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    Posted: 14 Jan 2020 at 10:09pm
I use the GIMP to crop and resize the photos. I could add annotations to the photos and highlight details, but I haven't so far. I may start doing that. I'm going to skip the diode for now and see how it behaves. We may have to make a short trip so I can test it, but that won't be until after I can safely dewinterize the water system. Another reason for this was that we travel with a full fresh water tank, so eliminating 90 lbs of battery weight is a good thing.
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Originally posted by StephenH

I was editing the message to add pictures when you posted. No, I had not thought of a diode. How would one go about installing one and where would it go?


If my recollection is correct you were concerned about having current flow from your tv alternator to the trailer and then into you new battery and its controller, yes??? If so I would believe you put a diode in line at your trailer side of the connector it would stop all back flow of current. Google it, a diode is in sense just a one way valve and only allows current to flow in one direction. Hope this helps in some small way?

Nice photos you posted and if you have a photo editor program maybe you can print details on your photos? Just a suggestion.....
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A diode would go in the +12v line from the tv battery, allowing current flow only toward the trailer. I had an old class a RV I set up like that.

But I wouldn’t at this point. There will be a voltage drop across the diode which might make it hard to get the Li battery fully charged and StephenH has already determined that his 12v line to the tv is disconnected when the ignition is off. So, backfeeding isn’t likely to happen anyway except for a few seconds while starting the tv engine. If it turns out that isn’t the case, or the Li battery is drawing too much current from the alternator, or is overcharging then that would be a good time to add a diode into the circuit.
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I was editing the message to add pictures when you posted. No, I had not thought of a diode. How would one go about installing one and where would it go?
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If so you might be fine with only an isolator relay disconnect between the trailer and the tv. You need something to keep from dumping the Li battery charge back into the tv battery when the alt isn’t charging, because the Li battery stays at a higher voltage than the lead acid battery doesrpm before you decide what to buy. As long as you keep a close eye on everything while testing you should be . You could connect up and see what kind of charge currents and voltages and alternator temps you get at idle and at 3000ok.


This has been an interesting discussion between offgirid and StephenH with his Li battery modification. I'm very much looking forward to seeing photos of the Li battery installation and the associated modifications that you have done StephenH. Much easier to follow when you can visualize something, right. As for any worries of tv alternator or its lead acid battery back-feeding to the new Pod's Li batteries have you thought of something as simple as a diode in line to prevent such happening?
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The only way the trailer's power could go to the battery is through the converter now. Formerly, it would have been more direct but while the original battery connections are live (I needed to power the jack), the actual current battery connections are though the power center. I don't even know if it will charge via the vehicle at this point. That is something i need to test when I get a chance.

Except for waiting on the extension cable for the monitor and mounting it in its final location, the installation is done. Here are some pictures:

First, the battery:


And, as mounted in the compartment I had made (see prior messages):


You can see both the battery cut-off switch and the sensor for the battery monitor. Here is a closer view of the sensor:


This is the monitor in the box:



And in operation:


This was after the converter started reducing the charging current. The initial charging voltage was closer to 14.6V

I also blocked in the battery so it wont slid around in the compartment. I am waiting on an extension cable for the meter. Once that arrives, I will install the meter in its final location.

Why put the cut-off switch in with the battery? Simple. I wanted the installation to be reversible. That means that I did not want to drill an extra hole for the switch in a visible part of the cabinet. If and when we sell our R-Pod, I plan on taking the battery and accessories with us to install on whatever model replaces this one.

The two 6V batteries are currently sitting on the deck. I'm not sure what to do with them. Most likely, I will take them to Batteries + where I bought them and get the core charge back that I paid in 2015.
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The 40a fuses will limit the current flow to the trailer battery to 40a if the circuit from the tv goes through them, I’ve never checked to see if that’s the case. But you should still have a fuse or cb in line on the +12V conductor near the tv battery in case there is ever a fault on the conductors to the 7 pin connector. Those are usually 10awg so a 30a cb is appropriate. The aftermarket kits like I have from etrailer have you install that cb on the vehicle body just near the battery.
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Yes, I do have an IR thermometer. The battery circuit of the WFCO 8955 power center does have the two 40A fuses in the reverse polarity protection location. I would think these also would serve the purpose. I have the 60A breaker on order per our previous messages.
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The bms will self protect the battery but shouldn’t be depended on to provide day to day charge regulation. Think of it as a backup system. Unlike a lead acid battery, Li batteries will last longer if not charged to 100% SOC, so 14.8V is too high anyway.

Yes, what Battle Born is saying is consistent, you pobably have enough series resistance in the 12V trailer feed so excessive charge current is not a problem. You should also have a 30A breaker in that line already, right? Do you have an ir thermometer to check alt temp while you’re testing?
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According to the manufacturer, the battery's management system will cut off voltage if it goes too high or too low. I have asked for more specific details on the BMS.
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From the data sheet:
Voltage:
Charging:  Voltage greater than or equal to 14.8V - Delay 1~2s; Recovery - Less than or equal to 14V or discharge greater than 4A.
Discharging:  Voltage less than or equal to 9.5V, Delay 1~2S; Recovery - Voltage greater than or equal to 12.0V or Charge greater than 4A.

It looks like charging can take place between 32F and 140F; discharging between -4F and 140F. The temperature sensor of the BMS cuts out at greater than or equal to 178F and recovers at less than or equal to 149F

I do have a Southwire clamp-on DC Ammeter. Once I get things set up, I will connect that and see what it reads for vehicle charging and compare that to what the battery monitor I purchased reads. That will give me a better idea of what the vehicle is trying to supply and whether the alternator will be in any danger.

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I contacted Battle Born about their Lithium Battery Isolation Module, LI225. The response was that given that we are using the 7-pin connector, it is likely not needed as the wire size will limit the current flow. If I were to create a custom charging situation, then I would want to use the LiBIM.
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