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    Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 5:09pm
I started to think that the 1 million price tag was a lot of money but started thinking 2,741 trailers times lets say $10,000 that they sold for (Just a number being thrown out there as that number would change per the unit) equals $27,410,000.  Yes that is right just a bit over 27  million dollars. or the roughly $380 it cost to correct it over $10,000 is .038 Percent of the total cost.  Forest River needs to wake up.
 
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Edited post from billion to million (I need to learn to proof read better before posting)
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Again, tell your friends.  Tell your friends not to purchase a FR product because of this.  How dare they brush us 2400+ families under the rug like that, just because it's "too expensive" to fix what should have never been.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tri-Pod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Sep 2011 at 2:39pm
Hey that is great, thanks for posting the letter. I think I will take this to my dealer and see if he can get the kit. I may well pay them to put it on. Clark
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I have talked with my selling dealer's Service Department and he was surprised to hear about it.  He has no news and asked me to keep him posted. This was Stolzfus RV's
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Below are letters sent from Forest River to the NHTSA Dated December 22, 2010 and December 14, 2010

uploads/431/forest_river_letters.pdf

When I read The December 14, 2010 letter it stated it was recalling 100 percent of the trailers.  But the December 22, 2010 they start saying it cost too much.

Take a look at the letters.
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Also something else Forest River Stated:

"Forest River recognizes the error of the interpretation of the standard and has rectified all
R-Pods built as of December of 2010 by adding the clearance lights to the fenders, amber
in front and red on the rear along with a red reflector on the rear of each fender. We have
also added a spoiler to the rear of the unit to house the 3 red rear marker lights indicating
the height.
The basis for our petition for exemption is for several reasons.
1. The box of the unit is under the 80 inch width and is properly marked according
to table 1 V of 571.108. The fenders are low on each side of the unit.
2. There are a total of2,74l units involved and the cost to repair is substantial. Here
is a break down of the cost to add the marker lights and the clearance lights."

So ok they have said they are wrong, but the 2,741 units they did not build correctly are still ok to be rolling out on the roads?  I already know when I'm towing at night I cannot see the fenders and do not know how far they sticking out.

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From the letter Dated Dec 22, 2010 from Forest River, Inc. to NHTSA


Marker lights would require the following items:


Roof Spoiler w 3M Hat tape - $42.65
Adhesive Promoter $39.27/gal. -.1 gal req. - $3.93
314"' LED Clearance Light-Red $3.82 ea 3 req. - $11.46
14-2 Green/White 12 gauge wire $0.11/ft 20 ft req. - $2.14
Yellow wire nuts .02 ea 10 req. - $.20
#8x l"PanHead WhiteScrews $.Olea IOreq. - $.10

Labor to remove aluminum molding on the road
Side rear, install spoiler, lights and wiring and re-
Assemble and seal aluminum molding at $1 00.00/hr, 1.5 hrs req. $150.00


Clearance lights require the following items:
Sealed Marker Light Amber $.69 ea 2 req. - $1.38
Sealed Marker Light Red $.69 ea 2 req. -$1.38
Base for sealed marker light $.41 ea 4 req. - $1.64
18" Lead wire for sealed marker light $.39 ea 4 req. - $1.56
16 gauge DK Green TEW lOSe wire $.03/ft. 24ft req. - $.83
4'' split black convoluted tubing $.02/ft 24ft req. - $.58
1!4" plastic loop clamps $.007 each 10 req.- $.07
Insulated WP connector $.33 ea 4 req. -$1.31
14" NAT mount Cable Tie $.04 ea 8 req. - $.30
#86 Red Wing Twist-on connection $.03 ea I req. - $.03
#8 x 1 Quad Pan SDS Zinc Screw $.01 ea 12 req. - $.12
Y4-14 x 1 Unslotted HWfl SDS Zinc Screw $.02 ea 10 req. - $.20



Labor to install, wire and seal lights $100.00 per hr, 1.5 hours req. $150.00


Total cost per trailer $369.87

 multiplied by 2,741 trailers equals a staggering
$1,013,813.60 cost for these two divisions. This does not include the shipping cost and
postage for the notification. There is also potential of de-lamination and leakage that
could result if the aluminum corner molding on the road side is not properly re-installed
and sealed.
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Originally posted by TerryM

I wonder how much it would cost us to have this work done if Forest River gets their way on this issue.  They should be ashamed of themselves!  What they are attempting makes good financial sense but really lousy PR sense.

Terry  
 
 
Right now its virtually impossible to retrofit the lighitng yourself and do it with out impacting the value of your trailer by damaging it while making the lighting legal.    The unique curve design of the trailer means its VERY difficult to fabricate a piece to attach to top rear of trailer that makes sure that the 3 indicator lights are parallel to the road.    The fenders are easy to do yourself, the 3 indicator lights are near impossible to do without harming the trailer.
 
I have been fighting this for now over a year and a half, and finally got my trailer fixed by forest river with the Canadian retrofit kit in September of this year.     The custom spoiler piece FR has made is the only real way to attach lights without damaging the trailer physically or negatively impact its appearance.    Which means the lighting kit FR has put together is really the only viable option at this point to do the lights correctly.    Because of this the nightmare scenario would be that FR petition gets granted by the NHTSA, and then owners of trailers could potentially end up having to buy the custom spoiler piece from FR.   Who knows if that is how it would happen.   FR might be just trying to get out of notifying owners, but still might do the update for free on a case by case basis for people who call them.
 
As well as putting comments in with NHTSA, it might be to your benefit to contact your R-Pod dealer and inquire about them filing a warranty claim to have them install the canadian lighting recall kit.  (doesn't matter if trailer is out of warranty, as its a recall.   Just dealerships handle it as if it was a warranty claim)   As FR's stance on the situtation right now might be different (better or worse) than what their stance might be on the 28th.    The kits area available but I have no idea what FR current position is on retrofiting the U.S. trailers right now.
 
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Originally posted by TerryM

I wonder how much it would cost us to have this work done if Forest River gets their way on this issue.  They should be ashamed of themselves!  What they are attempting makes good financial sense but really lousy PR sense.

Terry  
 
 
I've been complaining about FR and specifically the R-Pod, since the 1st month I've owned mine.  I won't rehash my issues, but this latest non-yet-to-be-a-recall issue only strengthens my negative thoughts and opinion of Forest River.  Here's the issue.  With all of this now "out-there", people will still continue to support FR and purchase their products, for some strange reason.  Voting with your wallet is the only way these makers will pay attention.
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