Inside screws
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Topic: Inside screws
Posted By: lgblau
Subject: Inside screws
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2018 at 8:19pm
Hi. Please tell me what kind of wood/ or what ever, kind of screws Forest River used in the interior of the 2017 R-Pod 179. I do not have a screw driver that will even come close to working. Thanks ------------- Leonard🌵 2017/179 2017 Ram 1500 |
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Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2018 at 8:41pm
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They are Robertson screws. Klein makes a great 9 or 11 in one screwdriver that comes with 2 sizes of Robertson bits. They are also commonly used for electrical work. And I think they are used more in Canada than in the US for some reason. You can pick up Klein tools at Home Depot or on Amazon. TT ------------- 2010 176 FJ Cruiser |
Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2018 at 10:03pm
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The reason they are used is that they can be torqued harder than a standard cross-tip (Phillips) screw without experiencing cam out. Plus, if the right size Robertson screwdriver is used, the screw holds on the driver pretty well for starting in tight places. The link below has a lot of fascinating information about the various screw head designs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives ------------- StephenH Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
Posted By: marwayne
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2018 at 10:42pm
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The reason Canadians use the square head screws, they are better than slot screws or phillips. Oh did I tell you it's a Canadian invention. ------------- If you want something done right, do it yourself. 2011 RP172, 2016 Tundra 5.7 Litre, Ltd. |
Posted By: lgblau
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2018 at 11:16pm
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Thanks Guys. Before posting I went to Ace Hardware. They had no idea what I was talking about. So, again thanks, and I’m off to Lowes in the morning. ------------- Leonard🌵 2017/179 2017 Ram 1500 |
Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 8:19am
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For southerners south of the border and not really in the know they are sometimes called square drives. The screws used by FR and many other companies are #2 Robertson but your hardware store may know them as #2 square drives. Some screws are actually a double square which looks very much like, and are often confused with, a Torx (sometimes called star) but the Robertson will still fit.
------------- Charlie Northern Colorado OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD |
Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 9:17am
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The article I linked stated that Robertson had an issue with a British firm that cost him a lot of money to get his design back so he then refused to license the screw head to anyone else. That kept them from widespread use even though they are a superior design to Phillips screws which were not so constrained.
------------- StephenH Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 9:40am
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Believe it or not, I'd never heard of the "Robertson" screw head. I've been using square drive screws for quite a while, I was just ignorant of the Robertson designation. As for superior screw heads, I've been partial to the Torx head for a while now. In any case, there are a number of designs that are superior for the generic Philips head screw. I think one of the main distinguishing features is that the sides are straight up and down as opposed to slanted. The straight sided heads are much less likely to torque out. ------------- bp 2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River 2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost |
Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 9:49am
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Agreed. Square is slightly tapered which helps the screwdriver to hold the screw. The article did not specify whether there is any taper to the Torx or Torx Plus but the screwdriver does seem to grip the screw also. I have had both cam-out but neither of them is as bad as Phillips in that regard. ------------- StephenH Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
Posted By: lgblau
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 12:39am
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I went to Lowes looking for a Robertson (square) screw driver. Lowes did not have one. Went to Home Depot and found exactly what I wanted. A number #1 with a common screwdriver handle. I brought a screw from my Pod to be sure of the fit. Problem solved. ------------- Leonard🌵 2017/179 2017 Ram 1500 |
Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 8:24am
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I use a set that uses a common handle and has various bits including square, hex, straight, and cross. These bits also fit a magnetic bit holder for my power drill/driver. It seemed to me to be a better solution than hunting for a single-purpose driver.
------------- StephenH Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 8:26am
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+1 - Lowe's has those. ------------- Mike Carter 2015 178 " I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability." |
Posted By: ParPod
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 8:33am
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I hope that works for you but if you find that it isn't working quite right you may have to move up to a Robertson #2 - which is the common size, or at least it is in Canada. Typically the #1's are slightly smaller and are used for electrical stuff and smaller screws. There is also a Robertson #3 which is more of a speciality head and is used for things like connecting power cord to the back of appliances like dryers. ------------- Bob&Margaret 2017 179 2016 Toyota 4Runner 2 sets of Golf Clubs |
Posted By: lgblau
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 10:06am
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My Lowes had the bits, but not as a screwdriver. Plus, you had to buy a package of 4 same size, or atool with many different style bits, all of which I already have. I do appreciate the knowledge, and help of the rpod-owners.com ------------- Leonard🌵 2017/179 2017 Ram 1500 |