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    Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 12:00pm
I wouldn't trust leaving it immersed for long periods myself, I've seen too many supposedly waterproof things go south. But that's me. You'll probably need to extend the sensor wires. Its a 10Kohm thermistor IIRC so shouldn't be any problem extending it as long as you want to. 

If the calibration offset function doesn't work on yours (it didn't on mine) you can just offset the "on" setpoint instead.  A glass of icewater would make a good known temperature source for calibration, its guaranteed to be at 32F/0 C. Big smile  

The IR temp gun is a good idea for probing for the lowest temp location. It might not be that accurate in absolute terms but you're only looking for relative temp differences anyway. 

It takes out 1 BTU per pound of water to cool it 1 degree F. It takes 144 btu out to freeze 32 degree water into 32 degree ice. So as long as we keep the water moving through the system and the tank reasonably full its going to take a really long time to freeze all that water, even if we put in only a small amount of heat. That was why I was thinking it might be good to keep the water heater temp relatively low and run the pump to circulate the water a little longer. Let's see how it works out for you. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 10:22am
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that is a good suggestion for the location of sensor.  I really haven't decided yet and planned on doing some testing of locations at or near the fresh water tank. near that suction line makes the most sense to me too.  The sensor is waterproof as well (supposedly) and i was wondering if it could be immersed in the tank somehow, but i have not figured out a way to do that yet. 

The proximity of the pod heater to the suction line on the 182g may cause me some misreading.  I will have to test.

Thanks for the instructions.

Edit:  I have an infrared heat sensor that i will use to test temps around the pod.  Plan to complete the install and begin testing this weekend.
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Thanks, good find.  I think I'll probably just get a single nc ball valve as I no longer mix my cold and hot water anyhow. 

Looking forward to hearing how it all comes together. The part I'm thinking will need some testing might be the freeze temp sensor location. I'm thinking right where the pump suction line leaves the fresh water tank might be the best spot. Should be the first place to freeze and the last place to get warm. Where are you planning to put yours? 

I found a link to the little thermostat's instructions. Not all functions were enabled on mine. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 9:50am
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2 x motor ball valve normal closed=$32.99ea x2 =$65.98
motor valve Rev pol=28.99
barb T=10.79
1/2" npt to SB x 5 = 34.25
man SB valve = 13.76
hose clamps = 5.00?
pex pipe = 5.00
dpdt switch = 8.20
wire = 20.00?
wire terminals = 5.00 ?

Labor = FREEish
$ 196.97 w/o sales tax.  About the cost of 1 1/2 tank heating pads.  so cheaper and can be used while boondocking.  i'll call that a win! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 9:31am
another pic of the test fit.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 9:26am
The two identical valves are automatic ball valves that are normally closed.  30ma draw each to hold open then close on no power.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 9:20am
Texman, great progress.  Are the two identical valves solenoid valves? Can you share a link to those?
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 9:12am
this the farthest point in the plumbing from the water heater and pump.  This is the tremendous wasted space in the 182g that is between the bathroom and the rear kitchen and underneath the bottom bunk.  only accessible by lifting the mattress. 
This is where the second normally closed valve will go that will be controlled by the thermostat that is sensing temps close to zero to actuate and open.  i store my manuals in the box in the pic here.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 8:59am
the manual ball valve is for controlling the flow of water that returns to the overflow line since it is gravity fed to the holding tank.  pic of test fit..  pretty tight 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 8:57am
the valve for recirculating hot water using the on board water pump is pictured.  The top valve is a normal closed valve that will be linked to an identical valve (not shown) at the rear of the pod at the rear kitchen.  these two valves are controlled via a thermostat to open when temps are near freezing and remain closed when temps are not close to freezing. the valves draw 30ma each to remain open, so they low energy and should be suitable for boondocking in colder weather.   The valve at the rear will be the mixing valve for the hot water to return via the cold water lines and dump into the fresh water tank via the overflow line when both valves are open and the third valve is closed (the valve at the bottom of the pic.). 
The valve at the bottom is a two wire reverse polarity ball valve that will be controlled by a DPDT switch mounted with the rest of the pod switches by the stereo panel.  This valve controls whether the fresh water flows normally (as in warm weather with cold/hot mixing at the point of use) or stops the cold water and then the other thermostatically controlled switches react to the temperature to open and close to circulate water to prevent freezing. This valve only uses power when opening or closing.  Once it reaches each state, it uses no power. the idea is to automate the cold weather function as best i can and be able to return to the normal configuration with ease.  Some of the valves are not easy to get to.  And, i still like the idea of having separate cold and hot water available when needed. 
I used pex fittings which are easy, but are not cheap.  They are nice in the tight settings that this has to be placed since they are simply push to connect.  more pics to come.



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