A Delicate and Maybe Stinky Topic
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Topic: A Delicate and Maybe Stinky Topic
Posted By: lostagain
Subject: A Delicate and Maybe Stinky Topic
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 10:10pm
We are heading out to boon dock in early May where even pit toilets are not around. A friend who has Pod knockoff, said that he's thinking of using disposable toilet liners instead of flushing the #2 into the blackwater tank. Assuming that one only uses the blackwater tank for #1, its capacity will not be reached for a pretty long time, absent the consumption of extraordinary quantities of beer.
So my question: Has anyone tried these bags? What was the overall result? Would you do it again? Where can you get the bags (Amazon's are really expensive)?
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Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: henryv
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 5:28am
Are there any woods where you're going? What's Pod knockoff?
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 7:07am
So handle a baggy of poo and pee, multiple times a day/night.. to avoid.. what? Having to dump?
As far as capacity, we have been out for 10 days, black tank wasn't an issue. Fresh and grey are.
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Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 7:37am
Originally posted by lostagain
We are heading out to boon dock in early May where even pit toilets are not around.
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As an old tent camper, I have to ask, "What's the problem?" You're camping in the middle of nowhere. Great. 'Cat holes' and 'grease pits' have gotten the job done for many people over many years. If you have a family with personal privacy concerns, a fancier toilet using Boy Scout methods is fairly easy to rig, at least where trees are around. Perhaps you're in a place without trees? Out east or in the north, this is not a problem. That leaves only your fresh water tank to worry about.
I hope you enjoy your trip.
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Posted By: henryv
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 8:13am
I think that's part of boon docking. Getting back to nature and away from modern conveniences.
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 9:12am
When I was young and went camping in the Sierra Nevada mountains, you could drink from pretty much any stream or lake. Even lake Huntington, a big P.E.& E. reservoir was safe to drink. Over the years people pooped in the woods while camping and buried it in little. Now you are at risk of a number of diseases if you don't treat your drinking water no matter where you go. Cytosporidium, giardia, shigelia, norovirus, are just of few lovely bugs we've left behind in our poop. This is one of the reasons the folks at the U.S. Forest Service, the BLM, and the various park services tell people to "pack it out."
There are plenty of articles and discussions in cyberspace about the consequences of using little holes and such bury our droppings. There are unexpected consequences no matter how you dispose of your scat. Suffice it to say, all have adverse consequences on the environment and there isn't room her to review them all.
So, the issue for me is which is ickier: to deal with the solid waste at the pump out station and fight with paper clinging to the tank sensor giving a false alarm that the tank is full or to deal with the plastic bag liners that have to be stored somewhere for proper disposal later. And proper disposal later seems to be one of the complications. This is something that is a biological hazard and can't just be thrown in the trash. Garbage collectors don't like it when they encounter broken poop bags; disposable diapers are bad enough.
I think I'm leaning in favor of not bothering with the toilet liners.
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 9:39am
Panel lights, and sensors, are hokum. Ignore them, then you don't worry about if TP is stuck. When it quits going "sploosh" when you flush.. full.
Then dump. We have very very very rarely seen anyone fill a BT in normal use. You have to try pretty hard to poop and pee 30 gallons in a weekend.
By far.. and I mean FAR, more often, we see people who get a clog, usually in the "down tube" because they are trying to "save water and tank volume" by not using enough "liquids" with their "solids", when flushing.
Then we have to go through the whole "find stick, poke clog, flush with more water, burn stick, never mention again" speech..
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 10:25am
+1 Use of sufficient water to avoid the "pyramid of poo" is important. Use of a good biological tank treatment such as "TankTech's Rx" or "Happy Camper" or "Unique RV Digest-It" will help to liquify and make sure the wastes are able to be emptied. Even they are not foolproof on keeping the black tank sensor working properly. It does take a long time to fill the black tank. The gray tank will fill much faster, especially if you take showers in your R-Pod. Your fresh water tank will be empty long before you fill either tank.
I've wondered why there is a 30 gallon black tank instead of a 15 or 20 gallon. We have made whole multi-week trips without filling the black tank. 30 gallons seems to be overkill for the actual use.
------------- StephenH
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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 10:38am
For a weekend to fill the tank, you'd have to have a pretty bad case of giardia to fill the tank. But after two weeks, I guess it depends on whether you fill your fresh water tank without the opportunity to drain the waste tanks. Obviously, it's not possible to fill both wast tanks if you don't have a source of fresh water other than the 30 gallon fresh water tank and the few bottles of extra water you may bring along, and with boon docking, that's not likely.
My reluctance to fill the black water tank comes from a rather awful experience I had when I owned an Ericson 38 sailboat. The prior owner had plumbed in a holding tank that was a big neoprene bladder with compression fittings that connected the inlet and outlet hoses. I was staying on my boat and came down with a terrible case of the flue. There was not an orifice in my body that was not draining some horrible substance. After using the head for the "13th" time, as I was pumping its contents into the holding tank, one of the hose fittings came off and I had a flood of black water suddenly overfill the bilge and onto the cabin floor. While running a fever of a 104 and trying to control the effects flu, I had to clean up the mess, and repair the holding tank. It wasn't a very fun experience. Thus, dealing with malfunctioning black water tanks is not one of my preferred activities.
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 11:04am
I know some people who dump their dishwater down the toilet to delay the gray water tank filling up...and they still have plenty of capacity for excretions.
I'd bet that "R-Pod knockoff" has a tiny holding tank. I was camped next to a friend with a Jayco not much bigger than our 179. Over the course of a week, he had to empty his black tank into a portable dump tank and take it over to the dump station because the black tank was so small. I looked at several small campers before deciding on the R-Pod, and one of the main factors in choosing the R-Pod was the ample holding tanks.
------------- Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 11:09am
Originally posted by TheBum
I know some people who dump their dishwater down the toilet to delay the gray water tank filling up...and they still have plenty of capacity for excretions.
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We have done this when trying to eek out a solid 7 days off grid. Only shower water found it's way into the grey tank.. In fact we still do it this way in the new camper which has 45 gallon tanks across the board. We almost bought a different floor plan, partly based on it's 90 (ninety) gallon grey tank setup.. woot that's a lot of showering..
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Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 11:16am
Originally posted by lostagain
When I was young and went camping in the Sierra Nevada mountains, you could drink from pretty much any stream or lake. |
Giardia from beavers wasn't around whjen you were young? Obviously, wild animals also carry a long list of scary organisms.
"The solution to pollution is dilution"
If I am camping away from other people, am away from the edge of a stream or lake, and bury my waste, NO problems will arise before the waste degrades into harmless humus. Granted, in the arid west, the process will be slower, and the density of other campers is quite important, we're talking about real boondocking here.
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 11:42am
The problem with burying your waste these days is we don't really know what the levels of concentration of pathogens is in any given area and whether we are creating a problem in contributing to that concentration. Clearly, when we are out in the middle of the Amazon basin, where there is one person per square Km, in a highly digestive landscape, dropping a load probably isn't going to be an issue. But we don't have too many areas like that in North America.
There are people who study pathogen concentrations in the places we go camping and my preference is to follow their advice. These are good hard working folks who are trying to protect us and our environment and I appreciate and respect their work. If they say "pack it out" then I will do it.
As for pathogens, yes, concentration is an important factor in getting an infection. For most people with healthy immune systems, we can defend ourselves against limited contact with most pathogens. Indeed, it may well have a beneficial effect to have that contact, kind of like doing push-ups for the immune defenses. On the other hand, consuming pathogens, whether from beaver poop or from the guy trekking along the Appalachian trail, in sufficient concentrations may make you wish you hadn't. The problem is, unless we've done an assay on pathogenic concentration, we don't know if there is sufficient dilution.
So moral of the story, don't mess with mice in the forest because they can carry fleas that have bacterium Yersinia pestis.
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: Dpod56
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 1:19pm
Hi lostagain, To answer your question about the poo bags, yes we have them , and yes, they work great. I have purchased the Cleanwaste brand from REI. They aren’t cheap, but we use them sparingly. The cost is $34.00,for 12 bags. Our adult kids use them in their portable toilets, in their pop up campers, for the little ones. It’s a lot easier than running to the campground bathroom in the middle of the night, and they don’t have to mess with any chemicals. We’ve used them in the R-pod as well, especially if we’re only staying one night someplace. They are easy to use. Hope this helps.
------------- Dpod56
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 1:33pm
Yes, thanks, Dpod. I have come to the conclusion that they could be especially helpful when we take our Pod out for short trips when it is winterized and are not using the plumbing system. The cost is considerable so I'd think it would be something that would only be used very sparingly.
Otherwise, I might try to convince my wife that it's really fun to drain the waste water tanks while I wait in the truck. [Joke disclaimer: This is only a joke. I would not really do such a mean thing to my lovely wife. If I tried, I'd be sleeping in our Pod with no heat {another joke}. One does not mess with Colombianas {not a joke}.]
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 1:40pm
Don't fear the dump station. Everyone poops, and everyone goes to the dump station for the first time.
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 1:59pm
Oh, Fur, I have been to many dump stations. What I really don't like is when the big drain hose slips out. I bought a nice new ell fitting and other stuff to make it easier, but is still is a bi*ch when you're washing stuff off with the hose and splash yourself in the face. 😎
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by TheBum
I know some people who dump their dishwater down the toilet to delay the gray water tank filling up...and they still have plenty of capacity for excretions.
I'd bet that "R-Pod knockoff" has a tiny holding tank. I was camped next to a friend with a Jayco not much bigger than our 179. Over the course of a week, he had to empty his black tank into a portable dump tank and take it over to the dump station because the black tank was so small. I looked at several small campers before deciding on the R-Pod, and one of the main factors in choosing the R-Pod was the ample holding tanks. |
Good point! Thanks.
------------- StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...
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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by lostagain
Oh, Fur, I have been to many dump stations. What I really don't like is when the big drain hose slips out. I bought a nice new ell fitting and other stuff to make it easier, but is still is a bi*ch when you're washing stuff off with the hose and splash yourself in the face. 😎 |
I am happy.. in fact, damn happy, to say that in 12 years of TTing, a hundred plus trips to a dump station, and/or dumping at home.. I have, as of yet, not worn any. I would have to turn around, go back to the CG and shower. twice. maybe thrice. 
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 2:49pm
At the Dayton, NV state campground, we're luck to have flush toilets and a pump out station. And we NV residents get to pay half price. But showers, we don't have enough extra water for that sort of thing. Once every couple weeks was all the miners ever needed when they came out of the 125º F mines. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for all.
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by lostagain
At the Dayton, NV state campground, we're luck to have flush toilets and a pump out station. And we NV residents get to pay half price. But showers, we don't have enough extra water for that sort of thing. Once every couple weeks was all the miners ever needed when they came out of the 125º F mines. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for all. |
No.. just no.. LOL.
I HAD to go a couple months, a few different times, in a desert without a shower. While working hard, in a tank. We own campers just so I never have to do that again. LOL. and a/c.. We have a 100 gallon bladder for the truck bed, and a sewer tote. So as long as we can reach a supply point, and a dump station, we could stay out forever.
My wife laughs, but she understands, on any given day, at some random time, I may just get up, and go take a shower, regardless of if I have been splitting wood or working on a tractor or just watching a movie. Because I can.
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Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 3:28pm
You've never had to wash diapers (yes the old cloth ones) while limited to 280 gallons of water a day due to a drought. Showers, especially long ones, have become a luxury out west. Maybe we need to build a giant pipeline to siphon off water from the Mississippi a little south of Paducah. You'd hardly miss it and the Mississippi at New Orleans could look just like the Colorado where it enters México. They'd have no more floods!
------------- Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 3:36pm
well I did have to wash diapers, or at least help with them.. and Cali wasn't in a drought then, but fresh water has always been a bit of an issue there, esp when we lived up at Truckee. My parents moved us to the valley floor/delta area when I was in the 5th grade.. water wasn't a BIG issue then, but was talked about.. now it certainly is.
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Posted By: Andy
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 4:04pm
My families motto has always been "no solids in the toilet" whether sailing or trailering. To that end we use a product called "Go anywhere toilet kit" that can be found on line. They come with a bag that seals and fits under the open ring of the toilet seat. I would not recommend using the toilet paper that comes with it though. You can and we have on occasion made a couple of consecutive dumps before discarding.
------------- 2017 179
2016 Silverado Z71
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 4:21pm
Now to me, that would be a lot more gross than dealing with the black water tank.
------------- StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...
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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS
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