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Topic: new R-Pod owner
Posted By: sailingskip
Subject: new R-Pod owner
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 8:50am
I just took delivery on a 2016 R-Pod 179 model.  This weekend will be our first outing with it.  I chose a full hookup site here in Colorado, so I can check out all the systems.  I plan on doing a lot of dry camping/boondocking in the future.  My old (and tired) camper is a 1991 Roadtrek.  On it I mounted solar panels on the roof, and these worked great over the years.  I will likely use solar on the trailer, either mounted on top, or tucked away and hauled out at campsites.  One thing about my new rig; it does not have an retractable awning.  It does have a tubular track for an "R-dome," but they are a little pricey.  Can you use the track to feed in a removable awning with support poles?  I suppose you could sew in a small bolt rope to one edge of a canvas awning to feed into the tube.  Anyone out there tried this?  I look forward to checking this forum from time to time, looks like a fun one.  Cheers, TrekkingSkip

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2016 R-Pod 179 Hood River                    2006 Ford F-150



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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 8:56am
Welcome and congratulations on your R-Pod.

Check out my mods (link in signature). I did just as you mentioned and made an awning. I would suggest that rather than a rope, you check out Amazon and order some Keder Welting (I'm not sure of the size). I used a rope and it was a pain in that it took 2 people to feed the fabric with rope into the rail. For my version 2 slide-out cover, I ordered the keder welting and it is a one-person job as the welting is stiff enough to push through the rail rather than needing a second person to pull it through.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: sailingskip
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 9:08am
Thanks for the tip on making an awning.  I'll check it out.

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2016 R-Pod 179 Hood River                    2006 Ford F-150


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 10:29am
Welcome to the group.  I hope you find it as useful as I have.  Lots of good info her and many fun and informative discussions, especially when the engineers start talking about amps vs. watts.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 10:38am
Our 179 is a (green) 2017, so is probably real similar to yours. The keder rail should be the 14mm size, and would normally accept the 13mm keder. However, FR used screws that are too large, and restrict the size of the keder by a couple millimeters. So we ordered 11mm keder from https://www.keder.com/ - American Keder .


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: sailingskip
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 12:14pm
Thanks for the tip.

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2016 R-Pod 179 Hood River                    2006 Ford F-150


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 3:42pm
Welcome!

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: Live2Camp
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 4:12pm
Welcome! Let us know how your shakedown trip goes...betting you'll have a great time.

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2017 R-Pod 179 HRE (the green one)
His:Ford F150 double cab 4WD; Hers/mine:Tacoma V6 double cab 4WD
Still love rugged, diggin' comfy too


Posted By: Leo B
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 5:40pm
Welcome to the group!! Congrats on you 179

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Leo & Melissa Bachand
2017 Ford F150
2021 Vista Cruiser 19 csk
Previously owned
2015 Rpod 179
2010 Rpod 171


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 5:05am
I got a 2012 R177 a couple weeks ago.  It’s been so hot that camping didn’t even sound fun yet but the weather is starting to change finally!  Looking forwards to hearing about others opinions about their units.  (Probably should have done this before buying mine)....  I just bought two new AGM batteries and a spare gas tank for it.  I have to make a new rack for the batteries and install the double gas rack for the tanks before going out still, but the unit seems to be in good shape otherwise.  Great design on these things.  I haven’t had a camper for 15 yrs or so and am looking forwards to traveling around the area soon on 4 day weekends.  I’m near Asheville N C and the Smokey Mtn Nat Park, so plenty of places to see here


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 5:15am
I got a 100w panel with a control/charger yesterday.  I would appreciate input on how you connected yours.  I normally would connect straight to the batteries, but don’t know if that would backfeed and hurt anything in the camper.  Also, dosent the camper have a battery charge indicator?  I still need to familiarize myself with the controls in it.  My last camper was a good bit older with no electronics.  
On another note, can I get a pdf manuel for my model somewhere?  Or a hard copy?  Thanks


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 6:54am
Brent S, you can connect your solar charge controller output directly to the batteries if you want, no problem with backfeed. The solar input connection on the rRods is just a connection to the battery anyway. so its the same thing, just adds a longer wire run so more voltage loss. 

It would be a good idea to connect it through an inline fuse in case you ever get a short in the line to the solar module/controller. Batteries put out a lot of current into to short, solar modules don't, so the fuse should go at the battery end. 

There is a battery indicator, should be the lowest button on your indicator panel, just below the ones for the water tanks. Not really very accurate but it gives you some idea. 

You should have gotten a basic manual with the rPod. Forest River has those online as well.  

If you're looking for a full blown manual with things like actual schematics, there aren't any AFAIK. I don't think anyone on this forum has ever found anything like that but if they have I'm sure we'll hear suggestions later on today. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 9:55am
Thanks.  After I posted I went out and saw the battery indicator on the wall by the door. I also tested the outside lights and have brake and turn, but no running lights.  One more thing to work on before taking it out.
  Good idea on the fuse in the line.  I’m an electrician so would probably have done that anyways, but I’m the first to admit that I don’t know DC or solar systems well.  I haven’t looked at the panel inside the camper yet, but like the idea of installing a coupler outside at the batteries.  Once I weld a new battery mount, to handle two batteries, I will post some pictures of what I did for it and the solar connector.  
  I’ll look around for a Manuel but don’t believe I got one.  Will also check their website, thanks.
I noticed the jacks are pretty low on this trailer.  I wonder if anyone has ever lifted theirs to avoid hitting them on bumps while going down the road?


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 10:25am
Brent S, its great that you are an electrician, you already know all about faults, ampacities, overcurrent protection, and conductor voltage drops. As an electrician you are already no doubt very familiar with the NEC. Take a look at Article 690 sometime, that's the article on solar PV. I actually helped write that article back in the day. Big smile

Really there is no major difference in most of the requirements for DC and solar and conventional AC circuit design, except for two things. In solar you have to be thinking about current sources coming from both directions. And in solar the current from a shorted solar array is only about 10% greater than its normal operating current on a summer day. So, solar generally can't produce the current needed to clear a breaker or fuse in the event of a fault. Batteries of course can. 

The other thing is like any other 12V circuit, voltage drop is much more likely to drive what size conductors you use than ampacity. So for example your 100 watt module will not put out much more than 6A so a 10A fuse will do, but if you're going to want to place your module out in the sunshine say 50 feet from your trailer you will need probably 10 AWG conductors to keep the voltage drop down to something reasonable. Many people find it easiest to buy a heavy duty extension cord and cut the ends off to do this. 

Not sure what you mean by lifting your jacks but for sure crank them all the way up when you're towing. I've never bottomed out on mine. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 10:55am
You can use smaller gauge wire if you locate the solar controller next to the batteries. Then the solar panel(s) can be higher voltage, which will result in lower current, which means smaller gauge wire.

Almost all the panels we have been using have an open circuit voltage in the 35-40 volt range, which needs to be stepped down to work with a 12VDC system (if you're only using one). The arrays we use on our remote solar sites are usually connected serially, so we see open circuit voltages in the 300-500 volt range, and run them through an MPPT controller which will step down the operating voltage to whatever you need.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 10:58am
Oh, and I forgot to mention it, but dual GC2 size golf cart batteries in the appropriate plastic cases should already fit in your battery rack. That give more than 200 amp hours battery capacity.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 11:21am
Normally I would have gone for 2 6v deep cells, but I got 2 12v AGM marine batteries on a good sale from sears.  They are 92 amp hrs each, but are slightly larger than the ‘golf cart ones’.  Together they are about 3/4” too wide to fit between the tongue like the original battery rack is.  I will cut it off (it’s pretty corroded anyways) and just weld a new one onto the top of the tongue arms.  I have a large miller welder but also a small Lincoln wire feed that is great for small jobs like this.  My plan was to get this to play with, but first I need to do a few things to get it going.  Same thing with the gas tank rack, I will just cut off the old one and weld the one double one I just got from amazon onto it.  With moving the batteries forwards an inch or two it’s fairly tight but will all still fit.


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 11:30am
Luckily we have plenty of spare wire in our shop here.  My son and I have a small electrical company together.  I hadn’t even done the math for voltage drop yet but wouldn’t consider less than 10ga anyways.  SO cord is really flexible and long lasting, very similar to a good heavy extension cord.
  The jacks just seem kind of low, and one of mine in the rear is different allready, so I imagine the original owner hit something with it.  There are shackle extensions that you can bolt onto where the leaf springs mount to give a couple inches more height.  I will probably add them down the road.  Loosing a jack is one thing, but I’d really hate to loose some plumbing under there.  The jacks are all the way out to the corners though, at least the plumbing is closer to the axle and is more protected.  Probably not much to worry about but caught my attention when I noticed one had been replaced allready.


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 11:33am
Really good to know about just hooking up the solar panels anywhere in line with the batteries.  I was a little worried about frying something in the camper.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 12:20pm
Try to keep your voltage drops to about 0.5 or 0.6V max which is about 5%, same as you would for a 120V branch feeder. That can be hard to do at 12V. I know some folks with a big 12V solar system a long way from their cabin that spent as much on their copper as they did on the solar. 

SO cord is perfect for the application, fine stranding, good stuff. Got any extra laying around? LOL

Ah, sounds like you want to lift the whole pod. rPods use torsion axles, but there is a riser kit available. Lots of folks here have lifted theirs. 

One little nuance on the 12V batteries. You're going to parallel those of course. When you do, take the pos from one batt and the neg from the other. That keeps the conductor resistance the same so the two batts always take the same charge and discharge currents and stay in better balance. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 1:17pm
GlueGuy, Brent S has already bought a 100W module and controller, so I'm assuming that's going to be a 12V module and a PWM controller. There are a couple of higher voltage 120W modules out there but they're rare because they have to use cut cells, and I haven't seen a high voltage one at 100W for awhile.

The ones you're using with Voc in the 35-40V range are probably going to be 60 cell residential grid tie modules or maybe 72 cell commercial project modules with 250-400W ratings. Those plus an MPPT controller are a great choice if you need that much solar charging. Turns out the length of the 72 cell modules is almost exactly the same as the width of an rPod so my plan is to mount those edge to edge on mine. But I'm trying to run my air conditioner from them, which most folks will think is crazy...

Brent S, as GlueGuy says you can mount your controller either at the solar module or at the battery, or as many folks do, in a compartment and then run over to the battery. Since its all operating at 12V the voltage drops will be the same either way in this case. 

The size solar panel you bought is fine and meets most rPod folks solar charging needs, not counting any big AC loads like your microwave or air conditioner. Once you use it and the trailer a few times you'll get a good idea what your actual needs are. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 1:28pm
I have a couple modules in the garage that are 150 watts each with OCV of 37 volts. They were meant for off-grid applications of 24 or 48 volts depending.

The newer ones we've been using for several years now are in the 250-350 watt range, and they are quite a lot larger; they would be very impractical for an R-pod solar system. With newer controllers they can be either off-grid or grid-tie. Sure can cook though! Nuke


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 2:33pm
Yeah, my buddy at Ameresco designed some in the 120-150W range at 24V. A couple other PV companies have them too. Pretty specialized product though, most companies are doing what you're doing now and using the standard resi or commercial modules which can be bought for less than $0.50/watt.

I don't think the big modules are impractical if you roof mount them and don't try to move them around. Lots of RV'ers do that now.  I'm too lazy to move them around anyway. 

The 72 cell ones are about 77-78 inches long by 39-40 wide. rPods are about 77-78 inches wide. I plan to mount 3 across on standoffs on my 179  above the roof after I yank off that POS roof air and replace it with an efficient and quiet mini split and yank off the TV antenna which I never use. That'll give me about 1050 nominal watts and the air gap will keep the PV array and rPod cooler too. But like I said, most people would think I'm crazy.  Big smile


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 2:40pm
Yes my system is a 12v 100w with a 20 amp pwm controller.  It came pre wired supposedly, so will see if I want to add a larger/longer wires.  I haven’t even opened the box from amazon yet, but hope to at least look at it tomorrow. 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 3:46pm
20A controller is good, you should be able to add at least one more 100W module to that if you find it necessary. I don't know if you are aware of this yet but all the solar cells are in series so even shading one cell bottlenecks the whole dang module. So when you're using solar modules, try to keep them completely out of the shade. I see you live in the SE as I do, I know that can be hard to do here because we like to camp under the nice shady tree canopy in the summertime...have fun!

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 4:00pm
Thanks, I’m in NE Georgia, so sun isn’t usually a problem.  Staying out of it can be!  I researched campers a lot before deciding on the rpod due to its design.  Can’t wait to take it out!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 4:10pm
My daughter and grandson live outside Savannah. I'm in Hatteras NC, aka hurricane alleyOuch. We were in the WV mountains in our 179 for Florence, one of the reasons I bought it was to bug out.  Luckily, it missed us here, no damage other than a few shingles Thumbs Up.  I looked at tons of trailers before I bought my pod this spring. You're going to love yours. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 4:21pm
I’ve seen more of the flexible panels out there now and think they would be ideal for doing the whole roof, front and back.  I’m sure you could get an ac to run, just not sure of the cost/benefit being worthwhile.  Cool to have the option though.


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 4:25pm
I’ve been a prepper most of my life, which is partly how I justified buying a camper.  Seriously after growing up in Fla. with he hurricanes I was a prepper before I even knew what one was.  Glad your home escaped any bad damage!  


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 4:33pm
To be honest, I personally wouldn't take "flexible" modules if they were given to me, I used to design solar modules for a living and know too much about it. Solar cells are made of crystalline silicon, which is a (very) brittle material. Nuff said, don't want to start a debate on that...

My objective with the ac is to run it overnight during campground quiet hours, not to run it 24/7 from solar. So the main thing is to have a very efficient ac unit and a large battery bank. The solar is there to reduce the cost of generator runtime to recharge during the day. 

The cost will be a few $K, mostly for the Li Ion battery. 

The benefit? DW has told me she won't camp with me on the beach here on the OBX without ac in the summer. Can't say I blame her, and neither of us like the private campgrounds with hookups around here much. So right now we either have to drive all the way to the mountains where it's cool or not camp. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 5:28pm
Lol, my wife isn’t going to rough it either.  I got the propane generator for her, otherwise I coul go off grid pretty easily.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 6:31pm
Using a propane genny is still going off grid. Just fossil fueled not solar. I have a 2kw Honda converted to propane as well. Runs the aircon just fine. 

The problem is noise. During the day we're mostly outside anyway so don't need the ac really. Its those hot humid nights....  

If you're in pretty much any campground rather than pure boondocking you can't run your genny at night. National park and national forest campground quiet hours are 10p to 6a, and if you run your genny at 9p or 7a you don't have happy neighbors. Most state parks have similar rules if not more strict. 

So, my objective is 12 hours of ac, 8p to 8a, with no input from a genny (or course there isn't much of anything from solar during those hours anyway). No way to do that without going to Li Ion batteries, lead acid is way too heavy. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Brent S
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 6:49pm
You’re definitely right about lead acid batteries being too heavy, and are limited in life cycles.  Lithium has potential, but is not where it needs to be yet.  I’m hoping within ten years there will be a much better option out there.  It is coming anyways.  As for now, I guess we’re way ahead of where people were 100yrs ago, so should be greatful.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 4:42am
If you're looking at total life cycle cost and planning to keep your rig long enough Lithium is already there. And anyhow I can't wait 10 years for something better, I'm 65 now...

Easiest way to look at it is delivered amp hours. If maintained properly your lead acid batt is going to deliver about 500 50% cycles, so a 100AH battery can give you 25,000 AH. A Li batt can provide about 2500 80% cycles, so 200,000 AH from a 100AH battery. That's an 8x factor. 

So you can theoretically afford to pay 8x as much for the same capacity Li as you would for PbA. And that's just about what the current difference is. You can buy a Battleborn 12V 100AH Li battery for $950. And then the 4x weight benefit comes for free...

But you have to keep your rig 10+ years to see the full life cycle benefit depending on how much you use it.  

What I plan to do is buy a battery module out of a low mileage wrecked Tesla. Those are running about $1300-1400 and are about 23V, 230AH, so cost about $250 per kWh vs. the Battleborn at $800/kWh. That pretty much makes it a no brainer as long as you're willing to design the battery management system (the Tesla BMS won't work with the module out of the car) and do a custom install with a 24/12 dc to dc converter, etc. 

Those Tesla modules only weigh 55 lbs so they're about half the weight per kWh of the Battleborn batteries, 1/8 the weight per useful kWh of the PbA batts. What I'm still trying to determine is if I need 2 or can get by with 1 Tesla battery module to get through my 12 hour quiet period running the ac. If I have to buy 2 I want to get them from the same wrecked car so that they have the same number of cycles on them. 





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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold



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