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Topic: 1st road trip with the new 180
Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Subject: 1st road trip with the new 180
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2018 at 2:47pm
Just got back from our 1st out of the area weekend trip with the new 180. We went to Carmel for the annual Carmel Dachshund meetup on the beach (200 weenies!) and then up to the redwoods north east of Santa Cruz. It took three tanks to go up and back and I ended up with a 1/4 tank when we got home. The V6 Tacoma pulled it great but we only got about 10.7 mpg, at a little over 60 mpg. I was hoping for at least 12 but I was carrying a full tank of fresh water, because I had just had the Equalizer WDH installed and wanted the trailer loaded for the hitch set up.
I did make one bonehead mistake. I left the switch on for the water pump when we had city water hooked up so it pumped out of the fresh water tank instead. Oh well. This is only our third outing in the new rPod.



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Posted By: rreynolds50@icloud.c
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 2:46pm
I haven't bought one yet but I plan on getting a 180 very soon


Posted By: rreynolds50@icloud.c
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 2:47pm
Be pulling it with a 2012 F-150 crew cab 4-wheel drive 3.7 EcoBoost that should be plenty


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 3:12pm
That should work well. Congrats on your 180.


Posted By: DavMar
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by OldNeumanntapr

Just got back from our 1st out of the area weekend trip with the new 180. The V6 Tacoma pulled it great but we only got about 10.7 mpg, at a little over 60 mpg. I was hoping for at least 12 but I was carrying a full tank of fresh water, because I had just had the Equalizer WDH installed and wanted the trailer loaded for the hitch set up.


Don't know what year, model, ect of your Tacoma is but I've been able to average around 12 mpg plus pulling my 180. I assume if your Tacoma has an automatic transmission that your shifting it in manual between 3rd to 5th gear (sometimes on the super slab and long flat run I'll shift into 6th) and that you have the ECT on if have that feature? That seems to help increase my mileage with my Tacoma.


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Dave & Marlene J with Zoey the
wonder dog.
2017 Rpod 180
2016 Toyota Tacoma SR5 4x4
Lexington, NC


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by DavMar


Originally posted by OldNeumanntapr

Just got back from our 1st out of the area weekend trip with the new 180. The V6 Tacoma pulled it great but we only got about 10.7 mpg, at a little over 60 mpg. I was hoping for at least 12 but I was carrying a full tank of fresh water, because I had just had the Equalizer WDH installed and wanted the trailer loaded for the hitch set up.
Don't know what year, model, ect of your Tacoma is but I've been able to average around 12 mpg plus pulling my 180. I assume if your Tacoma has an automatic transmission that your shifting it in manual between 3rd to 5th gear (sometimes on the super slab and long flat run I'll shift into 6th) and that you have the ECT on if have that feature? That seems to help increase my mileage with my Tacoma.


We have a 2011 Tacoma PreRunner with the 4.0 V6. I shift manually and stay out of overdrive (5th gear).

On our recent trip to Oregon for the NW Meetup Rally at Cannon Beach we got as high as 13 mpg . That was on a tank of Chevron 87 octane if it matters .

I don’t know what ECT is but I don’t think my truck is equipped with that.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 6:14am
Just a comment. 

One reason why fuel burn numbers always seem to be all over the map even on dead flat roads with the same tow vehicles, same road speeds and even drivers is due to headwinds or tailwinds. Since at freeway speeds about 2/3 of your horsepower while towing is going to overcome air drag on that big box and only 1/3 goes to rolling resistance, even a few mph of wind added or subtracted from your road speed can make a huge difference. And air drag goes up 4x when you double your air (not ground) speed. Say you had an almost unnoticeable 5 mph headwind going one direction at 60 mph, then you turned around and went the other way, also at 60 mph. That would cause about a 4 mpg change in fuel economy even on a dead flat highway.  

First day I brought my 179 home I got 18 mpg. Whoo hoo! Thumbs Up. Next week I loaded up, went the other way and got 11. Thumbs Down, Thought at first it was the additional rolling resistance from the weight but nope, I had about a 20 mph tailwind the first tow and about a 10 mph headwind the 2nd. 

Might want to also consider slowing down when you have a headwind and speeding up for a tailwind. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: DavMar
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 10:15am
In newer models with 4 wheel drive the ECT is electronic control traction. I guess your older PreRunner doesn't have a 6 speed transmission like my model Tacoma. Having to run in 4th gear as your top gear all the time could very well be a cause for your lower mpg?

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Dave & Marlene J with Zoey the
wonder dog.
2017 Rpod 180
2016 Toyota Tacoma SR5 4x4
Lexington, NC


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 12:51pm
My Tacoma has a five speed auto trans. We tow at 55 to 60 mph and try to stay on rural two-lane roads.
I agree that wind resistance plays a big part. It's easier to go slower on country roads than the interstate, plus you see better scenery a lot of the times. I've never been in a big hurry. (I drove a VW bus for seven years in the 80s and 90s!)


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 1:08pm
I drove a 1960 VW camper cross country in the early 70's. You haven't lived till you drive a 40hp bus eastbound on the trans Canada into a freezing 30 mph north wind at 50 mph pedal flat on the floor. Like a 4 day continuous sharp left turn Unhappy.  I've never been in a hurry driving either. If you want to go somewhere fast, get an airplane. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 1:28pm
Originally posted by offgrid

I drove a 1960 VW camper cross country in the early 70's. You haven't lived till you drive a 40hp bus eastbound on the trans Canada into a freezing 30 mph north wind at 50 mph pedal flat on the floor. Like a 4 day continuous sharp left turn Unhappy.  I've never been in a hurry driving either. If you want to go somewhere fast, get an airplane. 

Exactly! (Mine was a '67 EZ-Camper with 53 horses but it was still slow. The pre '68s had the reduction boxes on the rear wheels and could climb better but didn't have the top speed that the non-split window busses had. Like you really needed to go over 55 mph in a bus!)

I always laughed when I would look into my side mirror and watch the panicked drivers behind me as they serpentined back and forth trying desperately to get around me! They ALL had the same look on their faces!

I've always disliked impatient people.

I learned a lot from driving the VW bus. It's almost like a Zen thing! (Also it helped to think about the quote in the John Muir 'Idiots Guide to VW Repair' that said, 'If everyone drove like they were strapped to the front of their vehicle like an Aztec sacrifice and would be the first thing hit in an accident, then people would be a lot slower and safer!) 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 3:09pm
I do recall that John Muir quote. And you used to feel exactly like you were strapped to the front of your vehicle driving a bus. 

Those reduction boxes really meant you were stirring that long gearshift a lot getting going, but they gave you great ground clearance. I eventually got a 56 bug with a bad 36hp and swapped the 40 horse from the bus into it, then got a 1600 dual port for the bus. Then I actually could go 55 mph in it and climb hills at more than 10 mph. Then later I had a 72 Westy, that was really a step up...

There are places you can rent old Westy campmobiles now if you want to recreate that zen feeling. Check out thesamba.com if you haven't to see what those things go for these day...

And we're way way off topic now...


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: DavMar
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by OldNeumanntapr


I learned a lot from driving the VW bus. It's almost like a Zen thing! (Also it helped to think about the quote in the John Muir 'Idiots Guide to VW Repair' that said, 'If everyone drove like they were strapped to the front of their vehicle like an Aztec sacrifice and would be the first thing hit in an accident, then people would be a lot slower and safer!) 

Now with that sentence your giving me flashbacks and they are not good! Between all my VW's bugs and van, I wore out my copy of the Idiots Guide to VW Repair. One of my fondest days was the one I sold my rid of my 66 Micro-Bus, that seemed to spend more time broke down then running. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that today one in good condition is worth mucho-denaro!


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Dave & Marlene J with Zoey the
wonder dog.
2017 Rpod 180
2016 Toyota Tacoma SR5 4x4
Lexington, NC


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 6:05pm
Yeah, the 21 window Deluxe Micro Busses are worth bank! I know someone who has a '66 Deluxe. It's blue and white.


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 6:46pm
A friend just sold her ‘86 westy with over 300,000 miles on original engine for $27,000. She bought it for $12,500 , put $8000 into it and drove it for 6 years.
Westies have a cult following now
We always had vans,but they were the old Ford econolines
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 6:51pm
The Vanagons are really expensive and had a lot of mechanical problems, even when they were new. My ex wife had a co worker that had nothing but problems with (at that time fairly new) an '88 Vanagon with the watercooled motor. The engine was in the back and the radiator was in the front and it had constant cooling system troubles.

There is a huge VW place here locally in Los Osos called 'Go Westy' that does repair and sales. The used ones on their lot are astronomically priced! For the money I'd rather have my new rPod!


Posted By: DavMar
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2018 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by OldNeumanntapr

The Vanagons are really expensive and had a lot of mechanical problems, even when they were new. My ex wife had a co worker that had nothing but problems with (at that time fairly new) an '88 Vanagon with the watercooled motor. The engine was in the back and the radiator was in the front and it had constant cooling system troubles.

There is a huge VW place here locally in Los Osos called 'Go Westy' that does repair and sales. The used ones on their lot are astronomically priced! For the money I'd rather have my new rPod!

Maybe your friend bought my old blue and white 66! .... LOL People pay crazy prices for Vanagon's and the old Micro Buss'es. Both of them had junk motors IMHO, the air-cooled motors they put in the Bugs and Vans where way to under-powered in Vans and not much better in the Bugs! The later water cooled Van motors were also a disaster in the making. Though what I do find very cool is that there are a few companies beefing up old Westy Van's suspensions, ripping out Volkswagen motors and putting in place Subaru motors. Now that is something if I was single I'd definitely be interested in but since I'm not the R-pod fit the boss and I perfect. 


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Dave & Marlene J with Zoey the
wonder dog.
2017 Rpod 180
2016 Toyota Tacoma SR5 4x4
Lexington, NC


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2018 at 3:20pm
My friend Rudy has had his blue and white 21 window deluxe for more than 30 years. It has been restored twice. He's put thousands of dollars into that bus. I wish I still had my '67 camper bus. It was not an original Westphalia, but was converted to a camper when it was new by EZ Camper of America. It had the wood headliner and bed, table, and icebox. Primitive, underpowered, cold, noisy, but fun when I was in my 20s. My grandfather restored Model A Fords and he did the paint and body work on my bus. We painted it Pearl White, the original color, and it looked new.



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