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Topic: Generators
Posted By: Woody.1
Subject: Generators
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 11:58am
Hey Gang,
New to the r pod and TT. Just picked up new 178 a week ago. 
I need generator help - we will be doing quite a bit of camping off grid and I'm wondering what size generator everyone is using?  I have solar on unit, but still would like to use the microwave and AC along with the outlets in pod. I've been looking at the Champion Dual Fuel 3500 watt. Seems like a good bang for the buck. Any experience with this model?
Also looking very seriously at the Champion Dual Fuel 3800. The cost of this one is around $600.00, but I'm not too sure if it will be too loud. Any thoughts are welcome.



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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 12:26pm
I've read good things about the Predator 3500 inverter generator at Harbor Freight. If I were looking for a generator, I would probably go with that one.

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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 1:34pm
First I would recommend an inverter genny. They are quieter, and more stable. A 3500 watt is about 125 pounds. I recently bought 2 honda 2000 watt gennys. At 46 pounds each, much easier to move around. At 4000 watts, I almost get a full 30 Amps. They are quiet, and run a long time on eco mode. If you want a/c you need both. Almost anything else you can use 1. I've only logged a few hours on each just to try them out more than anything, but, they are highly recommended by most people that use gennys. It's a bit more expensive, but everyone doesn't recommend them just because they cost more.

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 4:08pm
Boondocking has the plus of limited noise issues. Not like a campground. I can run my AC with a IX Generac 2000, with the converter CB off. I can charge the battery with the AC off. I can charge battery with AC off and use microwave. I can't run the AC, microwave and charging circuit on a single 2000 watt inverter gen. SO if you want everything, 3500 -4000 is the answer, lot of folks go with the Mjilrod solution.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Olddawgsrule
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 4:45pm
Woody, I'll take the risk here of my Humble Opinion.

I don't see the need yet.. But I know my usage and fitted up with batteries accordingly.

Now, if you do see the need for a generator, I do not see a need for a 'inverter' generator. "Unless" you're going to run your appliances direct from the generator.

Without getting too deep into this.. If all you're looking for is a generator to plug into you TT, no need for a investor generator and the costs. The onboard system (inverter) does what you need (inverts).

It's a square wave, syne wave thing.. The R-Pod's onboard system converts to Syne. No need to double up for the costs involved. 

The Harbor Freight suggestion is quite a uni. 1/3 the cost and far beyond the output of the 'inverter' units.

Comes down to: How you going to use? Direct or into the TT system?

Me, without sun, I figure 6days on my usage. With sun, hopefully much , much more.

Again, just MHO!


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Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 5:29pm
At the risk of inserting my HO, I feel the need to correct a few things. The RPOD onboard system is a converter, not an inverter. It converts alternating  current (AC) to direct current (DC). It charges the battery and runs things like lights, pump and fans.  It does not run things requiring AC like the microwave and air conditioner. The main advantage of inverter generators is they are usually much quieter and run at lower speed with lighter load. Saves gas and unhappy neighbors. The waveform from cheap generators is pretty dirty; lots of spikes and noise. the battery and lights don't care but electronics do. If you are buying a generator unless you only camp miles from other campers and don't use any electronics the advantage of a good inverter model is well worth the extra cost. 

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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 5:49pm
Yep, +1.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 6:25pm
+2 or 3 on CharlieM.  There is no inverter on the RPod.  You can't run the AC or microwave unless you have 120v AC from shore power or a generator. 

It's hard to find a generator under 3500 watts that isn't an inverter generator, and for the application under discussion is the way to go.

If you are going to camp anywhere near your generator or you may have neighbors nearby, look at the dB rating.  Hondas and Yamahas cost more but have a reputation for reliability and low noise levels.  There is another brand, maybe Champion, that has a quiet model.  Quiet is worth looking for, and, in my opinion, paying a premium for.

The other big consideration is weight and size.  Two 2000 watt generators are a lot to carry around.  If you have the room, great.  A 3500 watt generator is a whole lot of weight to move around.

The Yamaha 2400ishc runs my air and the microwave -- but not at the same time.  (Never been a problem.)  It's one of the quietest around.  It's roughly twice the cost of that Champion you mentioned though.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: Keith-N-Dar
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 7:56am
This comes up frequently.  It comes down to Honda vs the world.  I have a champion 4000 watt generator that runs more than 8 hours on a tank of gas, the output is as clean as house power (sine wave no garbage I looked at it on an oscilloscope) is relatively quiet, and cost a fraction of the cost of Honda units.  My wife and I can lift it into and out of the bed of my pickup.  It has been 100% reliable with minimal maintenance. and guess what?  At quiet time even the Hondas have to shut down.  I will take my yellow gen set over a pair of red ones but then I am cheap.


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Keith-N-Dar
Boris & Betty (Boston Terriers)
2011 R-Pod 177
2010 Ford F-150


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 8:18am
We always try to repurpose what we already have to meet the needs of our Pod.  The generator is no exception.  We bought one after hurricane Sandy when we lived in NJ just to make sure we'd have no more power outages more than a couple of hours.  It worked.  Once we had the generator there we never had to run it.  

Now that we moved out west and our power supply is not so vulnerable, we have repurposed our Champion 3500 to use with our Pod in case we go somewhere where AC is a must.  It works just fine and as Kieth found, my wife and I can lift it in and out of the truck just fine.  

So far, most of our camping has been in the high Sierra and we've not needed AC, but this coming May, we're heading to the south west and I anticipate that the AC may be needed quite a bit, thus we're loading up the Champion.  But, all that being said, we keep our power needs to a minimum.  We don't use a microwave or a lot of electronics.  If it wasn't for AC, our 100 amp solar cell would supply pretty much all our electricity needs.


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Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 11:01am
We use two Honda EU2000i generators in parallel when we need to run the A/C. We only run one otherwise. One of the generators is a Companion model, which is the same wattage but has a 30A socket built in for parallel use. We also run a 6-gallon external tank solution that allows us to run the generators for a few days without refueling.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: Woody.1
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 11:38am
Thanks for all the replies.
I am looking just to plug the generator into TT and go about my business. We live in the four corners area and there is so much BLM land to camp off grid is why I think I need a generator. It would be nice to use the appliances/AC and outlets when needed since we paid for all of that. 
Do I need to worry about changing out the AC capacitor to a hard start capacitor? I've read a lot on the internet and I just keep getting more confused.Confused


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by Woody.1

Thanks for all the replies.
I am looking just to plug the generator into TT and go about my business. We live in the four corners area and there is so much BLM land to camp off grid is why I think I need a generator. It would be nice to use the appliances/AC and outlets when needed since we paid for all of that. 
Do I need to worry about changing out the AC capacitor to a hard start capacitor? I've read a lot on the internet and I just keep getting more confused.Confused

That depends on what generator you end up with. If you get two 2000 watt gens running in parallel you don't need to worry about it. If you get a 2400 watt gen you maybe OK without changing the capacitor but still best to do it. If, however, you get either a single Honda or the 2000 watt Yamaha the hard start capacitor MAY let you run the A/C sometimes. In hot weather it will still be problematic. No guarantees.


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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 6:49am
Or if you get the 3500 watt Predator, you won't have to worry about it either and reviews are that it is as quiet as any of the high-end models.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Woody.1
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 9:58am
Originally posted by StephenH

Or if you get the 3500 watt Predator, you won't have to worry about it either and reviews are that it is as quiet as any of the high-end models.
Yep I’m looking at that, but a little neveous what happens in a year or two being HF if service/parts are needed. I like the Champion option to use propane. If and when I get a generator it will be 3500-3800 watt.



Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 10:14am
+1 Woody1, you need a larger genset for the camping you prefer to do. They are a bit to heavy for me and wife, but still agree with you.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 11:37am
One advantage to dual 2000W generators is each of them is easily movable by one person. Even my wife with a bad knee can lift and move a Honda 2000 if she has to. A 3500W generator would be a two person lift unless you're really toned from weight lifting. Yes, they typically have wheels, but you have to get it on the ground before those do any good and they may not roll over somewhat rough terrain very well.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: MDPaddlersPod
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 11:50am
I have a Honda EU 3000. Expensive and heavy but, it really is by far the best there is, in my opinion.

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MDPaddlersPod
2017 RPod 179
2002 Silverado1500


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 12:54pm
If you have a pickup, a ramp to roll it up into the bed or a hoist to lift it solves that problem.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: VancleVector
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 1:53am


I've been researching (gawd I'm bored) generators and came across reviews of the Predator 4000/3500 http://https://www.dieselgeneratortech.com/diesel-generators/How-to-Choose-a-Good-Diesel-Generator.html - generator. $699.00 or maybe $649.00 with their coupon.

In todays technology for under 20Kw Prime Power you really should look at 1800 Rpm Brushless Genends powered by whatever fuel suits you fancy. Liquid Cooled is ALWAYS better than Air Cooled for operater available, Prime Powered system. Where Air Cooled is nice is for Remote Site Prime
Powere Systems, that have LONG Service intervals.


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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 8:30am
What about a link for an "1800 Rpm Brushless Genends?" I've seen the Predator 3500 in action. It is very, very quiet, much more so than the Generac iX2000 I have now.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: crankster78
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 10:00am
Greetings
I have just come back from dry camping for over a week with about 800 other campers.  I have a Honda 2000 watt inverter generator that I bought in 2005.  It has over 1500+ hours on it and all I have done is change oil, and install 1 new spark plug.  The inverter produces a pure sine wave instead of  square wave like the cheap gens. do.  It is quiet which is a big plus when you are surrounded by other folks camping.  I would  never use a non inverter generator for camping.   The converter in your camper does nothing to change the AC wave form.  The Champion, Generac, Briggs and Straton invertors are good and less expensive, but you get what you pay for.  Yamaha has a very good unit.  I am a Ham radio operator and use the generator for that also.  Ham radios like all electronics require clean power. Please be considerate of your fellow campers when buying a generator.  

Crankster78   2015 R-179


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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 1:54pm
I second the vote for a high quality inverter generator. I can and do run my air conditioner and microwave (not at the same time) on my Honda 2000. The new 2200 would be even better. 

An Easy Start was required for the air conditioner so that it could start on the little Honda. After that no problem. You can also convert these gennys to dual fuel so that you can run on propane. Clean and no gasoline stink, but it will cost substantially more to operate that way. 

One note, the inverter generators are not particularly quiet or efficient when run near full load, what makes them quiet and efficient is being able to operate at low rpm under light load. The inverter section does this by maintaining 60Hz AC output with variable engine rpm. Conventional small generators run at 3600 rpm continuously to provide 60Hz output. But even when running the air conditioner you get the noise and efficiency when the compressor has cycled off, when the load is just the evaporator fan at I think a couple of hundred watts.  


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1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: krusehead
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 7:50pm

Because of a favorable Consumer Reports review and a great price, I bought a Westinghouse iGen2500 portable generator this past summer.  It's quiet, seems well built and works fine.  

We live in Colorado and I subsequently ordered the high altitude carburetor kit from Westinghouse.  While the generator seems good, my experience with Westinghouse customer service in trying to get a couple of simple issues resolved pertaining to the high altitude kit was simply the worst.  Like, beyond comprehension terrible.  My advice: If you think you might need to deal with customer service, don't buy Westinghouse.


Short Summary:

Westinghouse sent me the kit with no installation instructions.

I could find no instructions on the Westinghouse website.

I sent 7 emails and made 6 phone calls to Westinghouse (and in response received 7 emails and 1 phone call from Westinghouse) before I received the installation instructions.  3 of my 7 emails were not responded to.

 

Long Summary:

1. I received the high altitude kit, but it came with no instructions.

2. I went to the Westinghouse website but could find no instructions there.

3. I emailed a query to customer service, but received no response (this was mid-October).

4. 10/23 I called customer service and explained that my email had not been responded to.  I recapped that I had no installation instructions for the kit.  They couldn't help but said they would refer the question to the tech dept.

5. 10/24 I received an email from Engineering saying he didn't understand the question.

6. 10/24 I emailed back asking for installation instructions and asked the minimum safe altitude at which the unit could be run.

7. 10/25 I received an email telling me that there are installation instructions and that the jet must be changed if the unit is returned to sea level.  No installation instructions were provided.

8. 10/26 I emailed back asking where I could get the instructions and reiterated the question about minimum safe operating elevation.  I received no response.

9.  10/31 I called customer service and asked for this to be escalated to management.  The person said he would send me a link to the instructions and that there was no problem running the unit at sea level with the kit installed; it would just make less power. 

10.  10/31 I received an email with installation instructions.

11.  We were out of the country for most of November.  Upon returning I saw that the instructions provided were not for my model.  The instructions stated that the original jet must be re-installed if the unit is to be operated at an elevation under 2,000 ft.  On 12/04 I emailed Engineering and explained that I received the wrong instructions and asked for the correct ones.  I received no response.

12.  12/06 I called customer service and asked for instructions for my model.  Dan said he would check and get back to me.

13. 12/06 Dan called back.  Although he said the installation instructions for all the iGen’s would be the same, he said he would send me the correct instructions for my model. 

14. 12/06 Dan emailed me a response that referenced included instructions but there were none in the email. 

15. 12/08 I installed the kit (without instructions).  The kit included three jet options--A, B, and C.  I guessed that Kit B would be the right one for 5,000 ft. of elevation.  The procedures in the instructions I received on 10/31 were of no help; my model generator is quite different from the instructions. 

16.  12/11 I emailed Dan that I did not receive the instructions with his previous email.  I said I also needed clarification of the minimum safe operating elevation with the kit installed because I had received three different answers.  The first (verbal) was sea level.  The second (verbal) was that there is no minimum--it would operate fine at sea level, although with slightly reduced output.  The third (written) was 2,000 ft., although that was in the instructions for generators other than the iGen that I have so I don't know for certain if it applies.  

In the same email I included the summary of my efforts to acquire instructions and install the kit (numbers 1-15 above) and asked that my summary be forwarded to Westinghouse management.  I concluded by stating:

“My experience with Westinghouse has been terrible beyond belief, starting with purchasing a kit that came with no instructions, continuing through emails that were not responded to, and phone calls and emails that often provided no- or incorrect information. After all these emails and calls, I still have no instructions for installing the kit.”

17.  12/11 Dan emailed me and apologized that there was no link to the instructions in the 12/06 email he sent me, but he did not provide the instructions.  He did not clarify the minimum safe elevation at which the generator can be operated with the kit installed. 

18.  12/11 Dan sent a second email that day that included the link to the instructions.

19.  12/13 I emailed Dan that the kit instructions he provided were the same (incorrect) ones sent to me 10/31.  I explained in detail how the instructions provided did not apply to my model generator.

20.  12/13 Dan emailed and said that they had found the problem that resulted in my getting the wrong instructions and sent me a link to the correct ones. 

21.  12/14 I sent an email to Dan confirming that I received the correct instructions.

 

Notes: After twice asking for my experience to be shared with Westinghouse management, they did not reach out to me.

I never received clarification as to the minimum safe operating elevation with the kit installed.  The instructions for my generator say the original main jet must be installed for operation at less than 2,000 ft., so I am assuming that engine damage can occur without the original jet. 



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Krusehead


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 10:22pm
Originally posted by krusehead

I never received clarification as to the minimum safe operating elevation with the kit installed.  The instructions for my generator say the original main jet must be installed for operation at less than 2,000 ft., so I am assuming that engine damage can occur without the original jet. 
If you're only modding the intake to tolerate 5,000' elevation, I would not expect a giant change below 2,000' elevation. Since the jet is designed to compensate for lower atmospheric pressure, I would not necessarily anticipate "engine damage" at lower elevation. It will surely operate a bit on the lean side, but you may be able to adjust for that.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: crankster78
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2018 at 8:50am
Greetings
I have a 2000 Honda inverter.  I'm in ham radio and also use it for field day.   I have at least 2000 to 3000 hours on it and it's 12 years old.  For electronics, inverters are the best for a pure sine wave needed.  It only runs as fast as the load requires, so is very quiet in operation.  Several other companies now make inverter style generators, which should work well.  I dry camp at some large events.  If I end up with someone with a cheap generator nearby, I will move to another location.  When you buy a generator, think of your neighbors.  Hondas are known for being reliable and long lived.  You get what you pay for.  
Happy New Year and safe rv'ing


Crankster78  r-179


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Crankster 78 R-179 2015


Posted By: Shane
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 11:43am
I am looking at the Honda EU 7000, is this worth spending a lot of money on. Most will be used for the RV trips, but I will use it at the house also.

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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by Shane

I am looking at the Honda EU 7000, is this worth spending a lot of money on. Most will be used for the RV trips, but I will use it at the house also.
That is about twice the power that you would ever use in an R-pod, and maybe 3X the power you would "typically" use. a 2KW, or possibly a 2.5KW would be more than adequate as long as you paid attention to microwave and A/C usage.

However, if you're planning on using it at home, it might be a good choice. Personally, I wouldn't want to be dragging a ~~ 260 lb generator around when I'm camping.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Woody.1
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 2:06pm
Well I went with the Westinghouse iGen 4500. Have 10 hours on it is all and I like it so far. It has remote start, which I guess will come in handy. Got it off Amazon for right around a $1000.00. And here’s what I did when I purchased it off of Amazon, which has nothing to do with the generator itself. Our grocery (city market/King Soopers) store has a gas station and not all do, but they had 4 times fuel points when you buy a gift card. I bought 10 - $100.00 Amazon gift cards with my points credit card, loaded the Amazon gift cards, purchased the generator and got $1.00 off per gallon for a few fill ups because of the 4 times fuel points and received points on my credit card.Thumbs Up 



Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2021 at 12:57pm
After our most recent trip, I now feel that I can recommend the Firman dual-fuel generators.  The link is for an upgraded model of the one we bought through Costco.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Firman-Whisper-Hybird-Series-3300-Watt-Copper-Brushless-Gasoline-Propane-Portable-Generator/1001330042 - https://www.lowes.com/pd/Firman-Whisper-Hybird-Series-3300-Watt-Copper-Brushless-Gasoline-Propane-Portable-Generator/1001330042

While not the quietest generator, it is quieter than many. It has sufficient power to run the AC and to charge the battery/batteries simultaneously. Being able to run on propane is a big plus as it runs cleaner and one does not have to worry about stale gasoline, ethanol, needing fuel stabilizer, spillage, storage of stinky gas containers, etc. Electric start is a big plus. One can pay much more for an equivalent generator, but I don't know if one will get a better one in this price range.




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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS



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