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    Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 4:47pm
Added to the pod manual.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 11:10am
The Honda 3000 is a good one just like all Honda generators are very good.

However, the Honda 3000 is too heavy for my needs.  With oil and gas in it you are looking at around 140 lbs which is way too heavy for me to lift out of a truck bed. 

I chose the Yamaha 2400 for low noise level, will run my air conditioner and weighs in at around 78 lbs with gas and oil.  Weight level was very important to me as I can handle the 78 lbs but no way could I handle almost twice that weight for the Honda 3000.

The Boliy 3000 looked very interesting when I was doing my research on generators.  With gas and oil it would come in around the same weight as the Yamaha 2400.  Almost pulled the trigger and bought one instead of the Yamaha.  However, I decided I did not need the extra 600 watts for my usage.  They look well built, but the Yamaha is built like a tank.  I have several friends that have the Yamaha 2400 and a couple of them run the hell out of them with no problems after two years of hard usage.

Any way you look at it, you cannot go wrong with a Honda, a Yamaha, and although not well known yet, the Boliy 3000 looks like a winner.  Would like to hear how you liked it after several months of usage.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 11:39am
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Can you run your air conditioner unit with the 2400 watt Yamaha. 

It will,  BUT you MIGHT (not sure about 2400 watts) have to disconnect your battery from the charger before trying.

The first thing your converter-charger will do when plugged into 120 VAC is to try and charge the battery, even if it is alreadyy fully charged. This will use some of your genny wattage. If you try and start and run your A/C at the time it is doing this, it will likely be too much for the genny to handle.

I can start and run my A/C (13,500 btu) reliably with my Honda EU2000i , but ONLY if I shut off my battery disconnects FIRST. I can alos run my microwave (twice since I have had it, so not often) but only if the battery disconnect is off.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 11:45am
I never shut my batteries of when we use the microwave never had a problem in 4 years. ( Honda 2000i )
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 5:00pm
I just added additional information to one of my earlier posts, copied below.  If you often travel to higher altitudes and/or where it gets hot, you may want to opt for a 3000 over a 2400 watt model...

Keep in mind that a generator loses 3.5% of its rating per 1000 feet above sea level, PLUS it loses 1% for each 10 F degrees above 60 F.  So if it is 90 F (32 C) and you are at 4000 feet (1200 m), you must derate your genset by 17%!  The Yamaha EF2400 is now only good for 2000 watts (surge) and 1650 watts continuous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 7:54pm
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Keep in mind that a generator loses 3.5% of its rating per 1000 feet above sea level, PLUS it loses 1% for each 10 F degrees above 60 F.  So if it is 90 F (32 C) and you are at 4000 feet (1200 m), you must derate your genset by 17%!  The Yamaha EF2400 is now only good for 2000 watts (surge) and 1650 watts continuous.

Will installing a high altitude jet minimize the power loss?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by chiman

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However, the Honda 3000 is too heavy for my needs.  With oil and gas in it you are looking at around 140 lbs which is way too heavy for me to lift out of a truck bed.  ...

At first I felt this was a negative, and it is when I'm loading/unloading it (with my daughter who helps me).  But I realized once it is in place on my cargo tray that also means nobody else is going to walk away with it by themselves.  Especially since I've removed the handles.  Another way to look at the weight problem.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by Luv2Q

 
Will installing a high altitude jet minimize the power loss?

No, the loss of power is a function of the lowered oxygen content.  The high altitude jets lean out the fuel so the amount of fuel injected matches the amount of fuel that can actually be burned.  If you run with a lower altitude jet you end up running too rich so you waste some fuel, and long-term risk carbon buildup.  Not a big deal short-term, like if you normally run below 3000 feet but take a 2 week trip bouncing around the Rockies, 3000 to 5000 to 7000 feet from night to night.  Not worth changing out the jet in that case.

Note that you should never run a high altitude jet at a low altitude.  Fuel has a secondary function as a cooling agent and you'll burn you engine up running it too lean.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2015 at 11:20pm
Anyone with Yamaha experience ever try one of these?  It's an extended-run contraption that supposedly uses vacuum (since the Yamaha doesn't have a fuel pump).  It seems like it should work but then again ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 1:02pm
Interesting, I hadn't seen that when I was researching it for my Yamaha.  However, I'm not convinced about their claim that no modification is necessary to the generator.  The factory fuel cap has an anti-vacuum valve on it (gray button if I remember right), and a fume recovery system including a canister (you see the holes for this system inside the fuel tank near the top).  So the system expects the air pocket in the tank to be at/near outside air pressure and not under a partial vacuum - but adding this system will now do that.
 
It is one of those things where I'd want to see it in action or get a creditable report from someone before I bought it.
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