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    Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 12:28pm
I'm wondering if there will be a lawsuit on Jayco for the hummingbird. I looked at one as well and they are a straight copy. 

I am glad it caused FR to add the standard awning and power tongue jack though. Wink
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Check this out! I almost bought the Jayco Hummingbird! Exact floor plan as the 179, just different interior coloring, etc...



It even comes with an awning. We decided to go with the R-Pod because it was cheaper, the Jayco we looked at was 21,000 OTD with tax,title,license.

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Ditto!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 2016 at 2:53pm
Originally posted by DaveGamble

Until this morning, I was convinced that the Winnie Drop was re-branded from Forest River. They are very nearly identical.
The tie-breaker between which to buy was this forum; I always try to find good peer-level support on complex products. Having learned about Winnie's duplicity (see what I did there? Smile) I'm convinced I made the right choice.
Yes, competition is good for the consumer, but IP theft is not. It stifles innovation. If FR paid for the R&D to bring a product to market, which is no small cost, then Winnie should not be able to siphon away sales. Why would FR ever bother to bring out something new if anyone can just copy it?
What Winnie did is not competition, it's theft.  In my opinion.  I'm glad I didn't reward them for it.


Well said.

I'm glad you find the forum helpful. You'll find some of the nicest and smartest folks right here. If you have any questions/comments, please post at will/often. Someone will be along to help out. It's hard to say how many decades or even centuries of combined camping/RV experience is at our finger tips....a gob! Always feel free to jump in with your thoughts on posts from others, also.
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Until this morning, I was convinced that the Winnie Drop was re-branded from Forest River. They are very nearly identical.

The tie-breaker between which to buy was this forum; I always try to find good peer-level support on complex products. Having learned about Winnie's duplicity (see what I did there? Smile) I'm convinced I made the right choice.

Yes, competition is good for the consumer, but IP theft is not. It stifles innovation. If FR paid for the R&D to bring a product to market, which is no small cost, then Winnie should not be able to siphon away sales. Why would FR ever bother to bring out something new if anyone can just copy it?

What Winnie did is not competition, it's theft.  In my opinion.  I'm glad I didn't reward them for it.
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Posts: 3226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 6:53am
Thanks Leo and David.  For those of us who have had the good fortune to meet, camp with, and get to know 'furpod' and his wife, we are the better for it, two great people!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 5:03am

I think that most of us enjoy the process of free debate and exchange of ideas. It can be enlightening and thought provoking. I don't think any of us would want to discourage that, in any way. However, I also believe that most of us are committed to engaging in this in a courteous and respectful manner.

I was fortunate to come across a quote, early in life, that has kind of "stuck with me" through the years. It is often (incorrectly) credited to Voltaire:


"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall

Cool words indeed!

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Well stated David! furpod has always been very courteous and always very helpful to the members of this forum!
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Posts: 913 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 2:18pm
This will be a very interesting suite to watch.  Although the merits of the case have yet to be decided, I did look up who is the bigger dog.  FR has 60 manufacturing plants and employs 11,000.  The gross revenue for FR shows to be $3.8 B.  That is just FR.  Seems they have very deep pockets.  Winnebago although not a slouch grossed about $980 million.  This is going to be a battle of the titans.  It seems to me that FR as the aggrieved party will ultimately win this case.  Keep an eye out on this one.  Safe Travels. 
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Posts: 168 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 1:54pm
Thanks for that well deserved action, David.

For those who have the urge to read it, here is the link to the actual civil complaint that was filed in US District court. We'll see how "frivolous" it turns out to be.  Note they are requesting a jury trial.

http://rv-pro.com/sites/default/files/features/merged_56147_-1-1453132043.pdf
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