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    Posted: 04 Nov 2019 at 3:55pm
A little more battery 101. 

The biggest killers of lead acid battery life are excessive discharge and overcharge.

On the discharge side I agree with the 50% state of charge minimum for deep cycle batteries. That occurs at about 12.2V so you really need a voltmeter to measure it properly, the little lights in the trailer aren't very useful, to be kind about it. The 12.2V should be measured with the battery at rest (no significant charging or discharging) for a half an hour or longer. After you take that measurement once or twice and relate it to the lights and to how much electrical load you're been taking you begin to get a pretty good idea what you have and don't have to measure it all the time. 

Or if you want to do it the old school way you can get a hydrometer (they're cheap) and measure the electrolyte specific gravity. Sulfuric acid is heavier than water. The lower the state of charge the lower the sulfuric acid concentration is and the lower the SG is. SG should generally be around 1.18-1.2 at 50% state of charge. 

On the overcharge side the WFCO chargers in our Pods seem to have a tendency to overcharge the batteries pretty heavily when left on which can consume the water and expose the plates in a few weeks. At least mine does that. Exposed battery plates are baaad.Thumbs Down 

So check the water level frequently and/or shut the charger off for awhile after you've recharged. Use only distilled water and bring the level back up to the little slots below the caps. If you add water turn on the charger for a day or so to mix the distilled water with the sulfuric acid (which tends to stay at the bottom).

The other killer of batteries is heat. Contrary to popular belief cold weather is good for batteries as long as they are kept charged. They won't freeze if charged well, even in extreme cold. But hot weather will kill them because it accelerates internal corrosion of the battery plates. Nothing really you can do about it, we all live where we live, but don't expect to get the same battery life Jato is getting in MI if you live in FL or AZ Ying Yang

  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2019 at 4:31pm
Thanks to both Olddawgsrule and Offgrid for the replies.  That is why I enjoy this forum so much, something new to learn everyday, or is it because I am forgetting so much? 

Yes, electrolyte level is crucial to battery life, as is not under or overcharging, and keeping the battery clean, posts, ect.  Over the past nearly 9 years I average twice per year that I add distilled water to each battery.  I will not purchase any battery whereby I cannot access the cells to add water, something that is becoming more difficult with smaller batteries, at least in the area where i reside.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2019 at 6:34am
We use 2 Costco/Interstate 6v 220 AH batteries.  When home the trailer is plugged in so they're getting a continuous charge from the WFCO converter but I've never had a noticeable problem with over charging.  I check the water level frequently and have rarely needed to ad water, mostly when it's been really hot.  We keep the batteries in a tongue box so it's really easy to access them to check the water level.  My brother-in-law has bank of 4 of these same batteries in his class A that have lasted for almost 10 years.

I agree with offgrid, avoid over charging, discharging below 50%, and never let the water get down to the plates or below.  Simple battery maintenance ensures a long battery life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2019 at 7:32am
Incase someone doesn't have one, here's my SOC voltage chart.


I will say I see 'at rest' a bit different than OG. To me a true read comes after 12hrs (some say 24hrs) and find that pretty darn accurate. An hour or so will tell you if you have a issue though. 

I also find a battery 'wants' to be used. Letting it just sit for months, even on a maintainer is not use.. I do plug in over the winter when required, I draw down the battery, typically 80% (275 watts) and usually my panel will catch it back up, if not I'll plug in.

I do recommend a meter like what I use that shows cumulative wattage. I have another on my panel. I think I was checking Refrigerator draw on battery in this picture.


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