6.  When you step on the first step you have a lot of leverage and the trailer frame is really a fulcrum point so if the 2x6 isn't anchored you will see a bulge in the floor where it moves up when you step on it.  Really ridiculous design.....when I added the braces to pull the 2x6 down it seemed to solve the problem.  It is probably in best interest to put something under the first step to support it when used.  We used our trailer leveling pads.


Posted By: pedwards2932
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2024 at 5:45pm
Today I cut the good portion of the floor and used my router on the edges to make a lap joint.  When I install the new luan plywood I will router the edges so I can use glue and staples to make a solid joint.  Since the luan is glued to the foam there shouldn't be a lot of flex at the joints.  I also used some spray foam to fill in the gaps around the 2x6's. 










Posted By: pedwards2932
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2024 at 5:56pm
I took a piece of the floor luan to Home Depot and the 5 mm underlayment looks like it is the same. The vinyl floor is about 1/16 inch.



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