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Topic: Hot water heater
Posted By: D&K Davis
Subject: Hot water heater
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 11:08am
Maybe I don’t understand how my hot water heater is supposed to work. I have a rocker switch on the control panel that says water heater. I have another switch out behind the panel outside that is an off and on switch. I assumed that when I turn the switch of on the inside control panel that meant the the water heater was off. Not the case we plugged in the other night and filled the water system. The switch on the hot water heater was on but the switch on the inside panel was off. About an hour later we had hot water. What’s up with this? Is this how it should be functioning?



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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 11:21am
Join the club on the confusion on this topic. 

The water heater has two heat sources, propane and ac electric. The wall switch is for propane water heating. The outside one is for the ac electric element. They are completely independent systems. If you want you can just leave the outside switch on and use the dedicated water heater circuit breaker in the panel to turn the ac element on and off.  What you don't want to do is leave the ac element on with the water heater drained (say for winterization). 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 11:40am
For those of you that have not downloaded the Suburban Water Heater Manual, here is a link. I have these type info sources in a 3" binder I carry with the Pod.

https://data2.manualslib.com/pdf3/61/6016/601578-suburban/sw6d.pdf?c29abd359864d3ff7d92fe3dbeff3dfe

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 12:20pm
D&K, this issue is discussed in the thread entitled "A Disappointing Surprise with the Water Heater."

Real quick and dirty:  
1. The water heater has two independent heating systems.  The gas system is operated with a switch inside the coach located on the front of the galley and in newer models in the shower.  The switch(s) only operates the gas system.  
2,  The electric heating element is controlled by a rocker switch on the water heater and by a AC circuit breaker in your FMCO electric panel (sometime labeled, sometimes not).  The rocker switch is located outside the trailer on the lower left hand quadrant of the water heater behind the access door.  

The older manual, at least from 2009, does not discuss the operation of the gas vs. electric water heater operation.  In the Surbuban manual, on page 8, are the instructions for the gas and electric switches.  There is no diagram showing the location of the electric switch nor is there any mention of there being any other possible switches, such as the circuit breaker. There is a note that one can damage the heating element by running it with the tank empty.

For people who are very mechanical, such as many members of this board, the operation of the water heater is simple.  One familiarizes him/herself with the circuits and switches and realizes that the two electric switches (the rocker switch on the outside and the circuit breaker in the FMCO panel) control the electric system and that the gas operation is entirely separate and everything works fine.  For those who are less mechanically inclined and those who have been misinformed by dealers or others, the situation is more problematic.  Many people do not realize that the gas and electric systems operate independently and that the obvious switches only control the gas part of the system.  This is a completely avoidable problem if the breakers are adequately labeled and the user manual adequately describes the operation of the water heater gas and electric heating systems.  Sadly for many, the descriptions are missing or are inadequate, and they end up inadvertently burning up their electric heating element.



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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 4:18pm
I can't disagree with lostagain. I will say this - on every Pod forum not including Facebook. The ARCHIVES have a slew of information on the switch(s) and operation of the WH. Posts on this forum alone go back 8 years or more. I use the archives all the time, it's an amazing resource, under utilized in my opinion.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 4:37pm
BTW, just to clear up a point, it is not a hot water heater, its a cold water heater. If the water was already hot you wouldn't need to heat it.LOL

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 4:43pm
Henny Offgrid.:) Take my wife - Please.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: D&K Davis
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 4:51pm
Thanks plodders. That clears that up.


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:01pm
Offgrid, I don't want to give you a bad time, well really I can't resist Wink, the "hot" water heater heats the water that comes out of the hot water side of the faucet, thus the nomenclature that it is a hot water heater is just fine since it heats the water labeled "Hot."  It, like switches, is a bit redundant though.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:12pm
He he. I think perhaps you just perfectly captured the difference between the way an engineer and an attorney thinks about things. 

BTW, I hold a few patents (or actually my former employers do) and in the process got to know how good patent attorneys think. Now THERE are some really schizophrenic souls (any patent attorneys who happen to read this excluded of course). 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:36pm
We should start our own forum, an attorney, an engineer and a program manager.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:21pm
Those that work with perfect 0/1 logic vs. those who think in fractiles and avoid a yes or no answer like the plague.  Hmmm??

I always enjoyed working with my engineering experts using my fuzzy logic.  As for patent attorneys, I have a friend who is retired patent attorney and engineer who was with a big Silicon Valley company.  Indeed it leads to multiple personality disorder, but the guy sure is smart.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by mcarter

I can't disagree with lostagain. I will say this - on every Pod forum not including Facebook. The ARCHIVES have a slew of information on the switch(s) and operation of the WH. Posts on this forum alone go back 8 years or more. I use the archives all the time, it's an amazing resource, under utilized in my opinion.
Here is a tip for searching the archives on this site. The search function built into the forum software is very simple, but you can get google to search just this site. Google search can do proximity searches and deal with singular/plural syntax and a bunch more.

The full instructions are https://www.lifewire.com/google-search-one-website-1616499 - here .

But the simple instructions are to type this into google search:

site:www.rpod-owners.com "<your search terms entered here>"


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 5:01am
Yeah Lostagain, good patent attorneys are for sure really smart, but wow. Our guy once spent a full hour with me during a prior art review discussing the implications of the use of the word "and" in a single sentence in a previous patent. And no, it wasn't because he was billing hourly either, he was an in house attorney with lots of work on his plate. After that I felt like my head was going to explode, it was worse than advanced differential equations at MIT. Margarita time!

mcarter, all the three of us would need to add is an accountant and we would be set. Then, if we started our own business the accountant could track our financial losses from arguing among ourselves.....


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 3:28pm
Adding an accountant will only create more drama....."It's not in the budget", "You're over budget", etc.

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

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