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Topic: worthless refrigerator on propane
Posted By: Happy Tripping
Subject: worthless refrigerator on propane
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2018 at 9:48am
Just a general complaint - 

I am not a 'handyman', so when my refer doesn't work, I have to take it to the dealer. I have tried to take the flame-thingy apart but from previous adventures when I destroyed something, I can see it's beyond my skills.

So, ... Now, the refer  works well on electricity, propane stove works well, I don't hear a clicking sound of the refer when trying to light, but with my older ears, so what? and the refer just doesn't work on propane. Is there something simple, that may solve the problem, that I can do before taking the darned thing to the dealer?

I don't mind using a cooler for boondocking, actually, if everything is frozen to begin with, this works pretty well for 4 or even 5 days, but I would like to have a propane refer. 

The 'Bottom Line'? - I guess with the present level of technology, there is no practical alternative to the present tech used in refers(?), but after multiple episodes of seeing our dealer, I sure feel like this could be done better.

There, I feel better, thanks for listening.


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"There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he must take the bull by the tail and face the situation" - W.C. Fields



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Posted By: john in idaho
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2018 at 10:04am
Look  inside where the flame would be.  Make sure you don't have a spider web or wasp nest in there.
You might need a small flashlight.


Posted By: Outbound
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2018 at 5:11pm
I usually have to blow out the burner and the flue on the fridge with compressed air two or three times a year.  As John mentioned, there's usually a spider's nest stuck up in there; when its even partially clogged the fridge doesn't work well on propane.

That said, a fridge on propane is awesome while boondocking.


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Craig :: 2009 RP171 towed by a 2017 F150


Posted By: Leo B
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2018 at 5:26pm
+1 usually awesome on propane!!  

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Leo & Melissa Bachand
2017 Ford F150
2021 Vista Cruiser 19 csk
Previously owned
2015 Rpod 179
2010 Rpod 171


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2018 at 6:14pm
+2 we have used our refrigerator nearly all the time on propane.  Installed a screen over the vents to prevent larger spiders as well as bees and wasps out, this has made a huge difference in the area of a non working fridge for us.  Since doing that about 4 years ago, zero issues.

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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 10:03am
Just as a follow up - 

I used a small computer can of compressed air randomly inside the tubing, not really aiming it at anything in particular, and it worked! At least, I was very surprised. I wish all problems were so easy to fix. Now, I've put a thin nylon no see-um proof netting over the inside of the refer air intake on the side of the trailer to keep out bugs.

? Does the temperature behind that vent ever get hot enuf to make me worry about melting the nylon?

I don't think so, but I sure don't want to start a fire!


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 1:52pm
If it gets to hot back there.. 95-110F or somewhere abouts, a small fan or two come on to move the heat out.

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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2018 at 10:50am
I added two small fans to help move the heat out (mounted to top cover blowing outward). While they seem to work, the refrigerator still is not working well. When we first bought our R-Pod, the refrigerator worked great on propane. The longer I have it, the worse it is. I have cleaned the burner and flue this spring. I added screens to keep the bugs out. Unfortunately, the best I can get is about 40 degrees below ambient temperatures. When the outside temps hit 100 degrees F, I can't get the refrigerator cold enough to safely keep food, even with the freezer compartment door and floor removed so both cooling sections can be used for the refrigerator.

We are done with the southernmost part of our trip and are heading north now. I will see if it will work better as we get into more temperate conditions. In the meantime, I am glad I had purchased at our local Habitat for Humanity ReStore a Free Piston Sterling Cooler. It will keep things very near 4 degrees C (about 39F) even when temps are in the 90s. Around 100, it can't quite keep up, but below that, it works great. It also takes much less battery power doing so than the battery part of the Dometic refrigerator. I really would like to find something as efficient in a model that would be a drop-in replacement for the Dometic refrigerator. It would cut my ability to boondock for several days, but I would still probably be good for a couple of days before needing to recharge. More so if we got solar.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Subzilla
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2018 at 12:09pm
Stephen, check out the Danfoss compressor type fridges.  I don't have one....suppose to be much more efficient both at keeping the insides cool AND in power usage.  I just finished adding 2 more fans for a total of 4....2 at exhaust vents, 2 at intake.  Haven't tested them yet but eager to try.  Also added a aluminum baffle to totally direct all airflow straight to the condenser fins and a switch to manually turn them on.  There are a few rv fridge websites with "improvements" to be purchased.   Well let yall know how my tornado POD fridge works out.

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Mark
Concord, NC
2017 RP 179 "Podzilla"
2011 Silverado 1500 4X4


Posted By: pnwcamper
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 8:48am
There is also a jet that can be cleaned but it needs to be removed to do so. I have not done it personally but my service tech had to do it on my 2014 177 to get it to cool properly. My service tech mentioned 2014 Rpods - could be other model years as well - the that refrigerator was very temperamental.

I like the screen idea and will be doing that soon.

From what I understand spiders like the smell of propane which is why it seems to be a common issue.



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2014 R-Pod 177
2009 Toyota Tacoma Access Cab 4.0 V6


Posted By: cgarb
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 12:36pm
We had that problem and it turned out the refrig had just up and died. We had to have it replaced. Our repair person said that it is a common problem with the older model (ours is 2011) Dometic refrigs. The new one he put in works better - cools faster and no problems with it.

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Carol
177 HRE rpod
2014 Honda Pilot


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 3:43pm
What brand and model was installed?

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: cgarb
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 4:07pm
I don't know the model number. The manual has several model numbers on it. Not sure which is/was ours. I just know that both were/are Dometic. There isn't anything on the refrig itself either, much to my surprise.  The newer one is an improvement on the old one, according to our service guy. I think it is the only brand that would fit in the space in the pod. Sorry I don't have anything more specific for you.

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Carol
177 HRE rpod
2014 Honda Pilot


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 4:47pm
If it is Dometic, look inside where the crisper drawer is located (you may need to remove it). There should be a label there.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Ben Herman
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 7:17pm
Originally posted by StephenH

If it is Dometic, look inside where the crisper drawer is located (you may need to remove it). There should be a label there.

Stephenh - I'll look up the model info on mine tomorrow (have guests coming in a few minutes). Its a year old, works beautifully. No trouble getting very cold fridge temps w/propane even on #4 setting. 


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 8:53pm
I thought they surely must have a sticker or something "somewhere"...

However, I looked all around the front outside, inside, in the freezer compartment, under the freezer compartment, in the crisper. Nothing nada.

Then I popped off both of the vents on back, and checked all around in there too. Nothing.

There is a little label near the bottom with some safety information, but no model numbers.

Then I thought, how many 3.7 cu-ft 3-way refrigerators can they make?

I found one. Here it is:

Model RM8501 
US Item Name RM8501LFBP 
Model on label RM 8501 


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: cgarb
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 9:31pm
Hm. My post didn't seem to go through. I did find the info behind the crisper drawer. It was too hard for me to read so I took a picture of it. It is a Dometic, Type C40/110, Model number: RM 8551. Hope that helps. Good luck!

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Carol
177 HRE rpod
2014 Honda Pilot


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 9:37pm
I wonder what the difference is between the 8501 which is the model in mine and the 8551. 

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: cgarb
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 9:54pm
I wonder if it is the earlier model like we had to replace. The front of the owners manual lists the models it covers in 3 groups:  RM 8501 - RM 8505,   RM 8551-RM 8555 and RML 8551-RML 8555.
Maybe if you went to the Dometic site if you could compare them.


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Carol
177 HRE rpod
2014 Honda Pilot


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 10:08pm
Originally posted by StephenH

I wonder what the difference is between the 8501 which is the model in mine and the 8551. 
The difference is the depth (and capacity).

The 8501 and 8505 are 22.36 inches deep

The 8551 and 8555 are 24.52 inches deep

https://www.dometic.com/en-us/us/products/food-and-beverage/mobile-refrigeration/rv-boat-and-truck-refrigerators/dometic-8-series-refrigerator-_-31158 - https://www.dometic.com/en-us/us/products/food-and-beverage/mobile-refrigeration/rv-boat-and-truck-refrigerators/dometic-8-series-refrigerator-_-31158

I misspoke earlier. All four models are 32 inches tall. The differences are in the depth. I'm now thinking the lack of indicia is intentional. This allows them to switch around the different refrigerators with little or no consequence. How would we measure the depth without removing the fridge?


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 10:18pm
Thanks.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: cgarb
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2018 at 5:48am
We had a new refrig put in our 2011 177 about a year ago. It worked really well for a couple of trips then has been sitting for months. We used it as an extra refrig on holidays and it was fine. Now it won't work when plugged into the house. The temp only got down into the 50's yesterday after being plugged in for 24 hrs.  And of course we have it up for sale. What timing! Just got the water system working well! Any suggestions?

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Carol
177 HRE rpod
2014 Honda Pilot


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2018 at 8:04am
Did you move it and not level it? It needs to be at least close to level to work properly. You might also try tapping on the plumbing behind the refrigerator to see if something settled out and might be blocking the flow partially. Tapping on it might get things flowing well again. While you are at it, take a compressor and blow any dust out of the fins.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: cgarb
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2018 at 7:54pm
Now we are having trouble keeping our refrig in the safe temp range when plugged in. Should it get up to  50 degrees when it is on full power and empty?  It got up to  the mid 90s outside, but is down a bit and the pod is in the shade.  My husband checked and the vents are all clean and the pod is level. 

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Carol
177 HRE rpod
2014 Honda Pilot


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 10:34pm
Sorry to take so long to reply. An empty refrigerator will heat up easier since there is only air in there which does not transfer heat very well. If you have enough contents in there to buffer the temperature swings and it is getting up to 50 on shore power, then it might be a problem.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Ghosthawk
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 7:51am
I have seen several things posted on youtube about propane fridges.

The one that made the most sense had a couple of good points IMO.

A Anything which can be frozen ahead of time should be frozen.
B find a plastic bowl, tray which will hold a bag of ice. When you start the fridge, open the ice and put it on the lowest shelf.

C buy one of those small fans that runs on batterys. I think ours is a camco, Blue. Essentially a computer fan and a battery case with a switch. Circulates air.

D Empty fridge or freezer always takes the longest to come to temp.  Heck buy a case of cold beer and fill that puppy up! I bet within 6 hours she is stable and at proper temp.

E Close the door and leave it closed. Give it at least 6 hours to do its thing.
Its not a house fridge, it does not have endless power available.
Put it to work and leave it be to work in peace.


Posted By: cgarb
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 1:14pm
Thanks, everyone. We just sold the Rpod and the refrig is working well again. I have appreciated everyone's advice over the years!

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Carol
177 HRE rpod
2014 Honda Pilot


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 3:30pm
I use reusable freezer bags and place them in fridge day before camp starts, helps the fridge cool down.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 9:30pm
Carol, congrats on selling your pod.  I have noticed over the years that a lot of muffin fans are not working properly due to the incorrect placement of the bi-metal switch on the back of the fridge.  I have seen quite a number located too low to do any good; hence they rarely come on, that was our case as well.  By moving the switch to near the top of the coils, near the exhaust stack, the fans come on much sooner and stay on  longer resulting in a colder fridge temps. inside.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: seafans
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2018 at 8:25pm
Looks like about 60 deg. temperature drop on a 100 deg day is about typical for these small refers.  Even on shore power they do no better. I have seen small battery operated fans for the inside of the refer that move the air over the coils.  there is a small, looks like a computer case fan install below the coils when new.  I do not know when this fans come on?  During the summer no meats are put in the refer, we take along an ice chest for the and the wife has ice for her drinks.


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 8:35am
The Free Piston Sterling Cooler we got from our local Habitat for Humanity ReStore has worked very well for storing perishables. The refrigerator can then be used for things that need to be cool, but do not necessarily need to be kept below 40F.

That being said, I don't know if the change in propane regulators was the thing that did it. I cleaned the flue and the burner orifice also. On our recent trip, the refrigerator performed okay. I'm not sure why it started working better this trip after being inadequate on previous trips. Perhaps something was blocking the lines and it got knocked loose or some other reason, but I was seeing good temperatures overall with occasional higher temps if the door had been opened for longer than a few seconds. I still kept meats in the cooler though as it stays within one or two tenths of 4C (about 39F). This is a cooler used by the pharmaceutical industry to transport items. They were donated to ReStore and I was able to get it with an insulated bag and the 12 and 120V power cords (and transformer) for $100. It has been a great buy as new ones sell for many times more, especially if they are the type that can get down to freezing temperatures also.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 4:15pm
+1 comment to Jato post on moving the temp sensor switch. I also did move the temp switch. Before doing so I used a Fluke infrared temp sensor (they are good to have, not just for RV issues) to monitor temps along the cooling fin tube. The mounting provision on mine was 5 fins from the end of cooling line. I moved it to the right at the output of the cooling fins. With fridge running on shore power, an outside temp 90 degrees. The cooling line was at 136 degrees at provided mounting point. At the new mounted point, temp was 176 degrees. As soon as I moved it and connected the wiring the fan came on, it was not running before. For the short time I monitored fridge today, that seems to make a cooling improvement. Interestingly I only have one cooling fan, some have reported two. On mine it was NOT low it was left on the tube and I moved it right at end of cooling fins. I had already performed checks to ensure fan and switch were operational. Simple mod.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Keith-N-Dar
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 6:47pm
Anyone notice a page or so back the OP said his frige was working and he sold his pod?  Looks like a dead horse.

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Keith-N-Dar
Boris & Betty (Boston Terriers)
2011 R-Pod 177
2010 Ford F-150


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 8:55am
I did see that. Still seemed to be interest in post follow ons.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."



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