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Topic: Pet Peeve - pun intended
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Pet Peeve - pun intended
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2010 at 7:42am

Over the years it seems that an increasing number of facilities are becomming less and less "pet friendly".  Frankly, I don't blame them!  A certain number of campers seem to feel that confining their pets applies to "everybody else".  This, dispite the fact, that I have yet to stay in a campground that did not have a rule requiring so (usually a 6' leash).

Here is how I restrain Dixie:
 
 
In the picture, she looks close to the road, but is actually about 4' away (the ground is sloping down sharply from the road).  While hard to see, there is a plastic coated steel cable (red) on the end of her 6' leash, which is tied to a picnic table (there were 2).  She could get no closer than 4' to the road and was confined to my campsite only.  I have 2 such cables (a 10' and a 20') and along with her leash, can adjust to make sure she stays within the campsite.  I have not once had any problems with individuals or Park Rangers using this set up.  Yes, it is against the rules (6'leash), but it seems as long as she/we are not causing problems, nothing is said.  I was also at a campsite at the end of a dead end road to nowhere, so I gave her a little more "leash" than usual.  (The road actually endeda few feet behind me)
 
Let me relate the following....during this same camping trip, campers across and down the road a couple of sites, were not restraining their dog.  It was a large older dog and seemed to be well behaved and friendly.  Another camper, with 2 Yorkies, came walking by - just out for a stroll and exercise.  Curiosity got the better of the older dog and he came out onto the road, scared the Yorkies (much yapping and leash pulling) and scared/angered the owner.  Words were exchanged.  "My dog ain't hurt'en nobody"
 
True - nobody was physically injured in the encounter.  However, it made for a scary, unpleasant situation for the Yorkies and their owner.  I have given up on walking my pet thru the campgrounds.  More times than not, somebody's dog charges out of a campsite and challenges us.  While Dixie, being a young German Shepherd, could likely hold her own in any altercation, still she might get injured and the whole situation is unpleasant and doesn't need to happen. 
 
The rules are there for a reason -to make camping a happy experience for everyone.  If we all use a little common sense and not cause problems, we can all enjoy it much better.  Those who do not confine their pets are going to ruin it for all - pets will be banned.



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Posted By: Brin
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2010 at 3:57pm
We also restrain our dog in a similar manner and do not leave her tied out unattended at all.   I have not had problems with her in a camping situation but since she can be dog aggressive in some situations (when she feels threatened by other dogs in close proximity) it is always in my mind that she must be under my control at all times.   As she is a stafforshire bull terrier (but very petite at 45lbs) we have encountered parks that state "no aggressive breeds" and have elected to not test their rules.   It is unfortunate that others have caused them to need these rules.  My dog is extremely friendly and submissive to people and I try to keep her out of situations that she may feel threatened by other dogs as this has contributed to a well deserved fear on her part (she has been attacked previously).   We often like to hike with her and have never had problems on a trail with her with dogs passing us by (we always step off the trail and make her sit stay to allow others to pass) but have had problems with others with loose dogs that approach.    I have to say that it is often the dogs that owners cannot seem to control well either on or off lead that give us the most problems.  The dogs are in control/not the owners.   As a professional in the animal field, I recognize that we cannot predict our pet's behaviors in all situations and need to assure that everyone is going to be safe.   At one of our last parks, the park host seemed surprised that we picked up after her--so I guess that is unusual for the average pet owner.    I am not really surprised at this as people often have no control over their children much less their pets.     I still find that I like my dog better than most people that I have met. 

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Terri and Craig and Panzer
2009 - 175 RPod
2000 Ford F250 XLT Extended Cab Diesel


Posted By: Brin
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2010 at 4:13pm
 
 
This is Panzer.   She loves the Rpod and would rather sleep in it in the evening than sit around the campfire.    At this site we were boondocking by ourselves in a field. 


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Terri and Craig and Panzer
2009 - 175 RPod
2000 Ford F250 XLT Extended Cab Diesel


Posted By: TerryM
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2010 at 7:56pm
I have seen dogs that can reach as far as 1/2 way across the road.  These are the type of people that was mentioned above.  The rules are for "those stupid people, not me". 

Then there are the people that leave Precious in their RV for the day while they go running around.  So the dog starts barking and never stops.  Both of these situations can just plain kill a good weekend.

Terry


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RP-175 W/Lift Kit 2011 Ford F-150 4X4
Saint Augustine, FL: The first permanent European settlement in the USA: 1565


Posted By: sylviablue
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2010 at 12:04pm
Agree with all of the above!  We have a wonderful good natured dog but would not let him run free in a campground.  Dangerous for him if nothing else. 
We always pick up after our dog unless we're out in the woods somewhere.  
A constantly yapping dog can make life miserable and I feel bad for the dog at the same time.



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four peas


Posted By: jjbescher
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2010 at 8:21am
We use an ex-pen to keep our dogs next to our rpod.  It takes a little bit to set-up and take down, but gives them the freedom to roam around.  It has taken a couple of tries to get it to the point where the dogs can not escape(my little one is an escape artist, I even had to made mods to the tent end of my camper to keep her in).  I will still be modifying my set-up to make sure they stay in.  When we leave, they either go with us or in the camper.  The longest they are in the camper by themselves is when we go to dinner.

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'10 R-pod 173T. TV - '03 Honda Pilot


Posted By: mountain mist
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2010 at 8:38am
For the most part I have found that campers are really the greatest people AND also most of the time they come with some animal or the other. They just seem to be that kind of people.
When we have left our Schnauzer/s behind, it was in a coach, with ac on and All the windows covered. Unless someone knocked on the door or another dog barked (the first dog barks and all the other dogs bark at THAT dog!) all was quiet on the home front.  We tested it often by driving off and coming right back , but not checking in. Just sat in the car for a while. Then opened up and gave her an "attagirl" and treat. Also, I am a friendly sort and spoke with a nearby camper, telling them we were leaving and if the dog barked ( and fitting in with the above reasons) for other reasons that I needed to know and would plan differently. We have a friend who had a Scottie that found out she could stand with her feet on the horn and when she barked the horn would blow. Since all of us were not gone long(and might have seemed long to everyone else), just leaving campground and going home to shower and pick up mail, the campers were rolling around laughing! Give an animal a tool!


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'11 Forest River r.pod 171
'10 Ford Edge
ESCAPE POD
Trudi and Austin mini-schnauzers
change here, Trudi has gone, Austin now has a small black schnauzer buddy, Bentley


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2010 at 4:28pm
I got a good chuckle out of that mental image - the dog with front paws on the horn, barking and blowing the horn with every bounce.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: bc matell
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 5:04pm
We always take our Lab ,all 86 pounds with us if we leave the campsite. When we are in camp she is on a 20 foot lead. She does bark at people walking by but only a few warning barks. We DO pick up after her. Nothing makes me madder than dog people who don't!

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TV 2012 Toyota Tacoma 6 cyl
Misha the Lab
Loving life and living it!


Posted By: coopercdrkey
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 5:53pm
One of the things that drew us to RV-ing was the opportunity to take the Campin' Cocker Spaniels with
us.  They are never left alone.  They bark if someone enters our site, until we assess the situation, then
they are hushed if there is no problem.  They are walked numerous times per day, and always picked up
after.  (There's a sentence ending in two prepositions!)

Once, while walking them on a leash, we passed a site that had two Lhasa Apsos running free.  They
basically assaulted Jennifer and Baxter, and the only reason they weren't eaten is that the spaniels were
caught entirely by surprise.  (I call them "Laughing A$$holes", and they looked like a pair of angry bedroom
slippers....)

I'll be very happy to control my pack.  You have to control yours!


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Bob and Joyce
Jennifer and Baxter, the Campin' Cocker Spaniels
RP 177 "Key Pod"
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 LT / Z71


Posted By: mountain mist
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 8:43am
have not checked in for some time. was good to hear from people with Pods. still same rules for me when it comes to my dogs. I have the same (13 yr.oldnow ) and a new one , 9 months. Young one has been on one camping trip, still not sure if he likes it since it rained much of the time and was in November( not too sure I liked it either!). only 2 camping trips out last year due to other things taking away the time. hope to do better this year or I will be selling my Pod. Husband did ask if we can advertised on this site to sell. I am not sure just where to put it, since I am not greatly in the mood to do so, wanting to give it another try. But if I can be directed to the proper place to put a "for sale" then I will know when the time comes.

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'11 Forest River r.pod 171
'10 Ford Edge
ESCAPE POD
Trudi and Austin mini-schnauzers
change here, Trudi has gone, Austin now has a small black schnauzer buddy, Bentley


Posted By: P&M
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 9:30am
Originally posted by mountain mist

have not checked in for some time. was good to hear from people with Pods. still same rules for me when it comes to my dogs. I have the same (13 yr.oldnow ) and a new one , 9 months. Young one has been on one camping trip, still not sure if he likes it since it rained much of the time and was in November( not too sure I liked it either!). only 2 camping trips out last year due to other things taking away the time. hope to do better this year or I will be selling my Pod. Husband did ask if we can advertised on this site to sell. I am not sure just where to put it, since I am not greatly in the mood to do so, wanting to give it another try. But if I can be directed to the proper place to put a "for sale" then I will know when the time comes.
 
Mountain Mist, there is a "Campers Fleamarket" section that is right underneath the "Camping with Pets" section in the directory here ... that is where everyone has been posting their Pods for sale at.


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P & M ... and Comet too!
2012 171 -- The Monkey Pod
2018 Ram 2500


Posted By: mountain mist
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 6:36pm
thank you P&M

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'11 Forest River r.pod 171
'10 Ford Edge
ESCAPE POD
Trudi and Austin mini-schnauzers
change here, Trudi has gone, Austin now has a small black schnauzer buddy, Bentley


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 12:32pm
Hope not to see you sell, but if you do you are still welcome to hang out here. 

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: GlobeTrotter
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2014 at 10:02pm
Enjoying the discussion.   We have two Goldens who love to travel.  We have always had them on a leash or short cable when they are outside.  AND we do not leave them outside alone even if restrained.  However, we have had great success with an invisible electric fence at our home and purchased a "rock" invisible fence for camping.   A wire is connected to the energized rock and you string it out in the area you want to restrain your dog.  We have not used it yet.  Has anyone used such a device and if so, how effective is it?  

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Podding from Montana and loving it!


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2014 at 12:20am
I don't much care whether people follow the letter of the law (rules) regarding pets, but I want them to follow their spirit. If the rules say dogs need to be on a leash no longer than 6 feet, if you can keep your dog out of everyone's way in your campground with a 20 lead, I don't care.  If you don't pick up after your dog in the woods totally off the path, I don't care.  If you dog poops anywhere near my camping spot and I see you, we're likely to have a little conversation.

I've always had dogs, usually more than one at a time.  While we had two we opted to board them when we camped.  We were also camping in a tent at the time and really didn't have room for dogs in the car or tent.  We're down to one little dog now, a Jack Russell, and have the pod.  She's a great traveling companion and after a few trips with her I can't imagine not taking her now wherever we go.

I pick up after her, and she goes with us when we leave the campground.

I'm kind of stickler for campground rules.  We purposely camp at off-times, like going to the Smokies in January.  Even when we are the only ones in the campground we pretty much follow the rules.  (I've been known to run the generator all night when a tree wouldn't even make a sound when it fell though, but I figure the rules are mostly about respecting each others' peace and quiet anyway.)  It bothers me that many National Parks don't seem to have the budget for rangers or campground hosts who, if they exist at all, do anything about even flagrant rules violations, about pets, kids, or anything else.  I swear, you could get away with murder as long as you don't leave the body where someone will have to step over it, and sometimes even then.

Most campers are good people who do respect each others' peace and quiet, but there are some who are out for their own good time regardless of those around them, and there are some newbies who obviously don't know what's expected.  Pets are one of the easiest ways to annoy other people, but certainly not the only way!

We've been to Big Bend a couple of times and the same campground host was there both times at Chisos Basin.  He was exceptional.  He'd walk slowly through the campground at least twice a day, help people get set up, talk to those who wanted to talk or ask questions, and he talked to the people who needed talking to.  Everyone who didn't already know or care about the rules got polite little lessons.  It made the whole experience better for everyone I think.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 5:48am
Originally posted by Brin

  I still find that I like my dog better than most people that I have met. 


I have a saying-  Dogs are the best people ever!

It is a pain traveling with dogs, especially in hot weather and the need to leave them in the car.
I designed and installed a system in both my tow vehicles where I can leave the vehicle running with the AC on, yet the key is not in it and it can't be driven if someone was bold/stupid enough to break in and try with with 2 50lb+ dogs in it.  I even have a sign I place on the dash with my cell number if there are any concerns about the dogs in the running truck.    Even so we never do this even for as much as one hour, usually to grab a lunch or something.
We also leave a handheld 2 way radio inside with the VOX on so if the dogs bark it keys the radio and we hear it.  Had some funny looks when dog barking suddenly started coming from the radio on my hipLOL

My wife was once livid when she came out of a Walmart to find an asian lady tapping on our truck window while our dogs were going berserk at her.  She wanted her child, who she was holding up to the truck window,  to see American dogs that were in our truck. Cry



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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: mountain mist
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 7:56am
My Pod is sold, last month, alas. Alas for me, I am going to MISS camping, but good to have sold and to someone who REALLY wanted it, was pleased with the condition it was in, Happy Camping to them. suggested this site to them. One big family.
BUT , remarking on this about dogs. Good for you to have found a way for your dogs to go but be left in car. we always had dogs in the motorcoaches, anytime stopped(as to eat out on the road) we left the ac on for them. Would be interested (as a non-mechanical person) how you did the set up if I should find myself needing to use it. Note one of your dogs is a Labradoddle, son has one, just eat you up with kisses!
But the woman, tapping on the window to see AMERICAN dogs, LOL , how different are Asian dogs?
If we have our dog/dogs with us on a road trip, we have the worse diet of drive in food so as NOT, EVER, leave in car. Only in cold weather do we leave and then they have piles of blankets to cuddle in.
On my Facebook there is picture of smashed car window with the caption" this is what you will see if you have left an animal in the car on a hot day". In truth, call the police, stay with the car and file a complaint on the person with the car. of course, same goes for some nut head who has left a child in the car.

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'11 Forest River r.pod 171
'10 Ford Edge
ESCAPE POD
Trudi and Austin mini-schnauzers
change here, Trudi has gone, Austin now has a small black schnauzer buddy, Bentley


Posted By: mountain mist
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 7:58am
PS
My little schnauzer, Trudi, lived for 14 good years. She left us in February, waiting for me at Rainbow Bridge.

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'11 Forest River r.pod 171
'10 Ford Edge
ESCAPE POD
Trudi and Austin mini-schnauzers
change here, Trudi has gone, Austin now has a small black schnauzer buddy, Bentley


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 9:44am
Congrats on finding a good buyer, MM.  Maybe you can still get some camping in by renting a campground cabin?

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: mountain mist
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 9:51am
I plan to go over to Four Paws Kingdom and rent a camper with the dog. Soon as I get the house back in order

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'11 Forest River r.pod 171
'10 Ford Edge
ESCAPE POD
Trudi and Austin mini-schnauzers
change here, Trudi has gone, Austin now has a small black schnauzer buddy, Bentley


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 8:06pm
Originally posted by mountain mist

Good for you to have found a way for your dogs to go but be left in car. we always had dogs in the motorcoaches, anytime stopped(as to eat out on the road) we left the ac on for them. Would be interested (as a non-mechanical person) how you did the set up if I should find myself needing to use it.


The system I devised is rather complicated and depends on the vehicle.   On my 96 diesel it required quite a bank of relays.  On my 11 Toyota it was simpler, but one has to be very cautious tapping into wiring on late model vehicles, it would easy to blow a $1000+ computer.




 
Originally posted by mountain mist

Note one of your dogs is a Labradoddle, son has one, just eat you up with kisses!

That sure is true! Ours is a hoot...he loves to watch me working on things, its like he is thinking- hey I could do that if I had thumbs!   He also loves to catch me with both hands occupied, laying on the ground under some trailer and give me a good ear lickingLOL


Originally posted by mountain mist

But the woman, tapping on the window to see AMERICAN dogs, LOL , how different are Asian dogs?


We were very puzzled by this woman's strange behavior, her and her husband had apparently just arrived in the US, no idea where from but dogs must have been a rarity.  She spoke very little English and seemed unconcerned we were so upset at her.  The dogs scratched the heck out of the plastic interior door trim trying to get at her as she antagonized themAngry
I am horrified to think what might have happened if the window had broken!








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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: Leo B
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 8:35pm
Another case for pepper spray?

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Leo & Melissa Bachand
2017 Ford F150
2021 Vista Cruiser 19 csk
Previously owned
2015 Rpod 179
2010 Rpod 171


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 9:21pm
For her or the dogs?

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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: Leo B
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2014 at 6:36am
Seems to me the dogs weren't bothering anyone and were just vegging. She needed to understand her behavior was unacceptableBig smile

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Leo & Melissa Bachand
2017 Ford F150
2021 Vista Cruiser 19 csk
Previously owned
2015 Rpod 179
2010 Rpod 171


Posted By: mountain mist
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2014 at 9:36am
mentioned this to my roofer yesterday. he has a Yorkie who is Boss. goes everyplace with him.
the cars with punched in code is how he does it. leaves it running, locks up with ac on for little one. never to far from it, since he is boss man , doing none of the actual work on roofs now.
I still get to wondering if someone could make off with the car in some way. Darn hackers are into everything
if lady was new to US she just did not think. They may eat their dogs. I KNOW that may not nice thing to say, but we live and think differently here. I may get a load down on my head for having said this., but different countries have different outlook. After all we eat cows... India, maybe not.
But my blonde, chocolate brown huge eyed Labradoodle grand daughter dog is sooo funny and that tail is a table cleaner.

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'11 Forest River r.pod 171
'10 Ford Edge
ESCAPE POD
Trudi and Austin mini-schnauzers
change here, Trudi has gone, Austin now has a small black schnauzer buddy, Bentley


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2014 at 1:46pm
If a vehicle already has remote start capability it would be fairly easy to hack a remote with some additional electronics, to "push" the start button after it senses the vehicle has shut down (since most remote start systems will only stay on for 10-15 minutes). 
 
Downsides are the need for a dedicated remote, and it would add some additional start cycles to the starter and engine.  Not something you would want to use for hours at a time UNLESS the vehicle was a hybrid OR one of the newer non-hybrid models which shuts off at traffic lights.  Both types are designed for tens of thousands of extra starting cycles.  I could keep the A/C running for days on one tank of gas in my Prius.
 
The advantage would be very little additional circuitry needed and almost no change to the vehicle other than tapping +12, ground, and an accessory wire that you've tested goes low when the engine shuts off.  Probably just a standard accessory tap would work but you may have to go as far as tapping the power to the ignition system to be sure.  The core design would be the same for any vehicle.
 
You could take it a step further for safety and add a temperature probe and some additional circuitry that will sound the car horn if it gets too hot in the car.  That would add one more tap for the car horn.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2014 at 2:04pm
It just occured to me that you could go a different route, which would work with any car/truck, and would be even easier to figure out.  Start the vehicle with the key, leaving it in the ignition (or for newer cars with keyless ignitions, take it with you).  Additional circuitry needed would only need to tap the overhead light circuit, brake light circuit, maybe even add a wire you could tightly weave through the steering wheel so if it is turned it would unplug.  Any of these things are triggered, kill the ignition system and sound the horn.  Add to the big sign on the driver's window "vehicle will shut off if entered", and add a steering wheel lock (I know they can be easily defeated, just have it for visual impact).  That design would be very simple, and again most of it would be universal for any vehicle.
 
The big caveat to any of these designs, including Budward's, is many jurisdictions have fines for leaving a vehicle on but unattended.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2014 at 4:46pm
Does a running parked vehicle have to attended by humans?LOL

The Toyota was much easier to rig up than the diesel pickup*, only needed one relay to bridge the run power into and out of the ignition switch.  There is also a switch that picks up the brake pedal being pushed, which would be necessary to attempt to get the transmission out of park,  and shuts  the vehicle down.  You can't re-engage it without the key.
Speaking of over temp-  I forgot I also found a talking thermometer with a temperature alarm setpoint-  it is placed to activate the VOX on the 2 ways and lets us know if the cooling failed or was inadequate.   I found it at Radio Shack several years ago, just checked, they no longer sell it.

*The diesel pickup system started as a turbo cool down timer-  IOW when exhaust gas temp is high but I want shut off and leave the vehicle- I activate the timer, it runs the engine for a few minutes then shuts down- again the vehicle can't driven in this mode.  Transmission locked in park, steering wheel locked etc..  After making all that work it occured to me it could be used as a dog cooler too!

Man- the stuff we go through for our beloved petsBig smile


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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: mountain mist
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2014 at 10:00am
OK... reading all this tells me to go back to square one. Don't leave any critter in car ( our Winters don't get cold enough that several blankets to snuggle in won't do) in heat. Looks to me back to fast food if on road with animals, besides they always want a bite if they are hanging out over your head while you eat.

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'11 Forest River r.pod 171
'10 Ford Edge
ESCAPE POD
Trudi and Austin mini-schnauzers
change here, Trudi has gone, Austin now has a small black schnauzer buddy, Bentley


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2014 at 1:22pm
Definitely the easier solution, MM.  Cool

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual



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