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Topic: still can't decide which WDH rating
Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Subject: still can't decide which WDH rating
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 1:29am
Looking to purchase an Equalizer WDH. As I understand, the rPod is a little under 4,000 lbs wet. The brochure lists the tongue weight for the 180 as 340 lbs, but there is some question if that includes the weight of the battery (64 lbs), full propane take (approx 37 lbs), and power tongue jack (24 lbs). People here have suggested both the 400/4000 model and the 600/6000 model. I don't want to load up the trailer axel too much with a bigger weight distributing hitch than I need, because of the single-axel trailer. On the other hand, I would like to have a bit of leeway on the tongue weight.

I talked with the local trailer hitch shop and told him that etrailer.com wanted an EXACT tongue weight before they could make a recommendation. I estimated a little over 400 lbs so they suggested the 600/6000. I told the hitch shop owner that my PreRunner only dropped an inch when I hitched up the rPod and he was shocked. He said that the tongue weight must not be that much so he thought I should go with the smaller 400/4000. Should I take the trailer to the local truck stop and have the tongue weighed to be certain?

Mostly I want the 4-point sway control that the Equalizer offers, and I also want to better distribute the weight so my rear tires are not being overloaded. I figured that even one inch lowered in the back would still affect my headlights, and I don't want people flashing high beams at me like when I had my tent trailer on my 2002 5-lug four cylinder.

Thanks in advance for any advice.



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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 8:38am
So far, I have never seen an issue, nor felt bad about recommending 600 pound bars for any Pod. It is in fact what most pod owners use.

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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 9:04am
When we got our RP-179, the dealer told us the 600/6000 was the best choice for this size of trailer. We never questioned it, we just did it. We've never had an issue.

Don't forget that in order to get the balance, the weight bars and hitch have to be adjusted for the TV/TT combination. The difference will be that he 400/4000 will be at 90% (or close to that), and the 600/6000 will be at 60% (or close to that).


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 10:23am
Will the 600/6000 model transfer more weight to the trailer axel? I was told it wasn't a good idea to load up that axel too much.

I have a shell on the truck, but don't plan on carrying anything heavy in the bed. Just an ice chest for drinks and a small bin with a little bit of firewood, no more than a night or two worth. I know that all goes into the tongue weight calculation.

I do like the 90% 60% comment. Good point. I'm leaning toward the 600/6000.

On a side point:
Anyone here with a Tacoma with the factory BFG Rugged Trail TAs? My front tires are six-years old and are cracking where the sidewall meets the tread, which I've heard is a characteristic of BFG Rugged Trail tires. I want to replace the front two with a different brand. Someone suggested Hancook. Are they good? Any other recommendations?


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 10:42am
Go with the 6000/600 Equalizer. The smaller model is close to it's capacity and leaves no room for growth. I used the E2 6000/600 with an RP 172/Honda Pilot combo and still use it on my CampLite 21RBS/Tacoma rig.

As for Tacoma tires, look at BFG AT/KO2s. Great tires.


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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 11:08am
Go to your local reputable hitch dealer/installer with your TV and specs for your trailer.  They'll set you up with a WD hitch, sway control and brake controller.

We're lucky to have Council Hitch, 219 N 16th St Council Bluffs, IA 51501. 712-322-4717 near by.  (Shameless plug for a great business.)  Many local RV dealers use and recommend them.


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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

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Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 11:46am
Originally posted by OldNeumanntapr

Will the 600/6000 model transfer more weight to the trailer axel? I was told it wasn't a good idea to load up that axel too much.

They're adjustable, so you set them where they need to be.  You could get a 600/6000 and set it up to not transfer any weight or, probably not with a 600/6000, but you could take all of the weight off the rear axle and take the rear tires off entirely. (Not recommended.)

Anyone here with a Tacoma with the factory BFG Rugged Trail TAs? My front tires are six-years old and are cracking where the sidewall meets the tread, which I've heard is a characteristic of BFG Rugged Trail tires.

Sounds more like a characteristic of 6-year old tires.  If you've gotten six years out of them I'd put another set on in a heartbeat!

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by CharlieM

Go with the 6000/600 Equalizer. The smaller model is close to it's capacity and leaves no room for growth. I used the E2 6000/600 with an RP 172/Honda Pilot combo and still use it on my CampLite 21RBS/Tacoma rig.

As for Tacoma tires, look at BFG AT/KO2s. Great tires.

Thanks. Good point on the being close to capacity.

I've had BFG All Terrains before. They are good but VERY expensive, and not good for gas mileage.


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by crw8sr

Go to your local reputable hitch dealer/installer with your TV and specs for your trailer.  They'll set you up with a WD hitch, sway control and brake controller.

I have a Draw Tite digital brake controller that was just installed by the rPod dealer. THEY told me I didn't need the WDH, but I think I'd like to have it, if for nothing more than the sway control. 


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 12:41pm
Just got off the phone with eTrailer. They were VERY helpful! I explained what I had and they thought the 600/6000 lb model of the Equalizer was best. She said the tongue weight range of that model was from 200 to 600 lbs, so it would be the best match for the rPod.

I also called the RV dealer where we purchased from and they recommended the same model. They said that the 340 lb tongue weight on the brochure did include the battery, propane tank, etc.

Awesome! I will be ordering soon, and I have an appointment for installation on June 28th.


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 2:57pm
Originally posted by OldNeumanntapr

Will the 600/6000 model transfer more weight to the trailer axle? I was told it wasn't a good idea to load up that axle too much.

On a side point:
Anyone here with a Tacoma with the factory BFG Rugged Trail TAs? My front tires are six-years old and are cracking where the sidewall meets the tread, which I've heard is a characteristic of BFG Rugged Trail tires. I want to replace the front two with a different brand. Someone suggested Hancook. Are they good? Any other recommendations?

The WDH won't transfer more than it is set to. The idea is to transfer enough to the front tires to level out both the TV and the TT. That's the whole point of going through the setup procedure.

WRT Tires: What is the date code on your tires? It will be a 4-digit number stamped on the sidewall. It shows the year/week that the tires were made. For example, 1220 were made in the 20th week of 2012, and would be recommended to retire in the 20th week of 2018 (about where we are).


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 3:25pm
Date code on the front tires are from 2012 and will be retired this summer before the Oregon trip. The rear tires are from 2015. 


Posted By: ToolmanJohn
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 4:01pm
When on the edge of tongue weight and trying to select a WDH , it's always better to get the next higher ones, rather than the rating that just barely satisfies the requriement. it sounds like you HSOULD have 600 pound bars. If they sell in 200 pound steps get the 600 pound bars.

My EMPTY trailer tongue is about 555 pounds, but if I am loaded, and both my gray and black are nearly full, I will be right at 770 pounds. So i opted for 1000 pound bars., rather than 800 pound bars per recommendations. Sway control is still very active even at lighter tongue loads, and on my Blue OX I only have to move one chain link from light tongue to heavy tongue to correct tow vehicle sag.


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2017 ATC 7X20 Custom Toy Hauler
2013 R-Pod 177 (SOLD)
2013 VW Touareg TDI


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2018 at 12:21pm
No issues at all with the 600/6000 E2 on our 179 and Highlander. The Highlander is even unibody, so if any vehicle had a problem, ours would.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2018 at 12:58pm
Thanks. I will be ordering an Equalizer 600/6000 in the next few days.


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 10:07pm
Just had Heacock Trailers, the local hitch shop, install my new Equalizer 600/6000. WHAT A HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!!
Just driving it 13 miles home on both two lane roads and the freeway I can tell a big difference. No more bouncing when going over freeway bridges like before. I noticed with the standard ball hitch that the front of the trailer would sometimes
move the back of the truck side to side while on the freeway, like it was sashaying from side to side. That has stopped now with the new WDH. I was surprised when they weighed the tongue that it clocked in at 540 lbs!!! Wow!
Full propane tank, full water tank, and group 27 marine battery really add to the weight. (I tried to load the trailer up as if we were leaving on a trip, so that they could accurately access the weight distribution.)

The ONLY bummer is that one of the mechanics put a hole in the diamond plate (not very tough is it?) with one of the Equalizer side bars during installation. Matt, the owner, said he would order a new diamond plate from Forest River. and install it free because it was their fault. I have to bring the trailer up there again which is a pain. Brand new trailer and there is already a hole in the front!


Posted By: Billy Bob
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 10:09am
i have a brand new 190 and i also went with the 600/6000 hitch.....very good investment....the trailer pulls like a dream and very little sway if any.

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2019 RPOD 190
2017 Chev Colorado 4 X 4
Yellow Lab and English Springer Spaniel


Posted By: zen2b1
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 2:21pm
I was 'advised' by my RPOD retailer when I bought my 171, that due to it's light tongue and overall weight (2340 ?) I would only need a sway control arm...weight distribution would be useless at less that 5000 lbs (overall) and less that 500 (tongue weight).   I pulled it back from Oklahoma City to NM and it towed very easily..., However; I did notice some "groaning" noises coming out of the front steering or shocks...but the 4  runner was completely level....I am thinking an E2 (600/6000) would remedy this problem?  171 pulled by v6 4 runner.  on the border of needing wd hitch?  I think ToolManJohn may be right...


Posted By: OldNeumanntapr
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 3:10pm
Depending on how you set it up you can emphasize sway control over weight distribution.
I love my Equalizer!!!


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2018 at 3:15pm
zen2b1, what is the change in ride height for the front of your 4-runner with and without the pod attached?It may be "completely leveled", but still unloaded on the front axle. The only way you'll know for sure is by taking it to a weigh station or use your own scales to find out what the individual axle loading is with and without the trailer. OTOH, if it tows well, without sway, you may be fine.

We love our E2.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: zen2b1
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2018 at 4:56pm
thanks,  will do the measurements this weekend...sounds like I may get a better, solid towing response with an equalizer.  thanks.


Posted By: zen2b1
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 8:59am
Thanks for you posts...All.  I think ultimately I will need to quit guessing and measure and  weight the trailer and vehicle clearances... I have all winter to do that!Wink


Posted By: Woodmiester
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 12:07pm
Just installed the 600/6000 on my R-190.  Very happy towing with my Sport Trac.

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