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David and Danette
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Topic: Water Tank Beam Posted: 27 Jul 2014 at 2:59pm |
Sorry I was wrong. Budward, you are right 1/4" not 3/16". Still deciding if I want to drill holes in the frame or not but I can't think of any other way to strengthen the rail that holds the tank except for drilling holes in frame. I forget the frame size on the r-pods on the Vibe it is a 4" by 2" box frame.
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2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019)
2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014)
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2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab
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cody91
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Posted: 27 Jul 2014 at 2:28pm |
I posted about this topic back in March 2014 shortly after I took delivery of my Rpod 178.
http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2283&KW=water+tank+brackets&PID=44164&title=sagging-fresh-water-tank#44164
I didn't get a lot of responses at the time. I mentioned the problem to Forest River and all they offered was to send me a few extra bracket screws to help hold up the tank.
So far I haven't done anything to the pod except tighten the screws a little. I have yet to travel with full tanks but this build quality does not give me confidence. Cody91
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Budward
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Posted: 27 Jul 2014 at 9:19am |
Originally posted by David and Danette
I looked under the Vibe and it's the same as the r-pod two 3/16" screws on each side of the front rail holding the fresh water tank. I don't know the strength of the screws but you would think that they should be a larger screw or bolt.. |
Just shot the missing screws in on mine- were yours really 3/16? Mine were #14 which is close to 1/4", take a 3/8 socket to drive them in. The 3/16 (#12) take a 5/16" socket. If yours were indeed #12 I'd pull them all out and replace with #14. One other thing- unlike J-Cats pics mine only had the bottom 2 screws in, the top was skipped on mine. The top hole was partially welded over, IOW it was too close to the edge of the frame and because of the weld not leaving a flat surface for the screw to tighten down- I drilled new holes about 1/4 to 3/8" down.
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2014 179
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Budward
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Posted: 27 Jul 2014 at 7:43am |
Personally I avoid drilling holes into frames, as they do reduce the strength. Is it significant? I don't know, depends on how much the frame is over engineered. A single hole on one side reduces the strength less than a through hole in the same spot on both sides. Of course the smaller the hole the better.
However- sometimes there is just no practical way to get around it.
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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
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David and Danette
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Posted: 27 Jul 2014 at 4:41am |
I looked under the Vibe and it's the same as the r-pod two 3/16" screws on each side of the front rail holding the fresh water tank. I don't know the strength of the screws but you would think that they should be a larger screw or bolt. My question is if you drill into the frame will you affect the strength of the frame enough to be concerned about? I am thinking of using a 1/4" bolt and attaching a bracket under the support rail on each side. That would require drilling two 1/4" holes through the frame. This is the first time ever heard of someone having a holding tank come lose on a r-pod so wandering if the risk is that great.
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2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019)
2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014)
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2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab
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Old Dingo&Mrs.Dingo
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Posted: 26 Jul 2014 at 4:46pm |
Nightmare scenario! Looked under my 181 this morning and saw the same thing. I wasn't too worried about the black or gray tanks, they are always empty when I pull out from anywhere, camping or home. But I didn't like traveling with even 10 gallons in the fresh tank with out a better attachment. This morning I drilled through the frame and installed a 2 3/4" X 5/16" bolt and ny-lock nut in the 2 empty holes. I feel more secure now.
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Old Dingo and/or Mrs. Dingo
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svskier
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Posted: 26 Jul 2014 at 4:22pm |
Just spent the morning under the pod adding a third screw to the fresh black and gray water tanks. Also tightened all bolts I could get to, all were at least a half a turn loose
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Mark
09 silverado 2500 hd
2013 pod 178
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J-Cat
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Posted: 26 Jul 2014 at 3:47pm |
Thanks for this post. I checked under my 179 and found the same thing for all three tanks. Each tank had two beams with one beam being welded in place and the other bolted in place so it can be removed to replace/remove the tank. Although each bracket had three holes drilled only two sheet metal screws were used on each to attach it to the trailer frame. My biggest concern was on one end of the black tank were there was a noticeable gap between the bracket and the trailer frame (~1/4"). This would make it even more likely for these bolts to shear or pull out. I ended up adding a third 1/4" diameter screw to all except one end of the fresh water tank where I could not get access.
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Jerry & Cathy
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2013 Tacoma SR5 4x4
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Mike B
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Posted: 26 Jul 2014 at 10:14am |
Wow, I too will be crawling under our 177 to have a look.
Thanks for posting.
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Budward
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Posted: 26 Jul 2014 at 7:43am |
Tank support seems to be an industry problem since the manufacturers like to squeeze every last penny of profit out. Back in 99 or so my Tahoe toy hauler severely bent the thin sheet metal angle supports holding the 4 tanks*. I replaced them all with actual angle iron that was much stouter. Went from something like 1.5" angle that was 1/16 thick to 2" angle 3/16 thick. Problem solved.
*Yep 4 tanks, one grey, one black, and two ea 50 gallon fresh water tanks. Toy Haulers back then were not seen much outside the dirt bike/ATV world in the deserts out west.
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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!
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