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    Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 6:05pm
OG and LA, too bad you aren't neighbors.  I do like both pics of beating a dead horse though.  And even my wife thought they were funny; we had horses for a long time and are still alive to talk about it.  But now that we are in our 60's we have gotten wiser and value our  . . . . . lives and limbs.
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No, really. | Beating A Dead Horse | Know Your Meme
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I'm definitely not gonna show that to my wife or her horse, one of them might be offended.



And LA, maybe when someone quotes one of my posts asking for my response, you might want to just leave your club holstered when I respond with my opinion, and simply state your own if you disagree. All of this is just opinion after all, and Im sure the folks on here can do their own filtering. The shrinking horse population will be most grateful...



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THANK YOU!!!
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Originally posted by lostagain

Beating A Dead Horse Funny Sticker - Beating A Dead Horse ...  I guess I can't post a beating a dead horse meme here.  Confused
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Beating A Dead Horse Funny Sticker - Beating A Dead Horse ...  I guess I can't post a beating a dead horse meme here.  Confused
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Yet again LA you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that all brands or models within a brand are equivalent. That's absurd.

I just bought a GM product with trepidation after decades of owning Toyotas. But I had both direct and 3rd party model specific data supporting my choice of the Toyotas.

I'll stick with why statement. Buying by brand, rather than via actual 3rd party data, is a short cut for consumers motivated primarily by fear of making a mistake. Ask any trained marketing professional and I'm sure they'll say the same thing.

Nothing inherently wrong with that, I do it too sometimes. We all do. No one has time to research every purchase they make. You have to pick your battles and dig into the big and or key purchases that really matter to you.

For the rest of it, what I try to do for my shortcut is to buy the least expensive item that has the specs or features I need, ignoring brand. That process has worked out quite well for me over the years and doesn't really take any longer than just buying the recognized brand. But if you want to use the brand shortcut instead, that's fine. Nothing wrong with that, as Ive said 5 times at least.

Ive noticed more activity on FB Marketplace than CL lately as well. Can't say there's any difference in the number of scammers and tire kickers though.



Which alternative is cheaper depends on your particular situation. There is no way to know without looking into it. I needed a 15 inch upgrade and mounting was expensive where I was living at that time. Lots of old boat trailers around so a ready market for used mounted trailer tires. So I was way ahead doing what I did. Probably that hadn't changed with time.

If you don't need new wheels, have a Walmart nearby that does cheap mounting, and you can buy the tires on their website and have them shipped to the store then that could well be cheaper.

In fact that's what I did a few weeks ago for my Highlander.

But I didn't buy high end brand name tires for it either. There was 3rd party data available so I got a Kumho model which got a good rating on CU at a good price point.   

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Sophistry??? I'm not the one who said: "My recommendation is to forget the brand. Ive taken a couple graduate level marketing courses. Buying anything by brand is a shortcut consumers afraid of making a mistake take when they don't have enough actual information to make an informed decision. Companies know that very well and play on those fears."  "Anything" is a pretty broad brush to denounce the idea of the possibility that some brands have higher quality than others.  It may actually be possible that some companies value their reputation in the marketplace and pay attention to high quality.  

I am also a fan of Craigslist and use it from time to time.  My point is that it isn't a panacea for selling used stuff.  I can't speak to FaceBook as I never look at it, though the last time I sold a washer on Craigslist, some acquaintances told me that there was more action on FaceBook.  I turned down the full price offers and requests for my email address.

We agree that Consumer Reports can be a good source of product information.  Usually, because I'm one cheap bastard, the paywall blocks me from using it as a resource.  Do they actually have a review of ST trailer tires in the last few years?  I saw one with Forbes, but turned out to be more marketing with links to tire vendors, which make me a little suspicious of their claims. 

I'm glad to hear that you found a good deal on replacement trailer tires many years ago.  Sometimes things change over time and it's always helpful to do a little homework than to take representations found on social media at face value, certainly including mine.  It isn't an issue of arguing with you, it's a matter of wanting to help out with answering a legitimate question about tire purchasing, which is one of the points of posting on this board.
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Good grief LA, please spare me the sophistry. You are not reading what I'm saying.

I said that unless you have 3rd party data demonstrating that one product from one brand is better than another then purchasing by brand is pointless. You can go to a 3rd party like Consumer Reports and evaluate a Fiat vs a BMW. You'd have to do that by model, not by overall brand, auto reliability can and does vary greatly by model within a brand. And of course you'd need to compare competitive models, I doubt anyone considering buying a BMW model would be looking at Fiats.

But for sure, Consumer Reports is a good 3rd party source for comparing reliability data between car models. I've not seen anything equivalent regarding trailer tire reliability and I've looked. Have you? It's all anechdote.

As for pricing, I wound up with installed 15 inch 2100 lb rated tires and wheels for significantly less than I would have paid for replacement "brand name" mounted 1750 lb tires. Hence my suggestion. I have no idea if that is true today or not, but I have confidence that hank*pod (who was specifically asking me if I had a Westlake alternative for Goodyear) or anyone else on this forum is smart enough to do that conparison shopping themselves for their specific situation, if so inclined. The fact that you took the time to do that yourself indicates to me that all you want to do is argue with me.

The brand argument isn't one I want to get into with you, yet again. I specifically said that it's just fine with me if someone wants to buy by brand, it's just not something I do, or would recommend. Enough on that already.

As for CL, if you don't like advertising there that's fine. There's also Facebook Marketplace and many other alternatives. I buy and sell stuff on both often, and know how to sift through the scammers and tire kickers, most of the time anyway. I like repurposing stuff someone else no longer needs, and vice versa, rather than sending stuff to recycling or the landfill. That's just me If CL or FB aren't your cup of tea, that's fully understandable and ok in my book.





   
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If I understand your argument, there is no difference in build and component quality between a Fiat and a BMW; it's all just marketing.  Hmmm?

Buying pre-mounted tires makes sense, provided there is a price and quality advantage over buying individual tires and time and expense of having them mounted.  I checked the price at the place you suggested for the tire in this thread and an aluminum rim that would be similar to the ones I have.  It's $228 for a bias ply tire and rim, plus $55 for UPS shipping or $50 for FedEx.  When I replaced he defective Westlake tire and the punctured Carlisle, I paid $110 each for the tires and about $15 for mounting and balancing each.  So, the total cost, not counting the time driving to and from the tire shop, was $158 cheaper per tire for a radial tire of a relatively known  quality vs. a bias ply tire of on uncertain quality.  There can be an additional complication if you only need one tire; you'd likely end up with different rims and tires on each side of the trailer.  

The idea of selling stuff on Craigs list can be good, provided you don't get inundated with scammers trying to get your personal information or trying to do a phony purchase for the asking price that turns out to be a grift.  Oh, and then the people who call to schedule a time to see the tires, then don't show up.....  Selling stuff with Craigslist ads can be a really good deal, but it is filled with time wasters and risks too.  
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